Less than 12 days until the new Conservative Leader is announced.

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Ballot is in the mail. There's a glitch. We'll find out in a few days. I dont get "supporter" emails, just "dear member..."

PS, I joined all 3 main parties. Its best to have the ability to vote against shit in the opposition parties than not being fully involved the game.

The Liberal emails are crazier and deeper in the bullshit than NDP.
 

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Kinda sounding a lot like you're just making this up as you go big guy. It was an online vote originally, now it's a paper ballot, And why would you join all three parties when two of them don't have a leader or a convention going on? And all the emails i get are addressed to me personally, they don't say "dear supporter" or "dear member" - if you're on a membership list they know you're name.

I think i'll call 'shenanigans' at this point :)
 
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Over half of Conservative members voted for new leader week before deadline
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Stephanie Taylor
Publishing date:Aug 30, 2022 • 20 hours ago • 3 minute read • 28 Comments

OTTAWA — More than half of Conservative party members have voted for its next leader, leaving one week for the remaining members to do the same.


As of Tuesday, the party says over 350,000 mail-in ballots have been returned out of the 678,000 they sent to people who can vote in the contest.


That means voter turnout is currently sitting at around 52 per cent so far. In the party’s 2020 leadership contest, which was won by Ontario MP Erin O’Toole, around 65 per cent of members voted.

Leadership candidates and their teams have spent the last few weeks of this race with their heads down, poring over the membership list, working to ensure their supporters have cast a vote — and trying to reach those who haven’t.

Front-runner Pierre Poilievre, who has hosted nearly 80 large rallies across the country throughout the campaign, held his final meet-and-greet Monday in Vancouver. His team says more than 1,000 people attended.



His get-out-the-vote efforts have been aided by many of the 62 members of Parliament backing him, many of whom have spent latter part of the summer hosting events where supporters can cast their mail-in ballots in person.

Saskatchewan MP Corey Tochor, who is co-chairing Poilievre’s campaign in that province along with former leader Andrew Scheer, said he’s seen two to three times as many people drop by those events as compared to leadership races in the past.

“The excitement level is through the roof.”

Besides collecting ballots to send to Ottawa, he said the events also serve as a chance to hear from the party’s base.

“It’s really rewarding to meet the grassroots, either new members or existing members, that are like, tears in their eyes thinking about the possibility of change.”


The events also provide supporters a place to photocopy a piece of identification, which must be sent along with the ballot to confirm its validity. That requirement can be logistical hurdle.

Many in the party expect Poilievre to win, and potentially win big, after his campaign reported selling more than 300,000 memberships. He also came into the race extremely popular with the party’s existing base.

His campaign has said many of the memberships were bought by people who have never belonged to a political party — which means the voting process for them is also new.

Despite the momentum behind Poilievre, Jean Charest’s campaign said they believe the former Quebec premier does have the points needed to win a narrow victory.


Candidates are assigned points based on what share of the vote they get in each of their ridings. The winner needs to get more than 50 per cent of the available points.

For the final week of getting out the vote, Charest’s campaign is focusing resources in Ontario and British Columbia, what it regards as two of the race’s battlegrounds. It’s counting on a strong showing in Atlantic Canada and Quebec.

He also hopes to pick up support that would have otherwise gone to Patrick Brown, who was disqualified from the race last month over an allegation he violated the country’s election law.

Brown focused on bringing in supporters from immigrant and racialized communities. Some in the party believe those supporters will choose not to vote now that he is not a candidate.


But after his ousting, Charest reached out to Brown’s organizers. Mukarram Ali Zaidi of Calgary said he was one of them.

“Whatever Patrick Brown was doing, he agreed that he would continue that work,” he said in a recent interview, adding that includes fighting Quebec’s controversial Bill 21.

“When politicians want your support and vote, they say everything that you want.”

Zaidi, who is Muslim, said he also asked Charest to commit to investigating Brown’s removal from the race, which he said shocked many of Brown’s supporters.

