Letter to us from the Taliban!

[lone wolf]

Na, Na! YOU are trying to hit low, aren't you? You know very well what I meant to express with fathers beating their children!! The mentality of power producing fear, fear resulting in obedience. In this day and age we don't raise our children like that any more; we have made progress in our human understanding. The same should apply for dealing with other countries. Bombs have no place in the hands of educated and evolved people. From savages we can expect them, but not from ourselves, right?;-)

No, I am NOT trying to hit low - but the way you're ducking I might have to. My statement was:

We will stay there because Taliban doesn't know Canadians. When someone threatens us or tells us we can't, it's the Canadian way to close ranks and kick butt - with hockey sticks if we have to.

You either misunderstood or otherwise interpreted it to mean we are forced. NOT the case, dear lady. When we are told we can't do something ... Canadians will find a way to do it - if only to prove the teller wrong.

Now ... on to the way it's been twisted: We do not have to force because that is not our way. Our way does not work when dealing with people whose way is to pound folk into submission. To them, our way is soft. They think we are push-overs - until they rush headlong into the dogged determinaton in a line of Canadians who won't be pushed by bully tactics. Have you ever stopped to wonder if that's why we attract so many to our shores who wish to escape the bullying ways of their own masters.

Bullets and bombs are a last resort once the diplomats have realized one cannot reason with the unreasonable.

Stubbornness has its merits in the right place. Not in this situation we are in in Afghanistan. Here we should have insight, tolerance, and the sense of what is best for all concerned. It can never be the best to kill people. We are not God to be able to decide who shall live and who shall die.

Are they God? Is it a priest's right to cut arms off or kill because a person did not deliver sufficient alhms to Allah?

For me WWII is an important watershed: A whole continent was more or less in flames! The atom bomb was dropped on innocent people without regret!
I thought we humans had reached the end of our capacity to destruct. Canada was part of it, so were the Americans, and yet, they keep right on killing and destroying.

I think I have only now, as I'm getting older, started to digest and process my childhood experiences, combined with my belief there is a reaction to every action, as well as that we all will reap what we have sown.
The truth is - I expect better from Canada and the US.

Sometimes, there is just no other option but to fight. I agree. Maybe we should just walk away and let Islam go on an orgy of meyhem. Then all that will be left are fanatics and suicide bombers. Unfortunately, there'll be nobody left over there to practice on so they'll have to invade other countries and convert them to Islam. To expect better from people, you can't have the worst thrust upon them.

I only mentioned Omar because we had recently talked about him and I was appalled about the hate in this forum towards him. He is a Muslim and was a child soldier.

Wolf, I dislike on you this kind of sordid pessimism! How on earth do you know Omar knows nothing but hate, killing, and be a terrorist?? That is crazy!! - - Finito!

Do you understand anything of childhood? Childhood trauma? Conditioning? How one is raised in the first five years and stuff? There are books. Feel free to learn and understand.

 

[Walter]

Is Mr. Colpy a racist? I hope I'm mistaken!

The Taliban is not a race, it is an Islamic sect. Perhaps Colpy is a sectist.

 

[dancing-loon]

The Taliban is not a race, it is an Islamic sect. Perhaps Colpy is a sectist.

Spelling mistake, Walter!! Sexist is more correct!!:lol::lol:

 

[dancing-loon]

Dear Wolf.... I'm getting VERY tired arguing with a stubborn mule!!:smile:

I've been on the web all morning, reading all sorts of interesting sites. My conclusion for now is still for us to get out of the Afghan conflict. It is a matter between the American government and the Taliban, the Mujehadin and Osama with his al Qaida. We have no business to get involved there.
http://www.jihadunspun.com/articles/04152002-Bush.Oil.Taliban/index.html

The warning letter we just received was sent to us meaning just that... "be warned, we do not differentiate between our various enemies... you, Canada, are one of them."
If we had any brains we should take their warning serious before more bloodshed occurs.

