Liberal phobia and the cause….

SirJosephPorter

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I wonder if it would be worthwhile to send a little checklist like this to every MP and have them score themselves? They might start to get a picture of how the some of the public feels about their performances. Then again, maybe not! :-|

You mean send it to every Liberal MP, don't you? Conservative MPs are of course paragons of virtue, Godly men (after all, Conservative Party is the party of God).
 

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You have a point there, as far as economy is concerned. There is one big difference of course, Liberals would not have given tax cuts to the rich and frittered away all the surplus. As a result, they would be running a much smaller deficit than Harper is running today.

But other than that, you are right, there is not much difference between the two. But the reason for that is that Harper has moved to the centre. We don’t know if he really belongs to the centre right or he is really a far right politician who is governing from centre right only because it is expedient (he has only a minority).

Why would a sane person be averse to tax cuts to the most heavily taxed members of society? Wouldn't it be natural to give bigger cuts to those who are taxed the most than those who are taxed the least. Take the person at the bottom of the wage scale who only pays perhaps a $thousand or $two a year- how would you propose giving them a bigger tax than someone who is pay $100 thousand a year?
 

SirJosephPorter

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I see that the Conservatives have a 4 point lead over the Liberals in the latest poll.

At some point, the Liberals will find a leader. Until they do, we'll have the status quo.

That means it is a statistical dead heat. Also, I don't know if we are looking at the same poll, but most of the lead is in BC. That probably is a temporary bump due to Olympics. The race is dead heat. The acolytes' dream of the Promised Land of majority remains as elusive as ever.
 

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" But the reason for that is that Harper has moved to the centre. "

So why are you labelling "accolytes" of Harper "right wing" instead of "centrist"?
 

SirJosephPorter

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Actually Harper is very astute, borrowing money while interest rates are low and reinvesting it when costs are low (relatively speaking- inflation is close to zero right now)

Quite so, he is running the biggest deficit in Canadian history, the man must be a genius indeed. Then I assume you must think that Bush was a super genius, almost a Demi God, he ran up even a bigger deficit than your Messiah did.
 

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Why would a sane person be averse to tax cuts to the most heavily taxed members of society? Wouldn't it be natural to give bigger cuts to those who are taxed the most than those who are taxed the least. Take the person at the bottom of the wage scale who only pays perhaps a $thousand or $two a year- how would you propose giving them a bigger tax than someone who is pay $100 thousand a year?
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-culture/90635-bible-belts-canuckville-7.html#post1234174
See post 125
 

SirJosephPorter

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Keeping right on the topic here, that does raise the possibility of an another addition to the list...
Possible causes of Liberal phobia:
No. 28 - An uncanny ability to expend energy pursuing a course of action that is entirely pointless.

Now here you may have a point. It may be pointless to try convince a conservative that deficit is bad for the economy. A conservative thinks that money to finance the deficit just comes, falls out of the sky, so to speak. A conservative thinks that it is perfectly OK to rack up huge debt for our children and our grandchildren. But I keep trying.
 

SirJosephPorter

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As has been stated, the single mother doesn't pay taxes, she spends all of her money on necessities of life, so she won't be paying the price anyway.

Sure she will. What is the surest consequence of huge deficit, uge debt? High unemployment, she may lose her job. High inflation, she will have difficulty making ends meet. Cuts in government services, which will affect her adversely (if government cuts back on day care subsidy for her, she may have to quit her job and go on welfare).

Huge debt and huge deficit always affect poor more than the rich.
 
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SirJosephPorter

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Why would a sane person be averse to tax cuts to the most heavily taxed members of society? Wouldn't it be natural to give bigger cuts to those who are taxed the most than those who are taxed the least. Take the person at the bottom of the wage scale who only pays perhaps a $thousand or $two a year- how would you propose giving them a bigger tax than someone who is pay $100 thousand a year?

I am averse to tax cuts to anybody in the present conditions, when we are running huge deficits. Also I am averse to giving tax cuts at the expense of getting rid of the surplus, like Harper did.

Tax cuts must not come at the expense of budget deficit, that is liberal thinking. Tax cuts at any cost and hang the deficit, that is conservative thinking.
 

SirJosephPorter

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" But the reason for that is that Harper has moved to the centre. "

So why are you labelling "accolytes" of Harper "right wing" instead of "centrist"?

Because that is how they come across to me. They are opposed to any gun control, they are opposed to minimum wage, they want to bring back the death penalty, they want to privatize health care system. Those are very much far right position, at least here in Canada, and not centre right.
 

