Lent 2014, what sacrifice will you make?

barra

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From one point of view it is legitimate to surmise that as the early Christians confused the Christmas quickening with birth symbolism and placed the birth of the Sun of God in March, so possibly they likewise were confused about the festival of forty days which commemorated the period of incubation of life-seed in
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the earth, and therefore shifted Lent to the wrong side of the year! There is strong, indeed almost irrefutable support for the assertion that all the significations of Lent appertain in nature's book of typism to the autumn. The spirit of Lent is entirely negative, the intimations are all dour, sad and dismal. Thus it rightly would find fitting appositeness only in the fall, when the sun-in-man, descending like the sun in the sky of autumn to shorter and feebler daily manifestation, or obscuration of its power, and sinking under the dominion of darkness, is pictured in the old Ember Days festivals as sitting like Cinderella in her hovel trying to keep warm beside the dying embers of her hearth-fire. Many forms of this dramatism survived in different lands and all were ritualized in the autumn.
We have in fact in our year of commemorative days a period of forty days, beginning with the fall equinox of September 21 and ending on October 31. This "autumn Lent" is terminated by our Hallowe'en carousal on October 31, and this is followed on the following day, November 1, by All Souls' Day, or All Saints' Day, the more ancient Michaelmas. In England Hallowe'en was formerly called Nutcracker's Night. The four cardinal "corners" of the zodiac were dedicated to the four chief Angles of the Presence, Gabriel, Raphael, Michael and Uriel. Michael's station was at the fall equinox. It could be affirmed that the period of forty days in the fall is the true Lent. This will no doubt be refuted by orthodox religionism, which will point to the etymological derivation of Lent from the German Lenz, meaning "spring." The evidence is not at hand to support a claim that this German word is not the partent of "Lent."
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The change of a "z" to a "t" is not frequent in language derivatives. But even if the claimed source be correct, it does not alter the fact that the symbolic elements of the Ember Days and the soul's descent to darkness and destitution of light in the bodily milieu down here would suggest autumn as the fitting time for dramatizing the crucifixion, death and burial and all the gloom of Passion Week, as well as the whole of Lent. The observance of Lent in the spring, when beyond all argument the psychological intimations of the Lenten message and motive are entirely out of accord with the spirit of nature springing to new life in every blade of grass, bud and leaf, in growing sunshine and beauty on every side, must be considered an anachronism of the sorriest and most glaring ineptitude. Certainly in the long run it has gone far to dim the sun of happy springtime joyousness in all the life of Christianity.http://pc93.tripod.com
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Wow, you come up with very intriguing posits and research. In the end the cycle of seasons is what will overtake humans, regardless of religion.
Spring, Summer, Fall Winter. A natural time of harvest, fruits, wheats produce of the reaping of ones toil culminates in the fall.

The cycle of moons predicates the lenten season, only 40 days and new shoots (many emerging edible plants start then). But we also have two hemispheres and two cycles opposite to the seasons.

History, religions, and nature - usually collaborate in some way with the seasonal celebrations. New life is always welcome after a long hard winter.

There is an unseen, but very tangible "reward" from lent or (insert other aboriginal sacrificial seasonal celebrations of community or individual growth) that does not come from just going through life on autopilot..
 

barra

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Instead of giving something up, How about we commit to doing something? How about we forum posters committ to 40 days of bible reading and study. Take it easy, Cliffy - don't go and have a heart attack. Maybe we can get Motar to initiate the study. Then we read a little each day & come back to post about what we read.
Anyone willing? Then you can forget about ditching the french fries - eat, drink & be merry!
I will commit to this. I did a 90 day bible reading challenge last year and it was tough, due to so much activity that happens through this home. But I did it for a friend who was unwell. That was the whole bible, and tough to get through the first 5 books, and even Chronicles, etc. Lots of lists of names, begets, and repetition about tribes and their duties. 14 pages a day will do it. Early morning was the best for me to focus on reading, but got to admit, I did skim through when it was apparent when some scriptures were "lists" of names and tribes and their duties. After the first few of those one sort of skims through those parts.

Mind you, it is not an easy read when one sees the massive violence that is constantly portrayed in the OT. In addition to the conflicting nature of "God" in the OT.

Ergo, I would undertake reading through the whole of the New Testament for 40 days as a focus and leave out the OT in this session.

Discussion? hmmm, that can be interesting, but has it not already all been said and studied? My view would be toward personal or community application ~ to discuss if it speaks to one or one can apply those lessons in the here and now, or as it moves a person. I really do not need another "commitment" at present, but would participate if it is "when available" type of discussion and not an obligatory thing. I still have to give up french fries, regardless. :) happy sad about that, as I might drop a few pounds. :)

Coffee. I'm going to go for no coffee.
Wow, that is a really tough one. Good for you!
 

gerryh

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Good to see you are an expert on it!


Yup, you won't find me drinking decaf. Useless coloured water. Like Bones said about alcohol free beer or Barty said about american beer compared to Canadian. Drinks for pussies, but I imagine they are right up your alley.
 

petros

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Wow, that is a really tough one. Good for you!
Are you insane...8O no coffee, that is harsh Pete
Does decaf count? -:)
decaf is pretend coffee drank by pussies.

I only drink 600ml a day in the AM and won't freak out from jonesing.

I'm doing it because it's something I savour and really enjoy as part of my morning ritual of thought and reflection.

By the time Easter is over I'll be able to have my morning coffee outside sitting in the sunshine basking in all of God's glory as spring, a time of rebirth, kicks into high gear.
 

coldstream

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I'll sacrifice a virgin. Or maybe a goat.

Hey, I got it! A virgin goat!


I think you've got a ways to go in understanding Lent, bones.. the 'Virgin' goes with 'Mary'. The 'Goat' is symbolically associated the Devil. And the 'sacrifice' refers to yourself.. not someone else. But you've got all the ingredients, they just seem to have gotten twisted into a knot along the way. :)
 
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JLM

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It's like alcohol-free beer. Why bother?

I used to think that too, but actually it's not. A year ago when I had a spell of atrial fib, I switched over to decaf temporarily on the doc's advice..............Yuck!!!!!!!!!! Well after about 2 weeks, I began getting used to it and after about a month I couldn't tell the difference. I still buy decaf for home use, but when I'm out I buy normal coffee as there is no longer a danger to drinking it and quite frankly now I don't have a preference for one over the other. It probably has a lot to do with mind over matter.
 

Walter

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Here's my tentative list for Lent 2014:

1. No booze (managed last year no problem)
2. Exercise each day minimum 30 minutes (the days I can't get in the pool will be tough)
3. No posting on this forum (did it two years ago)
4. No snacking,except on veggies
 

JLM

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Here's my tentative list for Lent 2014:

1. No booze (managed last year no problem)
2. Exercise each day minimum 30 minutes (the days I can't get in the pool will be tough)
3. No posting on this forum (did it two years ago)
4. No snacking,except on veggies

I can see three of them Walter but what is #3 going to do for you?

Give up on reading what walter posts.

Why? If you read his posts for 10 minutes every day you might double your intelligence in a week. -:)