Liberal phobia and the cause….

[JLM]

Quoting SirJosephPorter He frittered away all the surplus in giving tax cuts mainly benefiting the rich. Like the GST cut. Soon after he came to office, there was no budget surplus.​

Thanks to Mr Harper I now pay 6% tax but used to pay over 30%. I can make that money anywhere in the world, bring it home and then pay the lowest taxes in the world.

How can that be any good for my country and my countrymen?

The thing S.J. fails to realize is that surplus came from out of the people's pockets in teh first place and it's only proper it's put back there. HOw can your low taxes be good for your country and countrymen?????????? Very simple, when you spend that money you are creating employment for your countrymen, who quite often are in turn hire other countrymen and they are all paying taxes (much to some people's delight)

 

[petros]

The thing S.J. fails to realize is that surplus came from out of the people's pockets in teh first place and it's only proper it's put back there. HOw can your low taxes be good for your country and countrymen?????????? Very simple, when you spend that money you are creating employment for your countrymen, who quite often are in turn hire other countrymen and they are all paying taxes (much to some people's delight)

JLM ask this to SJP
Can you have a $10,000 pile with $5000 to spend in budget but in the end spend $6000 and claim to be over budget. True or False? Are you in the hole $1000 or just have a $1000 deficit and $4000 of you total pile remaining?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Under Liberal government I always lost money either through income tax or investment tax
Under Conservative government I always made money.

Since being retired my income has been pretty much fixed and cashing the same amount of RRSP's every year

Three years ago I received a $300tax refund last year and this year...with the same income and the same tax paid I receive $2000 last year and $2500 this year and they say that conservatives only give tax breaks to the rich......

Will Harper get my vote at the next election?...Hell Yes

So you received a check for 2500 $ last year? Bully for you. Do you know how Harper got that money? Perhaps you don’t. Or maybe you do, but choose to ignore it.

Well, let me explain to you in simple terms. Harper borrowed it from your children and your grandchildren. When he came to office, there was no deficit, now he is running a deficit of more than 30 billion $. That means that he has borrowed more than 1000 $ from each and every Canadian, including infants.

So let us say you have two kids and three grandkids. That means Harper has borrowed more than 5000 $ from them and out of that he gave you 2500 $. Wasn’t that generous of him? The guy must be an economic genius.

You say you are going to vote Conservative and that is your right. Maybe in his next term, Harper will borrow more than 10,000 $ from your kids and grandkids and return 5000 $ out of that to you. Wouldn’t that be neat? Think how much better off you will be compared to today.

You didn’t’ get any money from government when Liberals were in power, because Liberals do not believe in borrowing from your children and your grandchildren. They believe in creating favorable business environment so that you can earn your own money.

That is why you had to pay investment tax when liberals were in power, you had investment income. The reason you don’t pay it now is that you haven’t investment income. If you had any investment, do you really think Harper is going to let you keep all of it without paying any investment tax?

But you are mad at liberals because you had to pay investment tax on your investment income. You like Conservatives because you did not have any investment income after they came to power. Talk of deluded.

 

[TenPenny]

But I thought, according to SJP, that rich people should pay more in taxes.

So, unless my kids are going to be rich, they aren't the ones who will pay it back.

In other words, the money was borrowed from future rich kids.

 

[petros]

But I thought, according to SJP, that rich people should pay more in taxes.

So, unless my kids are going to be rich, they aren't the ones who will pay it back.

In other words, the money was borrowed from future rich kids.

Hey I was a dumbass paying 34% like the rest of you until I learn the loopholes. Now I pay 6%

 

[petros]

the money was borrowed from future rich kids

Money is just paper. Our kids and grand kids have to hpay that back with blood sweat and tears just like I've had to pay for the generation before me all my ****ing working life.

 

[TenPenny]

Hey I was a dumbass paying 34% like the rest of you until I learn the loopholes. Now I pay 6%

Oh, good, another one. Are you going to regale us with tales of how perfect your son is, too?

 

[JLM]

But I thought, according to SJP, that rich people should pay more in taxes.

So, unless my kids are going to be rich, they aren't the ones who will pay it back.

In other words, the money was borrowed from future rich kids.

He's just flapping his gums, not realizing that most of us can see through the B.S. Yesterday he was saying the poor should pay more in taxes and couldn't appreciate the fact their G.S.T. had been cut from 7% to 5%, exactly the same as the cut to the rich person's tax. I'm just afraid if he doesn't shut up, Harper will get back in with a majority.....................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[petros]

Oh, good, another one. Are you going to regale us with tales of how perfect your son is, too?

I have a daughter but the only thing I'll regale is how to end the tax myth if you'll listen.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

How many jobs has the guy who spends $200,000 supported all of which pay income tax which by far offsets any money saved on the G.S.T. Besides the rich guy deserves to save on the G.S.T. and as you pointed out the poor guys doesn't pay a lot anyway, so what would be his bitch? And what's yours? So WHERE did Harper fritter the money away? What he has put back in taxpayers pockets doesn't count - that is a good thing. You should check up on what happened to King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette for talking exactly the way you do.

I see, so you agree with me that the rich billionaire saves 2000 $ on GST, while a single mother on minimum wage saves very little? Good, at least we are in agreement. What you are saying is that it doesn't bother you, that the rich guy deserves the 2000 $ while the single mother on minimum wage deserves nothing. That is typical conservative thinking. We have already established that you are a conservative.