Why aid workers have to crawl around in that chaotic war zone is another thing I do not understand. Is it not clear to them they are very much at risk? I mean, aid workers have been kidnapped and killed before.
My suspicion is that this "aid" thing is a bribe to win the hearts and heads of the Afghan people, to influence them with goods and money to become sympathetic and helpful to us in winning the war. Also, to make the Taliban look bad.
A recent example was the aid sent to Georgia!!

One last response regards Omar: I'm just as stubborn as you, Wolf! So, forget prodding me!! I resent that! Grrrr...teeth...:lol:
Anyway, according to you the little Palestinian nation will have nothing but a whole generation or two, perhaps three of terrorists. Doesn't that worry you?

It's been a real joy having this discussion with you, but too much joy isn't healthy so, I'm taking a nap for now.
Have a nice afternoon!:smile:

 

[talloola]

I mean every word of the following: no joke.

The only good Taliban is a dead Taliban.

It is Canada's duty to transform Bad Taliban into good Taliban.

The taliban will 'never' become good, they can only be 'intimidated' by force,
it is all they understand, it would take generations to 'change' them, and
even then, doubtful.
They are trying to rule a group of people in a very brutal way, 'change' is a word
they probably only use when they get dressed, and by the look of them, they
don't 'change' much in that catagorie either.;-)

 

[lone wolf]

Dear Wolf.... I'm getting VERY tired arguing with a stubborn mule!!:smile:

I've been on the web all morning, reading all sorts of interesting sites. My conclusion for now is still for us to get out of the Afghan conflict. It is a matter between the American government and the Taliban, the Mujehadin and Osama with his al Qaida. We have no business to get involved there.
http://www.jihadunspun.com/articles/04152002-Bush.Oil.Taliban/index.html

The warning letter we just received was sent to us meaning just that... "be warned, we do not differentiate between our various enemies... you, Canada, are one of them."
If we had any brains we should take their warning serious before more bloodshed occurs.

Why aid workers have to crawl around in that chaotic war zone is another thing I do not understand. Is it not clear to them they are very much at risk? I mean, aid workers have been kidnapped and killed before.
My suspicion is that this "aid" thing is a bribe to win the hearts and heads of the Afghan people, to influence them with goods and money to become sympathetic and helpful to us in winning the war. Also, to make the Taliban look bad.
A recent example was the aid sent to Georgia!!

One last response regards Omar: I'm just as stubborn as you, Wolf! So, forget prodding me!! I resent that! Grrrr...teeth...:lol:
Anyway, according to you the little Palestinian nation will have nothing but a whole generation or two, perhaps three of terrorists. Doesn't that worry you?

It's been a real joy having this discussion with you, but too much joy isn't healthy so, I'm taking a nap for now.
Have a nice afternoon!:smile:

Whether our armed forces are in Afghanistan or never left Canada, we are the enemy because we are not them. We are not an Islamic people so we are infidels - that means even YOU. The aid may have been a means to reach their hearts. It also may have been a means to help. I suspect you have a suspicious nature.

Have you decided whether you would like to be treated worse than a barnyard animal yet?

Palestine??? DL, you have a map handy? Afghanistan is not Palistine.

Prost

 

[Socrates the Greek]

You may be right. But to sit back and let Afghanistan become a training base for jihadists would be far worse. As I have said many times before,'truthers' should stick to their conspiracies and let the adults go about doing the right thing. If you are ever fortunate to have children,the females will not be happy being treated like breeding stock because people like Daddy lacked a spine to support his tiny brain. Cheers.

Wally you are a classic, you will die believing that Afghanistan was a just cause, and when you get to the purely gates St Peter will tell you that your cause on earth was a stupid one, believing that war is good for humanity…………………..

 

[Risus]

I mean every word of the following: no joke.

The only good Taliban is a dead Taliban.

It is Canada's duty to transform Bad Taliban into good Taliban.

Colpy, you have proven that you are an idiot. Canada has no duty like that at all...

