Largest oil drop in history underway, analysts say

Avro52

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Credit Suisse thinks the company is better suited for the transition to electric... How many decades that will be is in question, but Tesla will not be around to see that

Indeed.

I've been hearing about the demise of Tesla for years and yet it still plods along continuing to bring new product to market. Will the big established automakers squeeze them out? Maybe, but one thing for sure is the electric car is going to be on the market one way or another.

....and no, unlike Hoid, I don't believe the internal combustion engine is going away this century but I like the idea, as a consumer, to make the choice of which format I'd prefer. Charging a car at home using solar is something I'm aiming for.
 

spilledthebeer

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'Fraid not bud.


No need to 'bribe' BC - ultimately, they need eastern access and, well, the border line-up at the 1 approved crossing requiring an over night check for each vehicle or rail car would be troublesome.


That said, BC does (currently) rely on Western oil and natural gas for their economy... No problem for them to access oil from Russia or the USA but the cost will be measurably higher and need those pesky terminals to receive and store the incoming product.


The LNG plants proposed for BC will require AB/SK natural gas in addition to BC gas... Lots of jobs in building/operating those plants/pipelines.. Hell, lots of $$ for the BC gvt in royalties from the gas sales - but alas, no AB/SK gas - no LNG plants... Folks in BC aren't idiots (lower mainland excepted), it's the vocal minority that grab the headlines, everyone else are practical people not living in a fantasy world

As far as Western oil goes, the majority goes by pipeline and rail to the USA who upgrade the oil and sell it back to - wait for it - Eastern Canada!

Yep, the Americans will still buy lots of Western oil, mark it up and sell it as eco-friendly oil to Ontario and Que.

In the end, any Western jurisdiction that separates will see an immediate financial bennie in NOT paying Cdn fed taxes and paying even more in equalization.

It's a no-brainer bud, all one needs to do is see the obvious






Oh how wonderful for you! You get to DREAM IN TECHNICOLOUR!


For one thing THERE IS a land connection between B.C and the east - it is called North West Territories and Yukon!


Secondly - since Alberta produces SO LITTLE except oil and wheat - it will NEED to be highly cooperative with other



FOREIGN govts in Ottawa and Washington to get food and clothing and auto parts and etc! Thus Alberta WILL NOT mess around



like a Soviet Socialist Republic holding up decadent foreigners at the "border" entry to Wexit Land!





As for access to Yankee oil - FORGET THAT NOW - for the same reason Quebec Separatists got SHUT DOWN!



Alberta WILL CONTINUE PAYING ITS SHARE OF FEDERAL DEBT! Otherwise Washington will SHUT YOU DOWN!


You WILL NOT be able to enter into ANY international trade agreements UNTIL and unless you deal with the DEBTS!


As for natural gas plants so many people INCLUDING Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals DO NOT want those plants or the



pipelines that support them - the reality is IT WILL BE EASIER for Canada TO DO WITHOUT Alberta gas!


As for Alberta gas being re-sold to eastern Canada - YOU WERE NOT LISTENING when I pointed out that LOTS OF YANKEES



WANT the Cdn oil patch SHUT DOWN as it makes Yankee HOLDINGS MORE VALUABLE by limiting supplies!


YOU DO RECALL that old economic deal about "supply and demand" RIGHT?


You are engaged in a NASTY SPITTING CONTEST that is unpleasant for all but which Alberta WILL LOOSE IN THE END!


Considering the debts being run up by Washington - JUST HOW CHARITABLE will they be


to a Republic of Alberta THAT CANNOT PAY ITS DEBTS - AND STILL EXPECTS A FREE RIDE?


As I have stated - Alberta HAS LOTS of legit beefs with Ottawa!



But Wexit is a STILLBORN and DEFORMED Political MESS!
 

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What makes you think BC and Saskatchewan won't join the party? It isn't just Alberta that is being treated like a disease by Ottawa.

I wouldn't discount Manitoba, and Northern Ont. outside of Winterpeg they are all pro West, Northern Ont. would like to join Manitoba and get out of Southern Ontario's control.
 

captain morgan

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Indeed.

