Liberals bring out the Knives

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I don't want him to resign.
I want him at the controls when this JT Doomsday Cult's Boeing 747 nose-dives into the dirt.
That way, his legacy as the worst fucking prime minister in the history of Canada will be thoroughly cemented.
Hard to beat his father . The charter is a recipe for government control

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Ron in Regina

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It won't matter. The Liberals are cooked either way. The ones currently revolting against Trudeau allowed him to do the damage he has caused. They're every bit as guilty as Trudeau. I hope Trudeau ends of Mulroneying the Liberals.
Speculation of a prorogation ramped up in Ottawa again on Tuesday, just ahead of Trudeau facing a caucus meeting where some Liberal MPs will demand (????) he step down. Trudeau is reluctant to go and may suspend the sitting of the House just five weeks after returning from the summer recess.
Long is one of three Liberal MPs — joined by Sean Casey and Ken McDonald — that have come forward to say they’ve signed a much talked about letter urging Trudeau to step down in the face of widespread unpopularity across Canada…& the other 20-40 haven’t.
The numbers have been speculated at between 20 and 60… but of course, anonymous leaks in the liberal party pegged the number at 24, who in the end submitted this letter to Trudeau, but pulled their names off of it in the nature of what?
Speaking in Toronto, Poilievre said he had conversations with “numerous” Liberal MPs, some of which said they were willing to vote non-confidence in Trudeau if the occasion presents itself again. That is an idea that was floated by Liberal MP Ken McDonald, from Newfoundland and Labrador, but was struck down by some of his colleagues.
Ok, in theory, but apparently very weakly, these 24 MP’s deadlined Trudeau with Oct 28th (tomorrow) & the Bloc deadlined Trudeau with the 29th (Tuesday). At this point, it’s impossible for Trudeau to capitulate to the Bloc. Bloc Leader Yves-François Blanchet has said his party will begin discussions with other opposition parties about toppling the minority government.

Let’s look at the numbers.
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(plus all both Green’s seats in their not official standing as whatever they are, 4 Independents, & 2 vacant seats)

119 Conservatives
33. Bloc
24. At least…disgruntled Liberals
176 seats

129. Liberal maybe that might support JT
25. NDP/Libs
4. Independents (=Libs)
2. All both Greens
160 seats

Doesn’t mean anything, but it’s interesting.
“I’m not going to send our government into an election. That really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me,” said Long.
Casey said that any step taken to put Poilievre in the Prime Minister’s Office is “dumb.”
Huh… these two quotes are from Friday in post #57 & it gives them some context.
"We're going to continue and have… great discussions about how I can best lead the Liberal party forward?,” Trudeau told reporters on Thursday, facing questions about an emotionally charged caucus meeting the day prior.

"We're focused on winning the next election, and we've got a great team around us to do it,” he said, backed by Liberal MPs.
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Adding to the pressure the prime minister is facing, the deadline for Trudeau to get back to his team was set for one day before the Bloc Quebecois’ ultimatum is set to expire.
The prime minister, whose presence at the party helm has stirred criticism and calls for his resignation from within his own ranks, is facing two deadlines in the coming days: one from Liberal MPs who want him to resign and another from the Bloc Québécois as they threaten to trigger an early election.
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Discontent with Trudeau's leadership has been mounting for months amid persistently dismal approval ratings and two recent byelection losses in long-time party strongholds.
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At a Liberal caucus meeting Wednesday, 24 MPs delivered a letter to the prime minister asking him to resign and giving him until Monday to respond.
Trudeau told these MPs that he would reflect on what they had to say during the three-hour meeting, but one day later (actually, maybe 18 hours), he told reporters he would stay on as Liberal leader.
 

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It's behind a paywall.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is fighting for his political life but that hasn’t dampened his government’s zeal to push forward yet another scheme to slay climate change. In what appears to be an unprecedented move of economic self-sabotage by a national government, Trudeau aims to impose a ceiling on oil and gas emissions in Canada.

The feds deny their new emissions framework (requiring the industry to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 35 to 38 per cent from 2019 levels by 2030) will cap oil and gas production in Canada. But a cadre of heavyweights — experts at the Conference Board of Canada, Deloitte, and S&P Global — have taken a close look at what’s on offer and disagree.

These experts see the feds’ proposed emissions cap as a de facto oil and gas production cap. And if the cap is imposed, Canadians should expect massive job losses and billions drained from our country’s economy.

“A big emissions cap would be a devastating blow,” asserts Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, “which is why we (the Alberta government) launched a multimillion-dollar campaign against it.”

Smith isn’t waiting around to see the outcome of Liberal caucus hand-wringing on leadership; she’s pushing back against Ottawa’s constitutional overreach and an economically misguided policy that targets a single sector: oil and gas.