And how do you know that he has supported any jobs? You assume too much. He could be one of the idle rich.

And where did Harper fritter the money away? I know many conservatives don't understand the concept of budget deficit, so let me explain to you in simple terms.

When Harper came to power, he had a surplus of 10 to 12 billion dollars. After he was done giving the tax cuts to the rich, he had no surplus left, he was simply running a balanced budget., with a surplus of less than 1 billion $. Now, to you that may be great economics, to you maybe Harper is an economic genius. To me, that was frittering away all the surplus.

 

[petros]

If I make $100,000 and pay 6%, and you make $100,000 but pay 32% how can 1% GST amount to more than just a fart in the wind?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That kind of logical thinking only works if you don't consider that tax money is thought of as an entitlement for the government by the Liberals. They think tax cuts are bad because they cut into the ever-increasing government income, and that's required to keep growing so that they (government) can keep "giving" more things to more people. I know, it's a bizarre concept but if you listen carefully to the language used by those who rant and rave so much about government, you'll see the clues. Or maybe I should say the "cluelessness." And that's why the phobia continues to get worse.

Wrong. liberals think that tax cuts are bad because they lead to budget deficits. Conservatives are not bothered by budget deficit, I don't think many of them even understand the concept.

Harper has increased spending every year he has been in office, he is spending much more than Liberals ever did and he enacted tax cuts on top of that. The result is inevitable, huge budget deficits.

But then conservatives don't have any problem having a party using their children and grandchildren's money.

 

[petros]

SJP You don't even know what the **** a budget deficit is so how the **** can you try to argue about them?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

But I thought, according to SJP, that rich people should pay more in taxes.

So, unless my kids are going to be rich, they aren't the ones who will pay it back.

In other words, the money was borrowed from future rich kids.

The money was borrowed from everybody. When deficit gets out of control, all the citizens suffer, the poor probably suffer even more than the rich.

But what you are espousing is typical conservative thinking. let us borrow from our children and grand children and have a party., Let them worry about the debt and the deficit.

Well, if you think that your kids and grandkids won't be affected by sky high debt, you are in for a rude shock (or rather they are in for a rude shock, you may be safely dead when the time comes to pay the piper.

But it really shows extreme naiveté on your part if you think that sky hgh national debt only affects the rich.

 

[JLM]

"We have already established that you are a conservative."-

YOu've established absolutely NOTHING. You talk incessantly like a "knowitall" yet you know very little about politics and very little about financing.
First of all what has the rich guy got to do with the poor woman who is struggling to buy groceries? What does he owe her? Did she provide the money that made him rich. I don't have much use for idle rich, but really what they do or don't do is not of my business or yours. You pretend to be a champion of the poor but most of us can see through that B.S. Otherwise you wouldn't be attacking the reduction of the G.S.T. that she benefits from just as everyone else. You seem to forget she buys soap. detergent, brooms, mops, hairdos, and most services. Do you have any idea where that "surplus" came from in the first place? Well I can, pretty well out of the exact same people's pockets that are getting it back.

 

[TenPenny]

And how do you know that he has supported any jobs? You assume too much. He could be one of the idle rich.

Well, the first clue is that he spent $200,000.00.

That must have been spent on something, therefore, jobs were involved.

Now, our famous 'single mother' is also a job creator, because (if we're going to follow your horrendous stereotype), she's going to create jobs with social workers, welfare office employees, doctors (when she inevitably beats her kids, or her boyfriend abuses them), and also police/judges/prosecutors/parole officers when the kids get into trouble with the law. Not only that, but she'll pay good taxes on all the cigarettes and alcohol she buys. Mustn't leave out any parts of the stereotype, must we? Because apparently, in your world, none of the single mothers are doctors or other professionals with high incomes who...spend money on stuff, and pay taxes.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The thing S.J. fails to realize is that surplus came from out of the people's pockets in teh first place and it's only proper it's put back there.

I see, so your solution is tax cuts and huge budget deficit, huge debt? Typical conservative thinking. Now I can see why you so idolize Harper, why you think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. After all, he is running the biggest deficit in Canadian history, so according to you, the guy is an economic genius.

So no doubt you think Bush was also an economic genius, he manged to top even Harper, running a deficit of more than 500 billion $.

HOw can your low taxes be good for your country and countrymen?????????? Very simple, when you spend that money you are creating employment for your countrymen, who quite often are in turn hire other countrymen and they are all paying taxes (much to some people's delight)

And what do low taxes do to the deficit? But we will let our kids and our grandkids worry about that, right? As long as we are having a ball, having a party, that is what counts.

 

[petros]

When deficit gets out of control, all the citizens suffer, the poor probably suffer even more than the rich.

What does deficit mean in your world? Is it a shortage of all your money or just what you've alotted for your "budget"?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

JLM ask this to SJP
Can you have a $10,000 pile with $5000 to spend in budget but in the end spend $6000 and claim to be over budget. True or False? Are you in the hole $1000 or just have a $1000 deficit and $4000 of you total pile remaining?

Well, let me give you a different math. You have 10,000 $ pile. You give away 5000 in tax cuts mostly for the rich, you increase spending from 10,000 to 15,000 $ run a deficit of 10,000 $ and call it a sound economic management. At least that is how conservative economics works.

 

[petros]

What is the difference between a "rainy day fund" and a "budget"?