Khadr's lawyers want names of U.S. interrogators

[EagleSmack]

Speaking of heads not screwed on straight, you're still expressing the same mentality of Omar being 100% guilty of the acusations, when everyday that goes by, it's showing more and more that everything against him has been fabricated by the US military to make an example.

And you are saying he is 100% innocent when he was found holed up with the people that we are fighting. There are videos pictures and his own statements.

And the typical response of "Oh do they show humanity? Why Should we?"

Did I say that? Are you quoting me?

#1 - They have indeed shown humanity and mercy, and many cases in point have been times when they released hostages. Those who were released say they've been treated well, fed, etc...... now we look at the US.... your kind. Capturing kids, shooting them twice in the back, contemplating killing him to make things easier, fabricated the reports, kept him in a hospital with crap medical treatment for 10 months, tortured the kid, threatened the kid with rape and being attacked by dogs..... apparently he can't even see very well anymore due to injuries at the hands of the US.

No... I don't think head is screwed on straight either. Mercy like sawing off heads? Executing every captured soldier thus far. Are there any Al Queda or Taliban POW camps?

Please Prax...I love how you say capturing kids then shooting them twice in the back. We are not so gullable and foolish statements as this makes us laugh and makes you look silly and a spaz. What do you think those US soldiers are doing to him in those photos after he got shot. He is being treated. He is being treated a lot better than our soldiers have been when captured. Not a one has made it back.

You tell me who shows more humanity

. Do you guys even know what the hell that word even means anymore?

We do but it seems you folks have lost so much more in your quest to be different and anti-American. It is sad really how the bad apples of Canada have caused so much discontent for the rest.

#2 - Stooping to their level, if that even was their level, isn't proving anything except your country's own limitations and ability to remove emotions from actual decision making. If the above is proven true that Canada also added to Omars situation in a false manner, then crap should be flying here as well over the matter.

Like I said...I hope he is let go. You folks deserve him and give him and his family a ticker tape parade.

#3 - Arar just went through the same crap.... he was supposed to be a Taliban Terrorist or whatever you want to label him as.... he was tortured and detained for months by you guys until he confessed to whatever your thugs wanted him to. He's been cleared of all the acusations, and he went after our government/RCMP for their involvement in what they did to his life and his family.

Not familiar with this case but it looks like you guys showed a lack of humanity. :lol:

#4 - No matter how much emotion you want to fill into this subject towards some (at the time) 15 year old kid and where he was found and the charges against him..... there is still basic rights all humans deserve..... FFS Charles Manson got more rights then this kid, WTF is the logic in your country? Innocent until proven guilty, and it's looking like his guilty is flying out the window.

Now who is getting emotional here? Completely different case altogether wouldn't you think? I do not think anything is flying out the window. What you have is a lawyer trying to get his client off and using the media and the wave of anti-war opposition. He is appealing to the numbed senses of people who will believe what they want no matter what evidence.

 

[Praxius]

I have been reading all your posts very carefully, but have a question to ask.

Does anyone remember in the beginning it was reported that the family had gone to Afghanistan because they were supporters of el Qaeda, meaning the father which meant that the family followed. Also the father was killed fighting with el Qaeda. How many fathers have indoctrinated their sons to follow in their footsteps? Could it be the son is being held responsible for the sins of the father? Or could he have been at the wrong place at the wrong time because of his father.

There are too many unanswered questions and too much secrecy for us to get a clear picture. We do not have all the facts therefore anything put forward is speculation. All anyone can hope is that he gets a fair trial.

Indeed there is, but based on available information, that seems about right on what occured to him.

 

[Praxius]

And you are saying he is 100% innocent when he was found holed up with the people that we are fighting. There are videos pictures and his own statements.

Yes yes yes.... the statements which are currently being looked into in regards to him being tortured to get those statements. Is he 100% innocent? In proper law, yes he is until he is proven guilty. Videos and Pictures in which I have seen do not prove anything for or against him in this matter. He was holed up in a compound with other fighters..... tell me the ages of those other fighters? Do you know if there were any other teenagers or children in that compound in which attacked these soldiers, or was he the only one?

What was this compound? A common house for a family or was it a military base or compound at a remote location or check point? Did he have any weapons in his hands when he was hiding in the corner of the compound when those troops shot him twice in the back?