 

[dancing-loon]

I love it, Wolf.... slugging it out with you!

First of all, NOBODY will treat me as a barnyard animal. You are a pessimist as incurable as Bush is an incurable Neo-Con!! Loosen up, Wolf!

I've been on the web and found an article that describes NATO to a T. Remember your argument Canada is part of NATO and therefore can't refuse to fight in Afghanistan?

Read here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9874

Samples....

"NATO's goal is to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down ;-)." Lord Ismay, first NATO Secretary-General.

As of now, it is a fact that the U.S. government and the American foreign affairs nomenklatura see NATO as an important tool of American foreign policy of intervention around the world.

That is the strong rationale behind the proposals to reshape, reorient and enlarge NATO, in order to transform it into a flexible tool of American foreign policy.

Regarding NATO, the plan is to turn it into an aggrandized offensive imperial U.S.-dominated political and military alliance against the rest of the world. Today the initially 12-member NATO has mushroomed into a 26-member organization. In the future, if the U.S. has its way, NATO could be a 40-member organization.

For instance, the rush with which the Bush-Cheney recklessly promised NATO membership to the former Soviet republic of Georgia and American military support and supply is a good example of how NATO is viewed in Washington D.C. by both main American political parties.

However, it is difficult to see how this new offensive role for NATO would be in the interests of European countries or of Canada.

And as for Canada, under the neocon minority Harper government, it has sadly become a de facto American colony as far as foreign affairs are concerned, and this, without any serious debate or referendum to that effect within Canada. The last thing Canada needs is to go further on that mined road. (we are already stubbornly on the road!!:-()In conclusion, it would seem that the humanist idea of having peace, free trade and international law as the foundations of the world order is being cast aside in favor of a return to great power politics and gunboat diplomacy. This is a 100-year setback.

Remember how we and others were pushed by Gates to increase our troops in Afghanistan?

And now I have to go for my walk around the race track!!!!!!:happy5::wave:

 

[dancing-loon]

Are you serious! Do you have a clue on what war is!

They are fighting with their bare hands...if it was only that easy. Get your head out of the sand. If you equate bare hands to be Ak-47's, mines, IED's, RPG's etc then OK. Well no...it is not OK because it is ridiculous to suggest it is unethical to fight them because they don't have the same stuff.

We are not playing hockey here Loon...it is war.

Do you think Canada should have armed the Germans towards the end of the war because a lot of their stuff was broke?

I feel silly responding to this to be honest. You're just a defeatist.

Well, then WHY do you respond?

 

[dancing-loon]

Wally you are a classic, you will die believing that Afghanistan was a just cause, and when you get to the purely gates St Peter will tell you that your cause on earth was a stupid one, believing that war is good for humanity…………………..

Socrates, you are a real little gem! Thanks for your support.

 

[lone wolf]

I love it, Wolf.... slugging it out with you!

First of all, NOBODY will treat me as a barnyard animal. You are a pessimist as incurable as Bush is an incurable Neo-Con!! Loosen up, Wolf!

I've been on the web and found an article that describes NATO to a T. Remember your argument Canada is part of NATO and therefore can't refuse to fight in Afghanistan?

Read here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9874

Samples....Remember how we and others were pushed by Gates to increase our troops in Afghanistan?

And now I have to go for my walk around the race track!!!!!!:happy5::wave:

My dear Loon: If Taliban had their way, you would lose every freedom you know. As a mere woman, you would be beaten for being online for you may be speaking with a man or with someone who contradicts what your lord and master has spoken. As one who is no longer young and able to procreate new little sons for Allah, the livestock would get preferential treatment.

Pessimist? DL, do you even know what the word means? I am quite optimistic - otherwise I would not be alive today. I am also a realist. I know when rose-coloured glasses are the blinders fools wear.

