Lethal Atlantic salmon virus found on the West Coast
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Do you have any idea just how much of a wacko she is? Everything she spews is geared towards getting another grant instead of a job. Right up there with Suzuki in believability.
Obsessing over the quality of samples? That is ridiculous. The test results that were weakly positive were of poor quality. As has been said many times now, PCR is very sensitive. With samples that are degraded, the test specificity and sensitivity decline rapidly. The Moncton lab will release the results, when the full results are in, which includes other diagnostic tests. Alexandra Morton and all the activists will get their chance to spin the results when they are tabled before Justice Cohen.
Yes, finally she is calling the tests weak positives. These were most likely false positives. If both ISAV tests have the same sensitivity, and they only hit one positive out of 5 re-runs for gill tissue, and only on one of the tests, and no positves on any of the heart tisse re-runs, then the odds are highly suggestive that this was a false positive.
In fact the Norwegian researcher who tested the samples is asking the same question, just what are they detecting with that test?
That's ridiculous rhetoric. Dr. Marty tests samples, he's not risking anything. Alexandra Morton and her activists are so myopic that they can't even separate between the farmers who they assert are causing the damage, and the professionals who diagnose samples in a lab. Ridiculous.
This is simple bureaucratic nonsense. I've filled out these import certificates before. Not all hatcheries will have been approved, but there are mechanisms in place. The hatchery in question had detailed health summaries of their broodstock and their progeny, they had secure water sources, and had not imported new stock to their hatchery in over 5 years. They met all the conditions, except for the red tape of government regulations which by no means should be taken as a guarantee.
I mean which is it? Do you trust the Fish Health Guidelines and testing, or not. They seem to want to have it both ways. How do you submit samples of fish for re-testing by Canadian labs when those fish are gone?
Ignorance runs rampant with Morton and her crew.
This is patently false. ISAv is a reportable disease...There is very good reason for BC having no ISA contamination...there have been no disease outbreaks in the farms. ISA is lethal, highly lethal. 90% of all fish will die lethal. That hasn't happened.
Rhetoric. More rhetoric.
Not supported by her so called facts. Reaching rhetoric.
Here I actually agree. There should be more money for DFO.
More slander.
She has a Bachelor of Science. She's no more a Dr. than I am...
Can't manage a response ehh? It is slander, she goes from very weak evidence to highly certain negative and defamatory statements. That's called slander. Just because you activists can't manage the scientific arguments, you claim conspiracies and incompetence to hide your own shortcomings.
Pathetic.
Here's a nice picture showing the difference between the activists simplified view of science, versus reality. It's messy, but it works:
Can we all agree that raising a salmon from the other side of the country,a different ocean and a species foreign to the pacific ocean and raise them in a confined area and treat them with drugs not to mention coloring there food to make a pinker flesh is going to have serious negative effects on the environment they are raised in?
Except your ignorance, and Morton's intellectual bankruptcy. Hardly nothing.
No. Define serious, and give evidence, then we'll talk.
If you're incapable of hotlinking a simple picture how thorough are your experiments?
Canadians shouldn't have to prove that money hungry corporations (and their paid shills who have money as their god) that have devastated Salmon runs in Norway, Scotland and Ireland won't do the same here.
Put the feedlots on land-recycle the waste and if you can't make money without damaging the environment then Go Back To Where You Come From!!!
Thank you bill barilko, I could not have said it better myself.
Ask a fisherman in any of those countries the negative results from farmed fish.
Ask a fisherman in any of those countries the negative results from farmed fish.
In Alaska, where I fish we do not have the evil spawn of farmed salmon,unless they escape from a net in BC and we are blessed with a superior management system that prevents over fishing. Unlike the country I am a proud citizen of and would die for ,Canada.{the tattoos on my back prove it and my passport} the management system failed, the fisherman tried to catch the last fish and almost succeeded and farm salmon was welcomed into BC by the government to make up for jobs lost in fishing industry and for tax dollars to feed the machine.
My argument is simple. When you mess with mother nature you are left with an inferior product and problems to the environment.
My argument is simple. When you mess with mother nature you are left with an inferior product and problems to the environment.
This is seriously funny. No farmed salmon? You don't mess with nature?
Bull $hit.
Your state raises billions of smolts in hatcheries and releases them into the environment to support the wild fishery. It's called salmon ranching. What's more, your state doesn't collect enough information to assess the impact on biodiversity from these programs. So your state now is dependent on these farm raised smolts for fully one third of the wild harvest state-wide.
Here on the East coast, where we no longer have a fishery, we still raise salmon in hatcheries to try to help them rebound, but we have geneticists who prioritize pairwise matings to maximize the genetic variability in the offspring. Alaska isn't doing this.
You are messing with mother nature. Your "superior" management includes a known risk for stock health, and you require aquaculture to maintain your harvest numbers. Without it you would be over-fishing.
And you have no idea what you're doing to nearby rivers. Straying is when a fish spawns in any river but that from which it was raised. Oregon has some experience with salmon ranching. They had low numbers of strays from their total hatchery production, about 6%. But these strays moved into locally adapted and genetically distinct sub-populations in other rivers, and soon 3/4 of the fish in nearby rivers and streams were strays.