I've been hearing about the demise of Tesla for years and yet it still plods along continuing to bring new product to market. Will the big established automakers squeeze them out? Maybe, but one thing for sure is the electric car is going to be on the market one way or another.

....and no, unlike Hoid, I don't believe the internal combustion engine is going away this century but I like the idea, as a consumer, to make the choice of which format I'd prefer. Charging a car at home using solar is something I'm aiming for.


Look at the company and get back to me on it's survivability.


it's been drowning in debt for years, still hasn't delivered on the autos that they've accepted deposits on, NEVER has generated a profit and has muddied it's business plan with space programs, battery products (Tesla Wall - what a joke), etc.


They are doomed


Oh how wonderful for you! You get to DREAM IN TECHNICOLOUR!


For one thing THERE IS a land connection between B.C and the east - it is called North West Territories and Yukon!


Secondly - since Alberta produces SO LITTLE except oil and wheat - it will NEED to be highly cooperative with other



FOREIGN govts in Ottawa and Washington to get food and clothing and auto parts and etc! Thus Alberta WILL NOT mess around



like a Soviet Socialist Republic holding up decadent foreigners at the "border" entry to Wexit Land!





As for access to Yankee oil - FORGET THAT NOW - for the same reason Quebec Separatists got SHUT DOWN!



Alberta WILL CONTINUE PAYING ITS SHARE OF FEDERAL DEBT! Otherwise Washington will SHUT YOU DOWN!


You WILL NOT be able to enter into ANY international trade agreements UNTIL and unless you deal with the DEBTS!


As for natural gas plants so many people INCLUDING Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals DO NOT want those plants or the



pipelines that support them - the reality is IT WILL BE EASIER for Canada TO DO WITHOUT Alberta gas!


As for Alberta gas being re-sold to eastern Canada - YOU WERE NOT LISTENING when I pointed out that LOTS OF YANKEES



WANT the Cdn oil patch SHUT DOWN as it makes Yankee HOLDINGS MORE VALUABLE by limiting supplies!


YOU DO RECALL that old economic deal about "supply and demand" RIGHT?


You are engaged in a NASTY SPITTING CONTEST that is unpleasant for all but which Alberta WILL LOOSE IN THE END!


Considering the debts being run up by Washington - JUST HOW CHARITABLE will they be


to a Republic of Alberta THAT CANNOT PAY ITS DEBTS - AND STILL EXPECTS A FREE RIDE?


As I have stated - Alberta HAS LOTS of legit beefs with Ottawa!



But Wexit is a STILLBORN and DEFORMED Political MESS!


Keep telling yourself that bud.. Oh, and best of luck constructing those major highways and rail lines in the permafrost and muskeg.
 

Avro52

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Chess pieces are falling into place

 

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I wouldn't discount Manitoba, and Northern Ont. outside of Winterpeg they are all pro West, Northern Ont. would like to join Manitoba and get out of Southern Ontario's control.
I could see that happening as well. Not sure what it will do to the maritimes as they will die without transfer payments.
 

spilledthebeer

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I wouldn't discount Manitoba, and Northern Ont. outside of Winterpeg they are all pro West, Northern Ont. would like to join Manitoba and get out of Southern Ontario's control.




That`s odd - I have heard Northern Ontari-owe wants to become its OWN PROVINCE!


But then of course Toronto wants to become its own PROVINCE as well!


The active ingredient in each absurd wish is to escape from DEBT held by the OLD PROVINCE!


And to start with a CLEAN SLATE and run up MORE DEBT within the BRAND NEW PROVINCE!


Jackass John Tory has been DREAMING FOR at least 6 years for some way of RAISING MORE REVENUE for the city!


And ALL HIS IDEAS either dump debt onto others outside "his' province or would create massive NEW DEBT!



And of course these dreams of running away WILL NOT WORK!



