Latest problem with Obamacare. Too many people now have access to healthcare.

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Compose yourself.

How do explain Sequestration?
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The military cuts in the Budget Control Act were not something that the Republicans wanted. It was something that they relented to in order to achieve something else that they really really wanted.

Before that went into effect, the republicans tried to pass another bill that would restore all military funding and take the money from Food Stamps and the ACA.

You claimed that cutting military spending to pay for healthcare in the US is something that would have increased the odds of bipartisan support. By simply looking at legislative history and public comments, it is very clear that cutting military spending is not something that would attract Republicans.

In short, adding military cuts to the ACA would in no way make the deal sweeter for Republicans.
 
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With obamacare coverage some free clinics are now closing:


Free clinic in Arkansas to close, its patients now insured under Obamacare | AL.com


this reduces unemployment among health care providers while meeting that community's medical necessities





a recent poll shows obamacare with more people demanding its expansion -


New Poll Shows Voters in Red States Want to Expand Medicaid - The Daily Beast


According to new polling by Public Policy Poling conducted for MoveOn, in voters support Medicaid expansion in key states by wide margins: 52 to 35 percent in Kansas, 58 to 33 percent in Florida, 59 to 30 percent in Pennsylvania, 54 to 38 percent in Georgia. All are states where Medicaid expansion has been blocked by Republican politicians. In Virginia, where the GOP has also blocked Medicaid expansion, a previous poll found that even a majority of state Republican voters support extending coverage for the state’s low-income residents. One academic study suggests that of those 5 million, 10,000 Americans will die this year alone due to lack of insurance.
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thanks lifeblood but JLM lives in Canada not the States, if he was referring to Obama care he should have said...otherwise his post is highly misleading of the Canadian system which he also had said he has found to be good from his personal experience...so who knows what he was referring to but him...
 
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how's them big big numbers today kids? is it still millions and millions served?
 
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BornRuff said:
The military cuts in the Budget Control Act were not something that the Republicans wanted. It was something that they relented to in order to achieve something else that they really really wanted.

Before that went into effect, the republicans tried to pass another bill that would restore all military funding and take the money from Food Stamps and the ACA.

You claimed that cutting military spending to pay for healthcare in the US is something that would have increased the odds of bipartisan support. By simply looking at legislative history and public comments, it is very clear that cutting military spending is not something that would attract Republicans.

In short, adding military cuts to the ACA would in no way make the deal sweeter for Republicans.
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Isn't it a fact that Obama has cut military spending? Why is that the case?
 
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Isn't it a fact that Obama has cut military spending? Why is that the case?
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Why are you asking about Obama now? Your point was about the Republicans, who have made it very clear that they are against the proposed budget cuts to the military, and that is a drop in the bucket compared to what would be required to fund healthcare for everyone.
 
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Why are you asking about Obama now? Your point was about the Republicans, who have made it very clear that they are against the proposed budget cuts to the military, and that is a drop in the bucket compared to what would be required to fund healthcare for everyone.
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Do tea party republicans and conventional establishment republicans hold the same views regarding military spending?

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When 100% of the pie is less than 100% of the pie used to be sompuns gotta give!
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That's nice.
 
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. Some people take a dim view of funding programs for druggies and alcoholics. Maybe you could start a thread listing programs and waste that should be terminated to support healthcare and see what the other posters think! -:) There's a good "homework" assignment for a Saturday night! -:) Good luck.
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What is your opinion of the Social housing locale in Vancouver that gives residents a bottle of beer or 1 shot every hour to keep them from committing crimes or panhandling for booze money?

Would it not work the same for heroin, coke and meth junkies?
 
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As I understand it, Australia has a public/private system that works OK.

And I don't think we'll dump it. Unfortunately, government programmes of this size tend to take on a life of their own, and continue no matter how expensive or ineffective they are. Especially when the programme in question is a license to print money for the medical and insurance industries.
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You cannot call Obamacare even a public/private system. It is Private health care pure and simple. I can't believe that the Insurance Industry didn't draft the wording of the legislation as boon to business.
 
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Don't answer a question with a question. It's rude. We are discussing the internal dynamics of the republican party.

Do tea party republicans believe in small govt.? Can a small govt. maintain a large standing military force?
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No, we are talking about how they might get bipartisan support for the Affordable Care Act.

I have referred to actual votes and statements made by elected officials on these issues.