There is a known effect of hatchery raised fish. They aren't attuned to the conditions of wild fish, they have poor fitness in comparison for wild conditions. For example, hatchery raised fish have lower survival from smolt to adult, but higher survival from egg to smolt. They are more aggressive feeders, and less effficient at foraging than wild fish. The breeding success is higher in wild fish, but they produce smaller eggs with lower fecundity.
There are two farming practices for marine production of salmonids in North America. If you were to compare salmon farmed in cages, to your ranched fish, for every farmed salmon introduced to a net pen, there are 250 salmon loosed for ranching. The ranched salmon will consume 70 times the amount of feed, and produce less than 10 times the total production.
So which is a more efficient use of resources?
A host of issues. Ignorance is bliss ehh?
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On another note, I have reason to be pissed at DFO today. Turns out that ten years ago, the wife of the Virologist here at the Atlantic Vet College who worked on those samples that everyone was talking about in October was doing some research on Vancouver Island, with DFO. She took samples of Pacific salmon, and guess what? She found ISA in those fish! DFO disputed her results, and wouldn't let her publish her paper.
The kicker? Her conclusions were that Pacific salmon may have their own naturally occurring strain of ISA. But DFO for whatever dumb stupid reason wouldn't let her publish. Imagine what researchers could have learned in 10 years.
More politics instead of sound science.
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The net pen apologists all speak from the same script/speak with the same drooling mendacious mumble.
As unpopular as they in polite society I suppose we should have some sympathy for their lost cause but seeing the damage that's been done they can look in the dictionary between sh!t & syphilis.
As unpopular as they in polite society I suppose we should have some sympathy for their lost cause but seeing the damage that's been done they can look in the dictionary between sh!t & syphilis.
Stick with your studies and you too can learn to parrot the biostitute line.
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Oh wait-you're already parroting that line-in fact that's all I've ever seen you do.
But the human spirit is indomitable-maybe one day in a fit of honesty you'll take up an feasible sector of the mariculture trade like Scallops or Oysters-and finaly admit that raising piscivorous fish is unsustainable.
Well CFIA has finished testing:
Canada Completes Infectious Salmon Anaemia Testing: No Confirmed Cases in BC Salmon
December 2, 2011: The Government of Canada in collaboration with the Province of British Columbia has completed testing all samples related to the suspected infectious salmon anaemia investigation in BC. Based on the final results, there are no confirmed cases of the disease in wild or farmed salmon in BC.
The CFIA has also conducted a preliminary review of an industry-led testing program for farmed species. The review found that there has been a significant amount of testing for viral diseases, including infectious salmon anaemia, in farmed fish over the last 10 years.
In recent years, the Government of Canada and the Province of BC have tested over 5000 wild and farmed salmon in BC for infectious salmon anaemia. None have ever tested positive.
Infectious salmon anaemia poses no risk to people. Pacific salmon appear to be resistant to the disease.
Under the CFIA’s National Aquatic Animal Health Program, suspected federally reportable diseases, such as infectious salmon anaemia, must be confirmed at the Fisheries and Oceans Canada national reference laboratory.
For more information on infectious salmon anaemia, visit Canadian Food Inspection Agency - Aquatic Animals or call 1-800-442-2342.
Follow us on Twitter for the latest on animal health: Twitter.
Related Information:
Media inquiries:
CFIA Media Relations
613-773-6600
DFO Media Relations
613-990-7537
Canada Completes Infectious Salmon Anaemia Testing: No Confirmed Cases in BC Salmon
December 2, 2011: The Government of Canada in collaboration with the Province of British Columbia has completed testing all samples related to the suspected infectious salmon anaemia investigation in BC. Based on the final results, there are no confirmed cases of the disease in wild or farmed salmon in BC.
The CFIA has also conducted a preliminary review of an industry-led testing program for farmed species. The review found that there has been a significant amount of testing for viral diseases, including infectious salmon anaemia, in farmed fish over the last 10 years.
In recent years, the Government of Canada and the Province of BC have tested over 5000 wild and farmed salmon in BC for infectious salmon anaemia. None have ever tested positive.
Infectious salmon anaemia poses no risk to people. Pacific salmon appear to be resistant to the disease.
Under the CFIA’s National Aquatic Animal Health Program, suspected federally reportable diseases, such as infectious salmon anaemia, must be confirmed at the Fisheries and Oceans Canada national reference laboratory.
For more information on infectious salmon anaemia, visit Canadian Food Inspection Agency - Aquatic Animals or call 1-800-442-2342.
Follow us on Twitter for the latest on animal health: Twitter.
Related Information:
Media inquiries:
CFIA Media Relations
613-773-6600
DFO Media Relations
613-990-7537
She has a Bachelor of Science. She's no more a Dr. than I am...
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I believe she was granted an honorary doctorate from some diploma mill.
NO because that would be a lie.
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I believe she was granted an honorary doctorate from some diploma mill.
NO because that would be a lie.
Well...I guess I'll have to hurry up and go fishing and rockhounding in Kamchatka before it's too late to do the salmon fishing.