Critics accuse Smith of pandering to her United Conservative Party (UCP) base in advance of her own leadership review in early November. Smith chuffs at the accusation. “What did I get elected on?” she asks rhetorically: “The Sovereignty Act. Pushing back against Ottawa. Keeping them in their lane and standing up for our energy sector.”

And if Trudeau thinks that’s going to stop after her leadership review, he’d be wise to think again. “I’m going to keep coming at them as long as they keep coming at us,” she declares. “They need to scrap the cap. They need to end their aspirations to get to net zero in our electricity grid.”

Her government is investing $7-million in a “Scrap the Cap” campaign — TV ads, online video, print and social media ads — to warn of the economic price to be paid, not just by Albertans but by all Canadians, if the feds legislate this cap.

“What we want is for them (the federal government) to scrap the cap altogether. That’s why we launched the campaign now,” the premier explains in a recent telephone conversation. “There’s a real danger that in the dying days of their administration, that they’re going to do something foolish that harms the entire Canadian economy. And we’re hoping that all of the MPs see that, and that their constituents see that, and they join us in this campaign.”

There’s no panic in Smith’s voice; she sounds resolute and matter-of-fact. I’m catching up with her as the UCP caucus prepares for next week’s opening of the fall legislative session in Alberta. Government MLAs have been meeting in Lethbridge to talk through the legislative agenda, Question Period strategy and all that, she explains, and in the evenings, they’ve been door knocking.

The upcoming UN Climate Change Conference in Baku, Azerbaijan (known as COP 29) could well be the final international climate platform for the Trudeau Liberals. In 2015, I attended COP 21 in Paris to share viewpoints of Albertans on energy transition; the Liberals had just been elected in Ottawa and the NDP in Alberta and I vividly recall their strutting announcements. It isn’t inconceivable Trudeau’s ministers will be tempted to use COP 29 as a platform to trot out yet more “unprecedented” and “bold” climate action.

“They always do this when they go into an international conference and want to show off their environmental credibility to a particular group of eco-activists,” Smith reports. “It’s almost like they’re in some bidding war to cause the most damage to the Canadian economy,” she elaborates, with a hint of impatience, “and they somehow think that that gives them credibility with the environmental activists who show up there.”

Naheed Nenshi, crowned leader of the provincial NDP in Alberta this June (but not yet elected as an MLA), is critical of the Smith government’s decision to launch the “Scrap the Cap” campaign. You fix the problem with Ottawa by “going to the table,” he argues. It’s a familiar trope but honestly, I wonder aloud, how did that strategy work out for his predecessor, Rachel Notley?

“I just don’t think that he understands the history of his own party,” Smith observes. “So — an emissions cap, an early phaseout of coal that cost billions of dollars, and a very unpopular carbon tax — that was what they (the provincial NDP) put on the table to try to buy some peace with Ottawa. And, what did we see happen?” she asks. “Cancellation of Energy East, cancellation of Northern Gateway, cancellation of Keystone XL, cancellation of Tech Frontier Mine, $150 billion worth of lost investment.”

“That’s what happens when you try to play nice with an Ottawa that wants to kill your industry,” she continues. “They take whatever you give them and then they go a step further.”

It’s a ghoulish time in politics, and not just in Canada. With all this pressure on Trudeau, does the premier worry he may lash out at Alberta?

“Politicians have two choices when they’re cornered and need support. They either accept it, exit gracefully, and then let the party that they lead pick up the pieces afterwards,” Smith responds. “We haven’t seen any of that,” she quips, then continues: “The other option is to go for broke and to just say, ‘You know what? I’m going to try to pass what I can and cause as much damage as I can on my way out, because then it’s the problem for the next guy.’”

The second choice is reckless, but it’s one Smith fears because Trudeau’s government has shown such disdain for the Canadian constitution and its division of powers, even disdain for our energy sector, she laments.

Smith’s asking the feds, politely but firmly, not to impose their de facto production cap. Her government’s aspiration is to achieve emissions reduction with technology and exports. Trudeau’s proposed cap will result in a loss of revenues to provincial and federal coffers, and that directly impacts consumers. “The Conference Board of Canada is saying it would cost regular families $419 per month,” the premier warns.

“Think about lower-income families,” Smith reflects, “that’s the thing I find so shocking, is not even having any sensitivity to the impact their decisions will have on real people.”

“The rest of the world recalibrated after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, after the turmoil in the Middle East, after the inflation crisis and the affordability crisis,” the premier explains. But in their quest to be seen as climate change trailblazers, the Trudeau government remains “absolutely tone-deaf to what is happening in the real lives of real people.”
 

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Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet is expected to announce Tuesday morning on Parliament Hill that his party will now be in “bring down the government” mode, a source told the National Post.