Remember how the Tea Party lead a shutdown of the government over trying to defund the ACA? I certainly never heard them say anything close to "we would be fine with it if it came with cuts to military spending".
 
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No, we are talking about how they might get bipartisan support for the Affordable Care Act.

I have referred to actual votes and statements made by elected officials on these issues.

Remember how the Tea Party lead a shutdown of the government over trying to defund the ACA? I certainly never heard them say anything close to "we would be fine with it if it came with cuts to military spending".
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Don't set up straw men. We're talking past each other. I'm not suggesting tea party conservatives/libertarians would have supported the ACA. My contention is that they don't support a large standing military force. We were discussing whether or not any conservatives/libertarians could have been persuaded to support cuts to defense spending which the leftists could have used to fund the ACA instead of increasing deficit spending.

However, some establishment republicans who accommodate the leftists could have been co-opted to support the ACA. It would have required the leftists to have agreed to some of the establishment republicans policies, e.g., drastic tort reform and permitting the sale of health insurance against state lines in order to use competitive forces to restrain costs.
 
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Don't set up straw men. We're talking past each other. I'm not suggesting tea party conservatives/libertarians would have supported the ACA. My contention is that they don't support a large standing military force. We were discussing whether or not any conservatives/libertarians could have been persuaded to support cuts to defense spending which the leftists could have used to fund the ACA instead of increasing deficit spending.
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This entire thread is explicitly about the ACA. You specifically mentioned this as a way to gain bipartisan support for the ACA.

If you can get a few republicans to vote for military spending cuts completely separate from the ACA, that in no way implies any sort of bipartisan support for the ACA.

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However, some establishment republicans who accommodate the leftists could have been co-opted to support the ACA. It would have required the leftists to have agreed to some of the establishment republicans policies, e.g., drastic tort reform and permitting the sale of health insurance against state lines in order to use competitive forces to restrain costs.
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There was 100's of millions of dollars in PAC money just waiting to mercilessly attack any republican who even showed a hint of being anything but 1000% against the ACA. Relatively minor changes like this would not have allowed Republicans off the hook, and even if it brought a few over, it probably would have driven more democrats away.
 
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Census Survey Revisions Mask Health Law Effects

WASHINGTON — The Census Bureau, the authoritative source of health insurance data for more than three decades, is changing its annual survey so thoroughly that it will be difficult to measure the effects of President Obama’s health care law in the next report, due this fall, census officials said.

The changes are intended to improve the accuracy of the survey, being conducted this month in interviews with tens of thousands of households around the country. But the new questions are so different that the findings will not be comparable, the officials said.

An internal Census Bureau document said that the new questionnaire included a “total revision to health insurance questions” and, in a test last year, produced lower estimates of the uninsured. Thus, officials said, it will be difficult to say how much of any change is attributable to the Affordable Care Act and how much to the use of a new survey instrument.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/census-survey-revisions-mask-health-law-effects.html
 
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According to these reports the rates have gone downward:



2012 = Mass. healthcare premiums down 5% - UPI.com

2013 = Health insurance premiums in Massachusetts drop for a second year


2014 = Springtime for the Affordable Care Act - Health Stew - Boston.com
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Ahhhh... right. They count the subsidized ones to jimmy the numbers.

Then reality hits.

Rate Shock Massachusetts Edition: 60% Of Small Biz To See Premiums Rise, Up To 97% - Forbes

Massachusetts works to address the nation's highest health insurance premiums | masslive.com

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Remember how the Tea Party lead a shutdown of the government over trying to defund the ACA? ".
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The Tea Party did that?

 
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This entire thread is explicitly about the ACA. You specifically mentioned this as a way to gain bipartisan support for the ACA.
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I think you've misinterpreted my posts on the subject.

QUOTE]If you can get a few republicans to vote for military spending cuts completely separate from the ACA, that in no way implies any sort of bipartisan support for the ACA.[/QUOTE]

You miss the point. Reduced military spending cuts the budget deficit and frees federal monies for Obama's health care scheme.



There was 100's of millions of dollars in PAC money just waiting to mercilessly attack any republican who even showed a hint of being anything but 1000% against the ACA. Relatively minor changes like this would not have allowed Republicans off the hook, and even if it brought a few over, it probably would have driven more democrats away.
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That's mere supposition on your part. You're simply trying to justify the extremist refusal to reach out to conservatives and libertarians.

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Who do you think lead that?
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You're Canadian aren't you?
 
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