Charest campaign spokesperson Michelle Coates Mather confirmed in a statement that he is committed to opening an investigation.

The next Conservative leader will be announced at a convention in Ottawa on Sept. 10.
 

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I came across an issue that if discussed could make the entire process moot.

I haven't paid party fees in two years and they still emailed me the ballot link as if I were still a member, which worked. So technically nonmembers are voting for leaders.

Oopsies!
I thought membership was good for three years?
 

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Jean Charest tries to repeat history with Conservative leadership bid
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Marie-Danielle Smith
Publishing date:Sep 04, 2022 • 21 hours ago • 6 minute read • 216 Comments

OTTAWA — It’s just after 9 a.m. on a Friday morning at Wilfrid’s Restaurant in the Chateau Laurier and guests are helping themselves to a breakfast buffet when Jean Charest takes his seat in the corner of the room.


This iconic hotel down the street from Parliament Hill, the scene of so many political tete-a-tetes and soirees, is about as cliche a meeting place as you can get in official Ottawa. It’s somehow entirely appropriate.


Charest, who is vying to become leader of the federal Conservative party in a contest that wraps up Sept. 10, settles down in front of the $24 yogurt parfait his press secretary ordered up before his arrival and opens the top button of his white shirt. Before beginning an interview, he chit-chats: Where are you from? Are you bilingual? After the tape recorder is off, picking at the raspberries: Live nearby? Any kids?

Ever the retail politician, Charest is on a first-name basis with the waiter and treats him just as warmly. He’s on a first-name basis with many of Canada’s political giants, too, dropping names like “Lucien” into the conversation knowing that there’s no need to explain who he’s talking about. (That’s Lucien Bouchard, a former premier of Quebec and an important figure in its sovereignty movement.)


“I’ve had to reintroduce myself in this campaign,” he says, looking back on his long career in both federal and provincial politics, before a more recent 10-year stint in the private sector. “I did not expect when I started that it would be a 28-year run. I didn’t expect all the turns, the events. I had a lot of moments of success and also a lot of moments where there were failures. And moments of elation and moments of disappointment. I’ve had them all.”

He says he’s no “choir boy” and “you’re not sitting in front of a saint.” But he’s here to make a case that his experience has more than prepared him to lead, and, in a way, that history can and should repeat itself. It’s far from his first rodeo.

It’s not even the first time others have convinced Charest to run for leadership of a party.


In 1998, when Charest was leader of the federal Progressive Conservatives, he bowed to mounting pressure from other politicians and the public to take over leadership of the Quebec Liberal Party, which is separate from the federal Liberal party.

It was five years later, during the 2003 provincial election, when Conservative MP Alain Rayes encountered him for the first time. “I lost that election because of Jean Charest,” he says in an interview in French. He ran for the Action democratique du Quebec and lost to a Liberal. He remains convinced this was “clear proof” of Charest’s political magic.

Charest won his party a majority government and remained premier for nine years. If he has been reintroducing himself to voters during the federal leadership campaign, it has been with a careful effort not to reintroduce them to his baggage.


Though Charest’s approach to Quebec’s fiscal situation was lauded and the province fared better than almost anywhere else during the 2008-09 financial crisis, he was consistently plagued by unproven corruption allegations and several of his ministers had to step aside because of conflict of interest allegations. A lengthy investigation into alleged illegal financing in the provincial Liberal party under his leadership only wrapped up early this year without recommending any charges to police. Charest is suing the province over it.

Though he bristles today at any accusation he hasn’t been aligned with the federal Conservative party, he wasn’t always a friend to former prime minister Stephen Harper.

During a tighter campaign in the 2007 provincial election, Harper agreed to increase federal transfers to Quebec, which came at a political cost. But Charest used some of that money to make income tax cuts, to the consternation of other premiers.


Asked whether it’s possible to draw a straight line from that event to Harper’s endorsement of his opponent, Charest said any animosity is on the former prime minister’s side. But he couldn’t resist quipping: “Now, a Conservative disappointed in reducing income taxes is a novelty.”