As I said before, I was against sending troops to Afghanistan. That all changed when the cowards proved their mettle by targeting unarmed people who were just there to help Afghani citizens. They were the Koreans and now the Canadians. I am against giving Taliban the ego boost they would get if we were to leave. In their itty bitty little control freak minds, that would be a defeat. That would paint Canada as soft - and you can almost guarantee our next meeting with Taliban would be on Canadian soil. God knows there are enough rabid Muslims here. They're the ones who claim offense if there happens to be Christ in Christmas. So you can see, your friends have already scored a partial victory.

You can believe as you wish. Bliss is not always a gift.

 

[wallyj]

Wally you are a classic, you will die believing that Afghanistan was a just cause, and when you get to the purely gates St Peter will tell you that your cause on earth was a stupid one, believing that war is good for humanity…………………..

You are right about me going to my grave believing that we are helping the Afghani's by destroying the cancer called Taliban.A gold star for you. But,sorry,you have to give it back. There isn't a chance in Hell I will get even close to the 'purely' gates. Or even the pearly ones....I used to have for my signature " War,like surgery,is traumatic,but it is often necessary for survival". Something like that.

 

[Just the Facts]

JtF... :lol: thanks for remembering the peace sign! I love you for that!!!
The rest of your "logic" doesn't impress me, as it makes no intelligent sense... it's just rhetoric like most of the posts here.

No logic, DL, no logic at all. Just facts.

 

[Just the Facts]

Is Mr. Colpy a racist? I hope I'm mistaken!

What race is "Taliban"?

 

[gopher]

OK, ok. I feel better now that I know the wicked Taliban are out to attack Canada and not the USA.

Very thoughtful of them when you think about it.

 

[Just the Facts]

The warning letter we just received was sent to us meaning just that... "be warned, we do not differentiate between our various enemies... you, Canada, are one of them."
If we had any brains we should take their warning serious before more bloodshed occurs.

Maybe we should just warn them back.

Why aid workers have to crawl around in that chaotic war zone is another thing I do not understand. Is it not clear to them they are very much at risk? I mean, aid workers have been kidnapped and killed before.

Talk about blaming the victim. I guess it's only natural for sweet brave peace loving mujahids to shred with bullets unarmed women who came only to help feed the hungry.

A perfect example of the morality we're fighting.

My suspicion is that this "aid" thing is a bribe to win the hearts and heads of the Afghan people, to influence them with goods and money to become sympathetic and helpful to us in winning the war. Also, to make the Taliban look bad.

The taliban don't need any help in looking bad. At that they are supreme.

 

[dancing-loon]

Maybe we should just warn them back.
The taliban don't need any help in looking bad. At that they are supreme.

Afghan War Escalates With Worst Taliban Raid in 6 Years

Taliban insurgents mounted their most serious attacks in six years of fighting in Afghanistan over the last two days, including a coordinated assault by at least 10 suicide bombers against one of the largest American military bases in the country, and another by about 100 insurgents who killed 10 elite French paratroopers.

Taken together, the attacks were part of a sharp escalation in fighting as insurgents have seized a window of opportunity to press their campaign this summer — taking advantage of a wavering NATO commitment, an outgoing American administration, a flailing Afghan government and a Pakistani government in deep disarray that has given the militants freer rein across the border.

As a result, this year is on pace to be the deadliest in the Afghan war so far, as the insurgent attacks show rising zeal and sophistication. The insurgents are employing not only a growing number of suicide and roadside bombs, but are also waging increasingly well-organized and complex operations using multiple attackers with different types of weapons, NATO officials say.
........
The Taliban have seemingly made it part of their strategy to attack newly arriving forces, as well as those of NATO countries whose commitment to the war has appeared to waver, in an effort to influence public opinion in Europe. NATO countries have been under increasing pressure from the United States to increase their troop commitments to Afghanistan, which many have been hesitant to do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/world/asia/20afghan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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I'll save myself any comment!

 

[wallyj]

What is your point? Does this make you happy?

 

[talloola]

Yes, the war in afghanistan is not all 'one sided', so the other side does have
good days, so, we will wait for your article when the NATO side has a good day,
cause that happens too.