Liberals are considering a guaranteed income for all Canadians
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While I realize it would be very easy to guess something like that, I still think it's polite to ask. (You ever read snippets in the news about a guy who's lived in a cardboard box and died with a $million in the bank.) Looks can be deceiving.
In the last 6 months I was able to work I earned $80k. ($20k was a bonus from the previous year) I doubt either of you would last a month in the Arctic which is where I was for a good portion of the other 6 months.
No gerr it isn't, That is why somebody with an income in the house gets to claim them as an expense at tax time. Considering how you turned out your mom should have hired a qualified nanny.
Why do I sense a negative attitude from you. If you have to compete against 1.4 other people, and someone else gets the job, how many times would you have to interview before you get the job? Are you scared that it will always be you to lose the job offer? Man, you have a terrible outlook of Canadian job markets.
I look at 13% unemployement, and I see 87% employement and just under 1% of all jobs are up for grabs at any time.
Those are EXCELLENT odds!
I didn't say that gerr, you are projecting again.
Does a housewife get a cheque every few weeks, does she pay income tax on that money and fill out a tax form at the end of every years and qualify for EI should the marriage fail? No to all those points.
If paid by the hour she would be getting 8 hours straight pay and about 8 hours overtime each and every day. So much for the 'bread winners' income being able to support a family under those conditions.
Does a housewife get a cheque every few weeks, does she pay income tax on that money and fill out a tax form at the end of every years and qualify for EI should the marriage fail? No to all those points.
If paid by the hour she would be getting 8 hours straight pay and about 8 hours overtime each and every day. So much for the 'bread winners' income being able to support a family under those conditions.
How many resumes do they fill out a week? The odds are I am ahead of them as far as even looking for a 'job' that brings money into the house-hold. With no children to raise should her 'wages' be below the %15/hr?
Why not pursue farmers who are big into breaking child labor laws when there are lots of qualified people on EI that could do the required tasks ands some might do it for room and board which is what the children are basically being charged.
Why not pursue farmers who are big into breaking child labor laws when there are lots of qualified people on EI that could do the required tasks ands some might do it for room and board which is what the children are basically being charged.
A Canadian City Once Eliminated Poverty And Nearly Everyone Forgot About It
On a December afternoon, Frances Amy Richardson took a break from her quilting class to reflect on a groundbreaking experiment she took part in 40 years earlier.
“Well, that was quite a few years ago,” she said. “There was a lot of people that really benefitted from it.”
Between 1974 and 1979, residents of a small Manitoba city were selected to be subjects in a project that ensured basic annual incomes for everyone. For five years, monthly cheques were delivered to the poorest residents of Dauphin, Man. – no strings attached.
And for five years, poverty was completely eliminated.
The program was dubbed “Mincome” – a neologism of “minimum income” – and it was the first of its kind in North America. It stood out from similar American projects at the time because it didn’t shut out seniors and the disabled from qualification.
The project’s original intent was to evaluate if giving cheques to the working poor, enough to top-up their incomes to a living wage, would kill people’s motivation to work. It didn’t.
But the Conservative government that took power provincially in 1977 – and federally in 1979 – had no interest in implementing the project more widely. Researchers were told to pack up the project’s records into 1,800 boxes and place them in storage.
A final report was never released."
An interview and brief history of Mrs Richardson follows but it is the following that really caught my interest.
Dr Evelyn Forget is the researcher at University of Manitoba credited for tracking down those 1,800 dusty boxes of Mincome raw data that sat forgotten for 30 years.
She first heard about the project in an undergraduate economics class at the University of Toronto in the ‘70s. Mincome cheques were still being delivered when her professors praised the experiment as “really important,” saying it was going to “revolutionize” the delivery of social programs. It stuck with her.
In 2005, she began looking for the Mincome data. After a strenuous search, she located the records at the provincial archives in Winnipeg. She was the first to look at them since they were packed up in 1979.
“[Archivists] were in the process of wondering whether, in fact, they could throw them out because they took up a lot of space and nobody seemed interested in it,” said Forget.
It didn’t take her long to realize the plethora of files could never be funneled into any sort of statistical analysis. There were questionnaires with circled answers. And data on one family could be scattered between countless boxes.
It also didn’t help that there were no labels or index.
Because of an ethics board policy, Forget couldn’t directly contact the people whose data she was now in possession of – the participants had consented to speak to the original researchers only. Instead, she used a guest spot on a local radio station to invite Mincome recipients to call her.