Marc-Andre Leclerc was the Conservative party’s director of political operations for Quebec during Charest’s last couple of years as premier. “We never saw him like an ally,” he says. “After his retirement, we did not see him involved in the party.” Of course, Leclerc concedes, “it’s good politics to fight against Ottawa,” especially in Quebec.

Charest left office in 2012 on the heels of massive student demonstrations that sprang up after his government moved to raise tuition fees in Quebec universities, and later introduced a bill that would impose restrictions on protests.


Asked whether he has any regrets, Charest says, “it wouldn’t be honest for anyone to tell you that, ‘No, I did everything exactly the way it should’ve been done.”‘ For a specific example, he said he would have differed in his approach to labour laws.

“I think I changed seven of them in the same year and really made the unions my adversaries,” he says. “I would’ve done that differently.”

There’s one anecdote that Charest does want to highlight, saying, “it tells a story about me and about this race and who I am.”

With popular support rising in Quebec for a policy that would target the wearing of religious symbols, Charest created a commission in 2007 led by philosopher Charles Taylor and historian Gerard Bouchard that would look into the issue of accommodations for religious beliefs.


The commission recommended that people in certain positions — judges, prosecutors, police and prison guards — should not wear religious attire or symbols. Charest wouldn’t bite.

“It would’ve been more popular for me to do it than not to do it. I said no because I just didn’t believe in it.”

There is a through line to Charest’s position today. He says if he were prime minister and Quebec’s secularism law — Bill 21, which bans some civil servants in positions of authority from wearing religious symbols on the job — were to be at issue at the Supreme Court, his government would intervene and argue against the restriction of Charter rights.

Rayes, who thinks Bill 21’s importance in the Conservative leadership race is overblown, was the first to approach Charest to come to the rescue of a flailing federal party early this year. He and others worked “very hard” to convince him, he says, and they succeeded. He thinks Quebecers will line up behind Charest.


Not long after decrying how modern politicos are always chasing after “shiny objects,” a tacit criticism of social media, Charest is on Sparks Street, a couple of blocks away from the Hill, looking for somewhere to buy a newspaper. Like the meeting at the hotel, except perhaps for the price of the yogurt, it’s another moment that feels decoupled from time. A person might have bumped into Charest when he was last a member of Parliament and had the same interaction.

Pollster Philippe Fournier says Charest is a gifted debater and a fearsome campaigner. That much has always been true.

As a prospective prime minister, he may today have a “hard ceiling” in Quebec, where some voters won’t forgive Charest for some of his moves as premier or even for his role in the “No” campaign against separation in the 1995 referendum.

But Fournier says he has “no doubt” Charest would win the next federal ;election if he were to eke out a victory now, a result he sees as highly unlikely.

“It would have been a great story, when you think about it.”
 

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The federal Conservative party is about to announce the election of a new leader, and while the shabby agreement between the Liberals and NDP seems to assure that those parties will be riveted on our backs for another three years, imposing their delusional socialist nonsense upon us, “The land is strong,” as Pierre Trudeau famously said in his not overly successful 1972 re-election campaign, and we will certainly endure three more years of misgovernment.

At that time, surely either Pierre Poilievre or Jean Charest will be called upon to pick up the pieces. An immense challenge and a great opportunity, which the incumbent regime has entirely failed even to recognize, will await the returning Conservatives.

 

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The federal Conservative party is about to announce the election of a new leader, and while the shabby agreement between the Liberals and NDP seems to assure that those parties will be riveted on our backs for another three years, imposing their delusional socialist nonsense upon us, “The land is strong,” as Pierre Trudeau famously said in his not overly successful 1972 re-election campaign, and we will certainly endure three more years of misgovernment.

At that time, surely either Pierre Poilievre or Jean Charest will be called upon to pick up the pieces. An immense challenge and a great opportunity, which the incumbent regime has entirely failed even to recognize, will await the returning Conservatives.
Non paywall link for those who need it: https://archive.ph/Tp2Bw

I mean he's right, but generally quebec seperatist crap dies off remarkably when you just leave the provinces to do what they want within their own powers and stay out of it. The quebec issue was largely dead during Harper's time.
 