Blanchet has been very clear about his demands over the past month. If the Liberals wanted his party’s support until January, they had to “fully” pass in an “irrevocable and non-negotiable” manner a private member’s bill to increase Old Age Security (OAS) benefits for younger seniors (ages 65 to 74) by 10 per cent and a bill to protect supply management from international trade negotiations.

In both cases, the Tuesday deadline will be missed and the Bloc will now actively work to oust the Trudeau Liberals from power.

The Bloc’s decision will put the spotlight back on the NDP, which propped the Liberal government up for more than two years with a supply and confidence agreement before tearing up the deal in September.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, however, said Monday that his party was “not looking to trigger an election.”😳

A non-confidence motion must be passed by the Conservatives, the Bloc Québécois and the NDP to bring down the Liberal government. So far, the Conservatives have failed twice to pass non-confidence motions, with the Bloc and the NDP voting with the Liberals.
 

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At least two more members of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s caucus say his leadership should be put to a test through a secret ballot vote, as a deadline set by his detractors came and went on Monday.
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Totally Total Unity, Strong & United, a week after several MP’s tried to tell Trudeau he needs to go for the good of everyone. Trudeau was asked to respond by Oct. 28 to a letter signed by two dozen Liberal members of Parliament requesting that he step aside, which sources said was read aloud to him during last Wednesday’s caucus meeting.

Sources also confirmed to the National Post that the letter presented to Trudeau did not contain the names (???) of those who signed it, but of those who spoke during last week’s meeting. Upwards of 30 (?) Liberal MPs expressed a desire for him to resign.

Some of his MPs now say for Trudeau to turn the page, he should allow the matter to be put to a vote, because Strongly United!!

“Given the fact that there are quite a number of MPs, quite a number of Liberals and Canadians who feel that someone else should lead the Liberal party into the next election, I think the way to move forward for the sake of party unity is to hold a secret ballot vote,” Ontario MP Yvan Baker told reporters on his way into the House of Commons.

Montreal MP Sameer Zuberi echoed that call: “A secret ball will put this to rest.”

Unlike the Opposition Conservatives, which adopted the Reform Act after the 2021 federal election, the Liberal caucus does not have a mechanism to remove a leader.
This is a marked difference from the Conservative party, where all it takes to trigger a leadership review is an agreement signed by 20 per cent of the caucus.

And it would be easy for the Liberals to do similarly. All their caucus would have to do is adopt the provisions of the Reform Act, a 2015 Act of Parliament that is effectively a pre-written package of measures to give MPs more control over their party.

But first, a caucus has to vote to follow Reform Act rules — something only the Bloc Québécois and the Conservatives have ever done because Liberals & democracy & openness & transparency, etc…
Trudeau said again he will be the Liberal leader in the next election. He said the caucus conversation was a good one and despite the disagreements, his party has one common goal. “Having seen, unfortunately, decades of Liberal disagreements and infighting, there was actually total unity (TOTAL UNITY!!!) in the caucus about how important it is to make sure the Liberal party wins the next election,” he said.
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Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre thinks it would be “not fair” for the Liberals to oust Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now, as in his view they are “morally obligated” to keep him??? Huh?

Poilievre’s comments come ahead of another potentially significant Liberal caucus meeting Wednesday, during which members are expected to continue discussions around the party’s leadership and the next election.

When asked whether a change in Liberal leadership would affect the Conservative’s election strategy, Poilievre said it wouldn’t, but “it's not fair for them to just put on a new coat of paint to pretend like they're something different."

“Let’s not kid ourselves. All the Liberal MPs went along with the carbon tax,” Poilievre added. “They're all to blame for his catastrophic record, and they should all have the integrity to stand by him.”

Poilievre said the Liberals should not “slink away” from their record, and that “they should run on it with Justin Trudeau as the leader.”

There’s been mounting dissention within the Liberal caucus for weeks, culminating in a longer-than-typical meeting last Wednesday, during which a number of MPs told Trudeau he needed to reflect on his future at the helm of the party.

Many then expressed disappointment when he told reporters less than 24 hours later that he wasn’t going anywhere, and intends to lead the party into the next election.

Trudeau’s short reflection time did not quash caucus concerns. Rather, a growing number of Liberal MPs are now calling for a secret ballot vote to truly put the issue to rest.
 

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It is certainly more advantageous to the Conservatives to fight Trudeau in the next election. They can pin the blame directly on their opponent without the argument 'it was the guy before me' even though the next guy likely will have been a part of the cabinet.
 
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Why is Pierre Pollievre riding so high in the poll?

Because people have had it with the race-baiting, virtue signaling, pronouns, self-entitlement, censorship, Woke-idiots, terrorism, tent cities, free drugs, and get out of jail free cards for violent criminals, corruption, but most of all, those that threw the dice on Justin Trudeau's Doomsday Cult want this fucking obtuse narcissist and his cult gone.