One woman called to say she remembered the Mincome project. In the early 1970s, she was a single mother raising two girls on welfare – then called Mothers’ Allowance. She said she had always been treated respectfully, but there was one thing case workers said that bothered her.
“She said she wanted to get some job training. They told her to go home and take care of her kids and they would take care of her,” explained Forget.
When the opportunity to transfer from Mothers’ Allowance to Mincome came along, the woman took it. With no restrictions on how she could spend the money she was given, she signed up for training and got a part-time job at the local library which eventually became a full-time career.
“So when I talked to her, she was incredibly proud of having modelled a different kind of life for her daughters,” Forget said. The retired librarian invited Forget to visit her home. Inside, she was shown pictures from her two girls’ graduations, mother beaming with pride.
In 2011, Forget released a paper distilling how Mincome affected people’s health using census data. She found overall hospitalization rates (for accidents, injuries, and mental health diagnoses) dropped in the group who received basic income supplements.
By giving a community’s poorest residents enough to lift their incomes above the poverty line, there was a measurable impact on the health care system. It’s this kind of logic that Forget hopes will propel the idea of basic income forward, four decades later.
“I’m enough of an optimist to believe that eventually we’re going to end up there. I think we already have part of the program in place,” said Forget, referring to existing supplements including the Guaranteed Income Supplement for seniors and the National Child Benefit.
“The one gap in the system right now is the working poor: people working in insecure and precarious jobs.”
A look at what such a system might look today follows. It is a long article but is full of detail on the Mincome worked in Dauphin. Quite frankly I think there is a lot to be said for the idea.
A Canadian City Once Eliminated Poverty And Nearly Everyone Forgot About It
Also,
Minimum Income: What You Should Know About The Idea That Could Revolutionize The 21st Century
On a December afternoon, Frances Amy Richardson took a break from her quilting class to reflect on a groundbreaking experiment she took part in 40 years earlier.
“Well, that was quite a few years ago,” she said. “There was a lot of people that really benefitted from it.”
Between 1974 and 1979, residents of a small Manitoba city were selected to be subjects in a project that ensured basic annual incomes for everyone. For five years, monthly cheques were delivered to the poorest residents of Dauphin, Man. – no strings attached.
And for five years, poverty was completely eliminated.
The program was dubbed “Mincome” – a neologism of “minimum income” – and it was the first of its kind in North America. It stood out from similar American projects at the time because it didn’t shut out seniors and the disabled from qualification.
The project’s original intent was to evaluate if giving cheques to the working poor, enough to top-up their incomes to a living wage, would kill people’s motivation to work. It didn’t.
But the Conservative government that took power provincially in 1977 – and federally in 1979 – had no interest in implementing the project more widely. Researchers were told to pack up the project’s records into 1,800 boxes and place them in storage.
A final report was never released."
An interview and brief history of Mrs Richardson follows but it is the following that really caught my interest.
Dr Evelyn Forget is the researcher at University of Manitoba credited for tracking down those 1,800 dusty boxes of Mincome raw data that sat forgotten for 30 years.
She first heard about the project in an undergraduate economics class at the University of Toronto in the ‘70s. Mincome cheques were still being delivered when her professors praised the experiment as “really important,” saying it was going to “revolutionize” the delivery of social programs. It stuck with her.
In 2005, she began looking for the Mincome data. After a strenuous search, she located the records at the provincial archives in Winnipeg. She was the first to look at them since they were packed up in 1979.
“[Archivists] were in the process of wondering whether, in fact, they could throw them out because they took up a lot of space and nobody seemed interested in it,” said Forget.
It didn’t take her long to realize the plethora of files could never be funneled into any sort of statistical analysis. There were questionnaires with circled answers. And data on one family could be scattered between countless boxes.
It also didn’t help that there were no labels or index.
Because of an ethics board policy, Forget couldn’t directly contact the people whose data she was now in possession of – the participants had consented to speak to the original researchers only. Instead, she used a guest spot on a local radio station to invite Mincome recipients to call her.
One woman called to say she remembered the Mincome project. In the early 1970s, she was a single mother raising two girls on welfare – then called Mothers’ Allowance. She said she had always been treated respectfully, but there was one thing case workers said that bothered her.
“She said she wanted to get some job training. They told her to go home and take care of her kids and they would take care of her,” explained Forget.
When the opportunity to transfer from Mothers’ Allowance to Mincome came along, the woman took it. With no restrictions on how she could spend the money she was given, she signed up for training and got a part-time job at the local library which eventually became a full-time career.
