Latest problem with Obamacare. Too many people now have access to healthcare.

BaalsTears

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Isn't it true that more than half of the newly insured are going to get Medicaid, for the poor who don't qualify for Medicare or subsidized Obamacare? Who's going to pay for that?
 

BornRuff

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Isn't it true that more than half of the newly insured are going to get Medicaid, for the poor who don't qualify for Medicare or subsidized Obamacare? Who's going to pay for that?

The feds are paying to expand medicare, at least where the states are letting them.

Pretty much every state with a Republican governor turned down federal money to pay for expanded medicaid, and I don't know if any of them have done anything to replace it. They are simply letting millions of people be left without access to medicaid or subsidies through the exchanges just to prove a political point.
 

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There is a vast difference between being educated and having credentials. Most educated people don't understand the laws of economics and unintended consequences.



I have the utmost respect for you. So let me ask you a question. What happens when a finite resource like quality health care is overwhelmed by new demand?
The dumbest person I know has a PHD . Maybe dumbest is to kind , stupidest would be more appropriate . .
 

BornRuff

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I have the utmost respect for you. So let me ask you a question. What happens when a finite resource like quality health care is overwhelmed by new demand?

Good quality healthcare is not a finite resource. There will obviously have to be adjustments, which the story in the OP is all about, but they will eventually scale things appropriately.
 

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Good quality healthcare is not a finite resource. There will obviously have to be adjustments, which the story in the OP is all about, but they will eventually scale things appropriately.
Do adjustments mean death panels ?
 

BornRuff

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Do adjustments mean death panels ?

Lol, yeah, just "adjust" the population to a manageable size.

Seriously though, they hire more staff, buy more physical resources, or and use what they have more efficiently.

It is like any other business, you scale based on the supply and demand.
 

BaalsTears

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To the New American Right, being ignorant and ill-educated is a virtue.

I don't think Hiawatha truly understands the swirling ideas and roiling emotions that connote the unique term you coin, i.e., "the New Right." Can you describe your understanding of the phenomenon? Please do so.

What are the fault lines separating the old right, new right, libertarians, and those who have become political nihilists?

On the question of education mere credentials do not constitute one as an educated person. Indeed, there are many on this forum who are substantially more credentialed than you dear sir.

The feds are paying to expand medicare, at least where the states are letting them.

Pretty much every state with a Republican governor turned down federal money to pay for expanded medicaid, and I don't know if any of them have done anything to replace it. They are simply letting millions of people be left without access to medicaid or subsidies through the exchanges just to prove a political point.

Where will the money come from. The cost of obamacare was originalled represented as not exceeding $1 trillion over ten years, but that sum has now ballooned to $2.5 trillion according to the CBO. What source is available to pay the excess?

The dumbest person I know has a PHD . Maybe dumbest is to kind , stupidest would be more appropriate . .

The dumbest person I know holds a mere Juris Doctor degree.

Must be a terible thing when the masses can get afordable health care. Takes a lot of the fun out of being rich.

It wasn't necessary to grow and further empower the federal govt. in order to fund universal health care. It could have been done easily without disturbing existing insurance coverage. The funding is readily apparent. What is unacceptable is empowering the federal leviathan. That's all that has been accomplished by Obamacare.

Lol, yeah, just "adjust" the population to a manageable size.

Seriously though, they hire more staff, buy more physical resources, or and use what they have more efficiently.

It is like any other business, you scale based on the supply and demand.

It's like the Dept. of Motor Vehicles combined with the IRS and the NSA.

That would be a good thing. You don't restrict people, if you have to, you restrict the conditions and procedures you cover.

Does that not create a new system of winners and losers?
 

BornRuff

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Where will the money come from. The cost of obamacare was originalled represented as not exceeding $1 trillion over ten years, but that sum has now ballooned to $2.5 trillion according to the CBO. What source is available to pay the excess?

2.5 trillion? Where do you see the CBO talking about that? The latest numbers I can find from them say 1.5 trillion.

Updated Estimates of the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act - CBO

The cost to expand medicaid is not over and above this amount. It is included in this number, and along with the subsidies in the exchanges, makes up the bulk of that number.

Just because some people didn't know that medicaid was a major part of the ACA doesn't mean that the CBO didn't know that.

It's like the Dept. of Motor Vehicles combined with the IRS and the NSA.

Lol, no, it is like health insurance. This really isn't radical change, it is the government stepping in to make sure more people can take part in the system that already existed.
 

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Does that not create a new system of winners and losers?


No it creates a system where everyone gets the same treatment and everyone is denied coverage for some conditions and procedures. It sure beats denying some people any treatment.
 

BornRuff

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No it creates a system where everyone gets the same treatment and everyone is denied coverage for some conditions and procedures. It sure beats denying some people any treatment.

In the US, they have more than enough manpower and resources to provide their entire population with good quality healthcare. There really is no need to deny anyone the care that they need for anything. The problem they have to overcome is allocating things properly.
 

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So what you're saying is that there are no educated conservatives.

Huh.

Wow... you're pretty slow at times.

Must be a terible thing when the masses can get afordable health care. Takes a lot of the fun out of being rich.

They always could. Another misnomer. Now they are forced to get it and many will pay more for less.

Lol, why are you complaining about this to me and not Locust, who actually brought this article up in the first place? Do you have a thing for me?

If you can find a better report on this, I would genuinely be interested in seeing what it says. We could go with the White House Numbers if you want, but they are much higher, so I don't know if that would please you.

Add another to your Duh column.

10 yards... Unable to Keep Up With Thread
 

Locutus

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This stretching the truth and playing with libwurds is hilarious re: barrycare.

1.5 million.

the rest are supplementary add-ons, drops, recaptures, diversions, half sign ups, repeat clients or maybe imaginary fone mongrels. Or something.

Anyway kids, it's like that lyin' sack of flabby sh!t Peter Griffin telling Lois he went for his physical when he didn't. When she asks him what the doc said, Peter says he told him he was 'in too good of shape'. Very believable natch.

bamacare...too good of shape. :lol:
 

BornRuff

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Add another to your Duh column.

10 yards... Unable to Keep Up With Thread

Lol, you seem to be talking about yourself.

But fine, assume I am very slow and need to be walked through your clearly intelligent ideas. Why do you only start to complain about the article when I use it to support my side of the argument, and completely ignore when other people previously use it to support their side?
 

EagleSmack

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They also counted every young person that would be allowed to stay on their parents health care plan as newly enrolled. Reason was that they would have had to get insurance so they figured it would be a way to boost their already fictitious numbers.

Lol, you seem to be talking about yourself.

Funny... the person that answered me was the one I was talking to.

 

BornRuff

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This stretching the truth and playing with libwurds is hilarious re: barrycare.

1.5 million.

the rest are supplementary add-ons, drops, recaptures, diversions, half sign ups, repeat clients or maybe imaginary fone mongrels. Or something.

Anyway kids, it's like that lyin' sack of flabby sh!t Peter Griffin telling Lois he went for his physical when he didn't. When she asks him what the doc said, Peter says he told him he was 'in too good of shape'. Very believable natch.

bamacare...too good of shape. :lol:

Is this still all based on the Ann Coulter Tweet?