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Conservative leader Candice Bergen says it's time for life beyond politics
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:Sep 06, 2022 • 1 day ago • 3 minute read • 51 Comments

As the Conservative Party gets set to pick a new leader this weekend, the current interim leader says it’s time to look to a life beyond politics. Candice Bergen is set to announce that she is leaving public life and won’t stand in the next election.


In an exclusive interview with the Sun, Bergen wanted to make one thing clear, she’s not leaving over whomever is chosen as the next leader, she will support them, it’s just time.


“Serving the constituents of Portage—Lisgar for fourteen years has been the honour of my political life,” Bergen’s official statement reads.

In a wide-ranging conversation on her time in politics, she comes back to the idea of representing and listening to the people, the constituents, time and again. She’s proud of the work she’s done as an MP and as leader of the Conservative Party over the last seven months but wants to clear the deck and the air for the new leader.

From local volunteer to MP and leader
Bergen got involved in politics as a volunteer when her kids were young. She had grown frustrated with the direction of the country and began volunteering for the Canadian Alliance under Stockwell Day after hearing her mother’s constant refrain in her head.


“I could hear my mother’s voice saying if you don’t do something you can’t complain,” Bergen said.

What began as a volunteer position turned into a full-time job in Ottawa as she was elected in 2008 after MP Brian Pallister stepped down. Thus began an exciting but tumultuous 14-year career with plenty of highs and lows.

“The worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition,” Bergen said with a laugh before detailing some of the fun and successes she’s had on both sides of the House.

Career has had many highlights
One of her highlights on the government side was passing Bill S-2 in 2013. The bill granted women on reserves matrimonial property rights, something even more important to Bergen now as she watches her Indigenous granddaughter grow up.


“I’m still very happy that we passed real matrimonial rights for Indigenous women,” Bergen said.

The piece of legislation she’s most famous for putting forward is Bill C-391, a private members bill to end the long gun registry. It initially received support from Liberal and New Democrat MPs who later switched their votes to kill the bill. In 2011, after the Harper Conservatives won a majority, she was appointed Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and charged with shepherding Bill C-19, the government bill to end the long gun registry through Parliament.

A real low point for Bergen was obviously the defeat of the Harper government in 2015.


“So many friends, so many good MPs losing their seats and Stephen Harper was such a great prime minister,” she said.


Politics impacted her family life
When she was first elected, her three kids ranged in age from 12 to 20 and while she will admit to missing too many birthdays or important life events due to work in Ottawa, Bergen said her kids benefitted as well. She noted that with any job there are tradeoffs, but she wouldn’t change her course.

“I’ve been very privileged to do this job and my kids’ lives are richer as a result of it,” she said.

Bergen said that she would also continue to encourage young people, both women and men, to enter political life despite what many call an increased toxicity. While Bergen denounced what happened recently to Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, she said that’s not new in politics.

She described working at a rally in Winnipeg in the early 2000s for Stephen Harper before he was prime minister. A large man kept taunting her with his anti-Harper sign while screaming “F**k you b**ch!” over and over again.


“It is horrible, but this is about horrible individuals, most Canadians aren’t like that,” she said of her experience and that of Freeland’s.

During her time as leader, Bergen was a force to be reckoned with during Question Period but said she wishes she could have gotten answers to the questions she and her team put forward on behalf of the Canadian people.

“The Canadian public have had enough of not answering questions and just reading talking points,” Bergen said.

Bergen said that she will stay on as an MP for now, whether she sticks around until the next election will depend on timing. As for what comes after politics, she’s not sure but is looking forward to next chapter in the adventure that is her life.
 
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Record number of ballots cast in Conservative leadership race
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:Sep 06, 2022 • 15 hours ago • 3 minute read • 77 Comments
More than 431,000 ballots have been cast for the leadership race which ends with the announcement of the winner on Saturday.

It’s all over but the counting — and there is a lot of counting to be done.