And Northern Ontari-owe has whined for a DECADE or more about cheap ass LIE-berals preventing them from developing their hydro



electric options and opening new mines and etc - and those people apparently DO NOT READ newspapers because they seem to



think that Northern Ontari-owe natives will NOT hold the New Province to ransom the same way that B.C. natives have been doing!



even MORE ABSURD - Norhern Ontari-owe seems to think it will somehow BE IMMUNE to international pressures from



environmentalists like Grumpy Greta The Demon Swede!



One has only to recall Quebec and its "Sovereignty Association" economic concept that was HIDING



A POLITICAL ABORTION!


Quebec Separatists had discovered that NOBODY would loan them more money -because both Canada and Quebec were bankrupt


and a failure by uebec to pay its share of debt would then cripple the rest of Canada and when Canada defaulted -



then Washington would suffer from lost interest payments and Yankees get CRABBY about stupid Socialists who borrow



and then DO NOT PAY!



So the Blockheads came up with Sovereignty Association - with the KEY POINT being they WOULD ONLY PAY INTEREST on


what they LAUGHINGLY CALLED their FAIR SHARE of the debt!


And of course there would be NO OPTION OTHER THAN ALL OUT WAR if Quebec eventually CHOSE NOT to pay that interest!


We are BANKRUPT! And there is NO WAY to split up the country AND END UP WITH MORE!


And we should also recall that we ARE FACING TARIFFS on softwood limber and dairy products BECAUSE Our idiot Boy Justin


is refusing to spend on Cdn national security - and a NEW Republic of Alberta would be pressured HEAVILY



to pay for a "suitable" military! Meaning that the Alberta share of Cdn defense spending would HAVE TO INCREASE



BY 400 PERCENT in order to avoid getting hit with Yankee tariffs!



Wexit is a dead baby - STILLBORN! Just like the Blockhead Quebec dream! And just like any new province of Toronto!


And just like any new province of North Ontari-owe!


The Wexidiots who think they can get a better deal from Washington had better stop smoking that wacky stuff!


Washington has just as many environmentalists as Ottawa - you just cannot see them behind oil company lobbyists!


Washington has just as many tax mad Socialists as Ottawa and they MAY TAKE OVER FROM TRUMP later this year!


Washington has LIMITED health care for most ordinary people and THAT ALONE should scare Wexidiots - because at least in



Canada YOU CAN BE UNEMPLOYED AND STILL GET INTO a HOSPITAL if you need to!


IN Washington an unemployed person is a CHARITY CASE - begging for medical aid!


Washington ALSO HAS a bunch of people DEDICATED to shutting down the ENTIRE Cdn oil patch



in order to MAKE THEIR OWN HOLDINGS MORE VALUABLE!


Many Wexidiots believe they will SAVE tax money by cutting ties to Ottawa!


They ARE DREAMING IN TECHNICOLOUR!


Firstly - ALL contributions to Canada Pension Plan - made by Albertans WOULD BE GONE - swallowed up by Ottawa!


Second - who really thinks that Ottawa under a LIE-beral govt would continue paying civil service union HOG PENSIONS



to HOG inhabitants of Alberta - meaning any retired HOG living on his federal HOG OTTAWA supplied govt pension WOULD BE



INSTANTLY BANKRUPT because Ottawa would regard them as FOREIGNERS living in a Country NOTED for its HOSTILITY to


Ottawa and WOULD CUT THEM OFF - unless they moved back to "Canada"!


Thus ANY OLD FOLKS living in Alberta be UNLIKELY to vote for Wexit!


And in related news - how many older folks are going to support a political movement that may end up strongly supporting


A USER PAY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM? Old folks will scream loud enough to be heard in Ottawa!



In related news - ALL Cdn natives living on reserves get their gravy FROM OTTAWA and during the Quebec referendum


NO NATIVES supported the separatist cause! They wanted to STAY with Canada!


And considering what B.C. specifically and Canada generally went through with the Native Blockades - ANY NEW PROVINCE


whether it be Northern Ontari-owe or Republic of Alberta would face disruption and chaos on a FANTASTIC SCALE if natives figured



they were going to be forced into a RAW DEAL!