Pollievre will be a breath of fresh air.
In fact, it will be liberating after being held hostage by this 1984 Twat Waffle Wannabe.
 

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A growing chorus of Liberal MPs called for a secret vote on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s future after his cabinet ministers tried to shut down the demands and argued it was time their party end the in-fighting.

On Tuesday, six more Liberal MPs added their “anonymous” non-names to the list “that may or may not actually exist” of people who are publicly (but still anonymously) demanding their caucus cast a vote on the Prime Minister’s future as leader.

Four other MPs had already made the request in the wake of Mr. Trudeau saying last week that he would stay put despite the concerns raised by dozens of MPs who fear an electoral wipeout in the next election if Mr. Trudeau remains leader.

But their colleagues in cabinet and others on the Liberal backbench don’t all agree. Ministers argued Tuesday that such a vote would be against the party’s own rules, which leave the choice of leader to registered Liberals and not elected MPs.

“There’s lots of things I want in life I don’t get like not having to vacation with my parents, with all due respect, they don’t get to dictate to the rest of caucus, nor to the party,” said Health Minister Mark Holland about the MPs requesting a secret vote.

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland maintained Tuesday that despite the dissent from some in her party, “the vast majority” still support the Prime Minister.

Some MPs have cast doubt on just how widespread the support for Mr. Trudeau is. Two MPs pointed to comments such as Ms. Freeland’s as more justification for a secret vote, questioning what the harm would be if the support for the Prime Minister is as widespread as ministers say, ‘cuz strongly united in a unitedly strong way!!
Outside the House of Commons on Tuesday, Mr. Casey said he doesn’t believe the Prime Minister would survive a secret vote, shhhhhhh….🤫
 

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A growing chorus of Liberal MPs called for a secret vote on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s future after his cabinet ministers tried to shut down the demands and argued it was time their party end the in-fighting.

On Tuesday, six more Liberal MPs added their “anonymous” non-names to the list “that may or may not actually exist” of people who are publicly (but still anonymously) demanding their caucus cast a vote on the Prime Minister’s future as leader.

Four other MPs had already made the request in the wake of Mr. Trudeau saying last week that he would stay put despite the concerns raised by dozens of MPs who fear an electoral wipeout in the next election if Mr. Trudeau remains leader.

But their colleagues in cabinet and others on the Liberal backbench don’t all agree. Ministers argued Tuesday that such a vote would be against the party’s own rules, which leave the choice of leader to registered Liberals and not elected MPs.

“There’s lots of things I want in life I don’t get like not having to vacation with my parents, with all due respect, they don’t get to dictate to the rest of caucus, nor to the party,” said Health Minister Mark Holland about the MPs requesting a secret vote.

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland maintained Tuesday that despite the dissent from some in her party, “the vast majority” still support the Prime Minister.

Some MPs have cast doubt on just how widespread the support for Mr. Trudeau is. Two MPs pointed to comments such as Ms. Freeland’s as more justification for a secret vote, questioning what the harm would be if the support for the Prime Minister is as widespread as ministers say, ‘cuz strongly united in a unitedly strong way!!
Outside the House of Commons on Tuesday, Mr. Casey said he doesn’t believe the Prime Minister would survive a secret vote, shhhhhhh….🤫
On election day, I am going to grab a 12 of something Western, maybe Pilsner or Original 6, and then roll up about six joints.
It won't be as good as last year's Stanley Cup Playoffs.
But it will be great fun watching these commie pricks collapse in on themselves.
 

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On election day, I am going to grab a 12 of something Western, maybe Pilsner or Original 6, and then roll up about six joints.
It won't be as good as last year's Stanley Cup Playoffs.
But it will be great fun watching these commie pricks collapse in on themselves.
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That’s the position of cabinet ministers on Tuesday as questions swirl around Parliament Hill over the future of embattled Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government.

Huh….sure sounds settled, like, in a strong & united way.

The Tories continue to enjoy 43% of the decided vote, with the Liberals in a statistical dead heat with the NDP at around 20%.

Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said he saw little point in a secret ballot, as he considers the matter closed.

“We had a pretty good conversation last week, and we’ll probably have some more conversations going forward,” he told reporters.
If this is “united as ever,” what kind of dumpster fire was it before the MP’s almost evolved to have spines?
 
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That’s the position of cabinet ministers on Tuesday as questions swirl around Parliament Hill over the future of embattled Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government.

Huh….sure sounds settled, like, in a strong & united way.

The Tories continue to enjoy 43% of the decided vote, with the Liberals in a statistical dead heat with the NDP at around 20%.

Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said he saw little point in a secret ballot, as he considers the matter closed.

“We had a pretty good conversation last week, and we’ll probably have some more conversations going forward,” he told reporters.
If this is “united as ever,” what kind of dumpster fire was it before the MP’s almost evolved to have spines?
John reminds me of Squeaky Fromme too.