More than 431,000 ballots, 64% of all eligible ballots, had been received and verified by the Conservative Party as of Tuesday morning with party officials confirming that between 10,000 and 20,000 ballots have been arriving daily over the last few weeks.


That could mean more than 450,000 total ballots cast by the end of it all.

By comparison, there were just 174,404 ballots cast in the 2020 Conservative leadership race and in the 2013 Liberal leadership contest that put Justin Trudeau in charge, just 104,552 ballots were cast.

Without a doubt, this race has seen the most ballots ever cast for the leadership of a political party in Canada.

The winner will be declared Saturday in Ottawa and with these numbers, it’s hard to see any outcome beyond a Pierre Poilievre victory, most likely on the first ballot.


Campaigns anxious for Saturday
The Poilievre camp declined to comment on the numbers, with a campaign team member simply saying they’re excited for the race to be over, and the results made public.

Chris Rougier, campaign manager for the Charest camp, offered up some hope, but not much, that his candidate could pull through.

“We are very proud of the turnout we have seen from our supporters. Nearly 100% of our membership sales have cast their ballot in support of Jean,” Rougier said.

Rougier described Poilievre’s campaign as a movement that has been growing for some time, even before Charest entered the race.

“We are feeling cautiously optimistic but agree, no matter the outcome, we need to move forward as a united Conservative Party to bring an end to Trudeau’s politics of division,” he said.


A month ago, Rougier had been trying to keep the spirits of the campaign team up by releasing what he called Charest’s path to victory. It required Charest to take 50% of the points available in Ontario, 75% in Quebec and over 60% in each of the Atlantic provinces.

Even with almost all of their identified support coming out for Charest, Poilievre sold more than 311,000 memberships himself and is popular with a large portion of the existing membership. For Charest to find that path to victory would require everything to go right for him when the ballot envelopes are opened, and for everything to go wrong for Poilievre.

That’s highly unlikely to happen, making Saturday’s event where the results will be announced a forgone conclusion.


Party unity will become focus
After Sunday, the question of party unity that Rougier raised will become all the more important.

After Andrew Scheer won the leadership in 2017, the bad blood between him and Maxime Bernier lasted for months before Bernier went on to form the Peoples Party of Canada. In 2020, Erin O’Toole’s team froze out anyone who had worked for Peter MacKay, and the bad blood between O’Toole and MacKay festered.

It’s unlikely that Poilievre and Charest will have a kiss and make up moment after this campaign and the nasty, personal tone both sides have engaged in. That said, there should be outreach from Poilievre or his team to those in other camps to bring them into the tent.

In politics, you win through addition, not subtraction and chasing away good campaign workers, or even worse voters, because they supported the other side isn’t a winning strategy.

After the results are released Saturday comes the hard work of building a team and assembling a plan to win the next election, which could come as early as this fall.

With the Conservatives have been stuck at 34% of the vote in the last two elections, they will need to find a way to expand beyond that core base of support if they want to beat the Liberals.
 

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Conservative leader Candice Bergen says it's time for life beyond politics
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:Sep 06, 2022 • 1 day ago • 3 minute read • 51 Comments

As the Conservative Party gets set to pick a new leader this weekend, the current interim leader says it’s time to look to a life beyond politics. Candice Bergen is set to announce that she is leaving public life and won’t stand in the next election.


In an exclusive interview with the Sun, Bergen wanted to make one thing clear, she’s not leaving over whomever is chosen as the next leader, she will support them, it’s just time.


“Serving the constituents of Portage—Lisgar for fourteen years has been the honour of my political life,” Bergen’s official statement reads.

In a wide-ranging conversation on her time in politics, she comes back to the idea of representing and listening to the people, the constituents, time and again. She’s proud of the work she’s done as an MP and as leader of the Conservative Party over the last seven months but wants to clear the deck and the air for the new leader.

From local volunteer to MP and leader
Bergen got involved in politics as a volunteer when her kids were young. She had grown frustrated with the direction of the country and began volunteering for the Canadian Alliance under Stockwell Day after hearing her mother’s constant refrain in her head.