The only people who believe in Wexit are idiots who have taken TOO MANY MIND EXPANDING DRUGS!


Their heads are blown up like helium balloons!



After the Wexidiots sober up - they should devote their energy to helping other sensible Cdns TO GET RID of


Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals!


Frankly we can expect that in the next few years we will be looking at FANTASTIC RATES of yearly inflation!


We arev going to spend AT LEAST SIX MONTHS living on cheques printed up by Ottawa - with NOTHING BUT LIE-eral



promises and HOT AIR behind them! We are operating our economy on the same principle as a CON ARTIST



KITING CHEQUES in multiple bank accounts and that WILL catch up with us eventually!


Thus we have compelling FINANCIAL REASONS for Wexit to be aborted!
 

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Quebec Separatists had discovered that NOBODY would loan them more money -because both Canada and Quebec were bankrupt


That's because Que had nothing anyone wanted

We are BANKRUPT! And there is NO WAY to split up the country AND END UP WITH MORE!
And we should also recall that we ARE FACING TARIFFS on softwood limber and dairy products BECAUSE Our idiot Boy Justin
is refusing to spend on Cdn national security - and a NEW Republic of Alberta would be pressured HEAVILY
to pay for a "suitable" military! Meaning that the Alberta share of Cdn defense spending would HAVE TO INCREASE
BY 400 PERCENT in order to avoid getting hit with Yankee tariffs!

The West has something that the US wants

Wexit is a dead baby - STILLBORN! Just like the Blockhead Quebec dream! And just like any new province of Toronto!


The Wexidiots who think they can get a better deal from Washington had better stop smoking that wacky stuff!

We will

Many Wexidiots believe they will SAVE tax money by cutting ties to Ottawa!


Save a ton not transferring all that wealth to fund the East.. And far less federal taxes (not going to Ottawa)


They ARE DREAMING IN TECHNICOLOUR!

Technicolor - sounds extra fancy



Firstly - ALL contributions to Canada Pension Plan - made by Albertans WOULD BE GONE - swallowed up by Ottawa!

Nope and if Ottawa tried, it'd be deducted against any relative debt obligation



Second - who really thinks that Ottawa under a LIE-beral govt would continue paying civil service union HOG PENSIONS to HOG inhabitants of Alberta - meaning any retired HOG living on his federal HOG OTTAWA supplied govt pension WOULD BE INSTANTLY BANKRUPT because Ottawa would regard them as FOREIGNERS living in a Country NOTED for its HOSTILITY to Thus ANY OLD FOLKS living in Alberta be UNLIKELY to vote for Wexit!

They are civil servants of the Fed gvt - who the fukk cares?



In related news - ALL Cdn natives living on reserves get their gravy FROM OTTAWA and during the Quebec referendum NO NATIVES supported the separatist cause! They wanted to STAY with Canada!


Que only offered servitude to those FNs.


After the Wexidiots sober up - they should devote their energy to helping other sensible Cdns TO GET RID of Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals!


Eastern Canada voted him in... You twats shoudl do the heavy lifting on that file


Thus we have compelling FINANCIAL REASONS for Wexit to be aborted!


Compelling reasons for Eastern Canada - not so much for the West
 

spilledthebeer

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That's because Que had nothing anyone wanted



The West has something that the US wants



We will




Save a ton not transferring all that wealth to fund the East.. And far less federal taxes (not going to Ottawa)




Technicolor - sounds extra fancy





Nope and if Ottawa tried, it'd be deducted against any relative debt obligation





They are civil servants of the Fed gvt - who the fukk cares?






Que only offered servitude to those FNs.





Eastern Canada voted him in... You twats shoudl do the heavy lifting on that file





Compelling reasons for Eastern Canada - not so much for the West






Oh Cap! If any Yankees come to Calgary or Edmonton to discuss this Wexit crap - the Alberta leaders had better NOT



LET YOU LOOSE to offer your economic wisdom!


With the kind of economic knowledge you have just offered - Alberta is LIABLE TO END UP AS A COLONY!


OWNED BY Newfoundland!