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No, No No, they are not far right anything. They are just how normal center of the road people think. They like to take care of themselves. Nothing left or right about it. You don't speak for Canada anymore than I speak for the United States. :smile:


ref: #951
 

lone wolf

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Sure she will. What is the surest consequence of huge deficit, huge debt? High unemployment, she may lose her job. High inflation, she will have difficulty making ends meet. Cuts in government services, which will affect her adversely (if government cuts back on day care subsidy for her, she may have to quit her job and go on welfare).

Huge debt and huge deficit always affect poor more than the rich.

Apparently you missed the clue. If the "single mother" - or anyone for that matter - has no taxable income, then they are in a low-paying job or on some form of assistance. One would think someone who claims to be advocating for the poor would know that.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Here add this to it. It might take me a bit, but I have an updated version on disk around here somewhere.
And guess what? the record is 69 years Liberals to 20 years Conservatives although your litany of sh!t in the Liberal past, prior to 2004 is looking for politicians of no wrong doing. We did confirm the fact that the Devil who can do the math gets the job.

$100 Billion onto the federal debt is dismal math, when in fact they told Canadians they can do the job, and instead they earned the name PANSIES, LIARS, CHEATS AND HYPOCRITES .:p:p:p
 

DurkaDurka

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Because that is how they come across to me. They are opposed to any gun control, they are opposed to minimum wage, they want to bring back the death penalty, they want to privatize health care system. Those are very much far right position, at least here in Canada, and not centre right.

That's a pretty broad assessment of conservatives in Canada. Many conservatives I have spoken to are of the fiscal variety and not so much social.
 

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Sure she will. What is the surest consequence of huge deficit, uge debt? High unemployment, she may lose her job. High inflation, she will have difficulty making ends meet. Cuts in government services, which will affect her adversely (if government cuts back on day care subsidy for her, she may have to quit her job and go on welfare).

Huge debt and huge deficit always affect poor more than the rich.

Cuts in government services? Isn't that a Liberal concept? One that you have supported here as a way of dealing with a deficit? In other words, the Liberal solution is to hurt the poor single mother.
 

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That's a pretty broad assessment of conservatives in Canada. Many conservatives I have spoken to are of the fiscal variety and not so much social.

Ah but you see, in SJP's world there is no room for moderates or people who embrace some ideas but not the entire platform of a specific party. As much as he used to deride amd denigrate George W. Bush's "with us or against us" mentality, it is very much the one he operates under. He continually berates "conservatives" for their intolerance but he sterotypes and pigeonholes anyone who refuses to accept his brand of Liberalism and worship at the altar of the Liberal God P.E. Trudeau.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Actually Harper is very astute, borrowing money while interest rates are low and reinvesting it when costs are low (relatively speaking- inflation is close to zero right now)

.Harper is surfing on the wave of low interest rates due to the world economic problem, and guess what, that is a lucky chance for Canadians, had inters rates been high looking at his dismal record in two minority terms, borrowing during high rates Canada could have seen the next 20 years running deficits, he did nothing to have interest rates this low, keep believing B S and further confirming that you love mismanagement, because u were given a bone with no meat to keep you from making noise, while he gets away with idiocy economics. But lucky time is running out for his pack.:p
 

Socrates the Greek

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I see, so Emerson was to blame and Harper was not? And you still claim that you are not into hero worship, that Harper is not your Messiah?

Anyway, you should show more respect for Emerson, now that he is a Conservative. Your Messiah may not approve you criticizing him.


Good day S JP, he not only confirms hero worship, he also confirms that Emerson being a corrupt Liberal, Harper over looks a bank robed Liberal on ethics.
What is that say for Harper? a total opportunist, had Emerson not crossed the floor Harper would have been kept out of Vancouver center, which would have altered the numbers, and when in fact the people in Vancouver center did not vote Conservative. Talking about people that worship crap for reality.......
 

SirJosephPorter

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No, No No, they are not far right anything. They are just how normal center of the road people think. They like to take care of themselves. Nothing left or right about it. You don't speak for Canada anymore than I speak for the United States. :smile:


ref: #951

Sorry ironsides, but the policies I outlined in that post, banning gay marriage, privatizing health care system, bringing back death penalty, abolishing minimum wage, are considered distinctly right wing in Canada, there is nothing centre right about them. Any party leader who advocates one or more of these policies will be committing political suicide here in Canada.

Why, Harper wouldn't touch any of them with a ten metre pole.