“I could hear my mother’s voice saying if you don’t do something you can’t complain,” Bergen said.

What began as a volunteer position turned into a full-time job in Ottawa as she was elected in 2008 after MP Brian Pallister stepped down. Thus began an exciting but tumultuous 14-year career with plenty of highs and lows.

“The worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition,” Bergen said with a laugh before detailing some of the fun and successes she’s had on both sides of the House.

Career has had many highlights
One of her highlights on the government side was passing Bill S-2 in 2013. The bill granted women on reserves matrimonial property rights, something even more important to Bergen now as she watches her Indigenous granddaughter grow up.


“I’m still very happy that we passed real matrimonial rights for Indigenous women,” Bergen said.

The piece of legislation she’s most famous for putting forward is Bill C-391, a private members bill to end the long gun registry. It initially received support from Liberal and New Democrat MPs who later switched their votes to kill the bill. In 2011, after the Harper Conservatives won a majority, she was appointed Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and charged with shepherding Bill C-19, the government bill to end the long gun registry through Parliament.

A real low point for Bergen was obviously the defeat of the Harper government in 2015.


“So many friends, so many good MPs losing their seats and Stephen Harper was such a great prime minister,” she said.


Politics impacted her family life
When she was first elected, her three kids ranged in age from 12 to 20 and while she will admit to missing too many birthdays or important life events due to work in Ottawa, Bergen said her kids benefitted as well. She noted that with any job there are tradeoffs, but she wouldn’t change her course.

“I’ve been very privileged to do this job and my kids’ lives are richer as a result of it,” she said.

Bergen said that she would also continue to encourage young people, both women and men, to enter political life despite what many call an increased toxicity. While Bergen denounced what happened recently to Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, she said that’s not new in politics.

She described working at a rally in Winnipeg in the early 2000s for Stephen Harper before he was prime minister. A large man kept taunting her with his anti-Harper sign while screaming “F**k you b**ch!” over and over again.


“It is horrible, but this is about horrible individuals, most Canadians aren’t like that,” she said of her experience and that of Freeland’s.

During her time as leader, Bergen was a force to be reckoned with during Question Period but said she wishes she could have gotten answers to the questions she and her team put forward on behalf of the Canadian people.

“The Canadian public have had enough of not answering questions and just reading talking points,” Bergen said.

Bergen said that she will stay on as an MP for now, whether she sticks around until the next election will depend on timing. As for what comes after politics, she’s not sure but is looking forward to next chapter in the adventure that is her life.
Good another red tie in a blue suit , gone .
 

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Candice was awesome, and a key fighter in the whole gun registry fight. Gun owners (sane ones) will forever be thankful for her support.

Pierre has shown he can be a pretty nasty fighter when necessary - now we'll see if he can be equally skilled at being a unifying force. He's going to have to focus on issues that have a wider appeal and find a way to reach out to those who would have supported charest.

Although honestly i'm not sure how deep charest support really was, or if it was more name recognition than anything. He's very well known back east, pierre not so much.
 

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Who, outside of Quebec would support Charest? Of people that hold CPC membership that is.
 

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Who, outside of Quebec would support Charest? Of people that hold CPC membership that is.
Well there are still plenty of people who were strong supporters of the old PC government and party. There's still a lot of Centrist who see PP has being a little fire on the right for their tastes the liberal party as being Too far to the left. So those people we'll look at Jean as being desirable. But I don't think there's any Fierce loyalty and if those people are assured that the next conservative government won't be off the rails to the right they will probably come around
 

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Well there are still plenty of people who were strong supporters of the old PC government and party. There's still a lot of Centrist who see PP has being a little fire on the right for their tastes the liberal party as being Too far to the left. So those people we'll look at Jean as being desirable. But I don't think there's any Fierce loyalty and if those people are assured that the next conservative government won't be off the rails to the right they will probably come around
Just the fact he is from Quebec will eliminate him Manitoba West.