“So when I talked to her, she was incredibly proud of having modelled a different kind of life for her daughters,” Forget said. The retired librarian invited Forget to visit her home. Inside, she was shown pictures from her two girls’ graduations, mother beaming with pride.
In 2011, Forget released a paper distilling how Mincome affected people’s health using census data. She found overall hospitalization rates (for accidents, injuries, and mental health diagnoses) dropped in the group who received basic income supplements.
By giving a community’s poorest residents enough to lift their incomes above the poverty line, there was a measurable impact on the health care system. It’s this kind of logic that Forget hopes will propel the idea of basic income forward, four decades later.
“I’m enough of an optimist to believe that eventually we’re going to end up there. I think we already have part of the program in place,” said Forget, referring to existing supplements including the Guaranteed Income Supplement for seniors and the National Child Benefit.
“The one gap in the system right now is the working poor: people working in insecure and precarious jobs.”
A look at what such a system might look today follows. It is a long article but is full of detail on the Mincome worked in Dauphin. Quite frankly I think there is a lot to be said for the idea.
A Canadian City Once Eliminated Poverty And Nearly Everyone Forgot About It
Also,
Minimum Income: What You Should Know About The Idea That Could Revolutionize The 21st Century
Canada moving forward with Guaranteed Income
The general concept is that the government would ensure that all citizens have enough income to cover basic needs. One option for such a program is for the government to set a basic amount, such as $18,000 a year, and people whose income is less could receive payments to bring them up to that level.
The federal Liberals have committed to a poverty-reduction strategy; the cabinet member responsible, Minister for Families, Children and Social Development Jean-Yves Duclos, is a leading economist who has studied basic-income options for years, although the party has not explicitly committed to the idea.
A spokesperson for Mr. Duclos said the Minister is monitoring the debate.
The idea was tested briefly in Manitoba in the 1970s and is gaining momentum in Europe.
Ontario provided few details on its plans, other than to say it will work with communities, researchers and others this year on how to design the test.
Advocates of the concept say Ottawa should work with the province, given that the two levels of government have overlapping responsibilities when it comes to providing programs for low-income Canadians.
“We’re absolutely delighted that we’re seeing this forward movement on the idea of a basic-income guarantee,” said Ian Culbert, executive director of the Canadian Public Health Association, a non-profit advocacy group that has been campaigning in favour of a basic income. “It’s a perfect opportunity for the federal government to partner with Ontario to see how they could work together and provide that as a model for other jurisdictions.”
Ottawa should work with Ontario on guaranteed-income strategy: advocates - The Globe and Mail
The general concept is that the government would ensure that all citizens have enough income to cover basic needs. One option for such a program is for the government to set a basic amount, such as $18,000 a year, and people whose income is less could receive payments to bring them up to that level.
The federal Liberals have committed to a poverty-reduction strategy; the cabinet member responsible, Minister for Families, Children and Social Development Jean-Yves Duclos, is a leading economist who has studied basic-income options for years, although the party has not explicitly committed to the idea.
A spokesperson for Mr. Duclos said the Minister is monitoring the debate.
The idea was tested briefly in Manitoba in the 1970s and is gaining momentum in Europe.
Ontario provided few details on its plans, other than to say it will work with communities, researchers and others this year on how to design the test.
Advocates of the concept say Ottawa should work with the province, given that the two levels of government have overlapping responsibilities when it comes to providing programs for low-income Canadians.
“We’re absolutely delighted that we’re seeing this forward movement on the idea of a basic-income guarantee,” said Ian Culbert, executive director of the Canadian Public Health Association, a non-profit advocacy group that has been campaigning in favour of a basic income. “It’s a perfect opportunity for the federal government to partner with Ontario to see how they could work together and provide that as a model for other jurisdictions.”
Ottawa should work with Ontario on guaranteed-income strategy: advocates - The Globe and Mail
Re: Canada moving forward with Guaranteed Income
Stop spamming, we have a threads on this topic already.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...berals-considering-guaranteed-income-all.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...66-andrew-coyne-guarantee-minimum-income.html
Stop spamming, we have a threads on this topic already.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...berals-considering-guaranteed-income-all.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...66-andrew-coyne-guarantee-minimum-income.html
Re: Canada moving forward with Guaranteed Income
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that wouldn't work too good! Who is going to supply the money?
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that wouldn't work too good! Who is going to supply the money?