You're already fighting a lost battle if you're still going on old information towards his guilt.

Did I say that? Are you quoting me?

Hmmmm.....

"Humanity and justice...where has the likes of Omar's Al Queda and Taliban ever provided that? But hey...as long as they are fighting and in opposition to the US they are ok by you!"

^ Exactly what else did you mean by the above?

No... I don't think head is screwed on straight either. Mercy like sawing off heads? Executing every captured soldier thus far. Are there any Al Queda or Taliban POW camps?

Your country has the strangle hold on the media over there, you tell me.

Please Prax...I love how you say capturing kids then shooting them twice in the back. We are not so gullable and foolish statements as this makes us laugh and makes you look silly and a spaz.

Deerrr... it sounds silly and I sound like a spaz for stating facts in the case?

Your troops captured a 15 year old boy, which had two entry wounds in his back and two large exit wounds in his chest.... common sense once again, would tell you he was shot twice in the back. You know, unless you guys invented those Reverse-A-Bullets or something.

What do you think those US soldiers are doing to him in those photos after he got shot. He is being treated. He is being treated a lot better than our soldiers have been when captured. Not a one has made it back.

Now is that in reference to Afghanistan or Iraq, or counting both together in that assertion? Have records to back that up?

We do but it seems you folks have lost so much more in your quest to be different and anti-American. It is sad really how the bad apples of Canada have caused so much discontent for the rest.

a few bad apples in Canada towards the US? It's more like a rotten bag up here ready to be chucked over the border. But hey.... attempt to side track the original point being made, doesn't phase me any. You're still going on this holier then thou Super American witch hunt attitude on anybody who "Seems" to have some sort of guilt... and thus, you've lost whatever humanity there was left in this matter.

Don't like it? Call it Anti-American? Don't care.... that's how I see it, and that's the impression you and others like you give off.

Like I said...I hope he is let go. You folks deserve him and give him and his family a ticker tape parade.

And yet once again, you still think I'd love to adopt the kid and have his face on my box of Shreddies in the morning..... I want a ligit and fair trial and for him to be judged properly, not be thrown in this joke of a system your president thought up in some Coke binge haze.

Not familiar with this case but it looks like you guys showed a lack of humanity. :lol:

Ha ha... yeah nice try. The RCMP at the most screwed up on their information and suggested the wrong things..... it was your country directly which took action and sent him off to Syria to be tortured. Saying is one thing, Doing is another. Our RCMP and the Government gave Arar an official apology and compensation for what he and his family went through.

Do you know what the US did for him? Not a damn thing except to say that "his situation was unfortunate." ~ Our country admited responsibility for their actions in this matter, you're didn't.... which is quite typical thus far. (Never you're guys' fault for anything, it's always someone else's)

Now who is getting emotional here? Completely different case altogether wouldn't you think? I do not think anything is flying out the window. What you have is a lawyer trying to get his client off and using the media and the wave of anti-war opposition. He is appealing to the numbed senses of people who will believe what they want no matter what evidence.

To believe what they want no matter what evidence? Don't forget your country's evidence is already starting and being proved to be fabricated and full of lies / contradictions.

I wasn't getting emotional, I was making a basic point. Completely different cases? An adult serial killer who is pretty well proud of what he did and now has a comfy place to live, food and exercise everyday at the tax payer's expense.... the other is a 15 year old kid who was found in the wrong place at the wrong time, who was sent off to be tortured, beaten, shot, locked away for years and dubbed guilty before he even set foot in his cell.... whom at the very worst and if was true.... killed one person.... one soldier in a combat situation.

You don't see anything screwed up at all with this?

Never mind.

 

[Praxius]

Update:

Maha Elsamnah (white niqab), mother of Omar Khadr, who is in Guantanimo Bay military prison, along with her daughter, in black, leave the Supreme Court of Canada in Ottawa on Wednesday, March 26, 2008. (Tom Hanson / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

SCC reserves decision on Omar Khadr case
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Canada's top court will wait until a later date to rule on the Omar Khadr case. It reserved judgment on the former child soldier's case after hearing arguments Wednesday from his lawyers and the federal government.

Justice Department lawyers went before the court, arguing for a reversal of a lower court decision that would see Ottawa forced to disclose confidential documents relating to Khadr's case.......

.....Khadr's lawyers want the government to release classified documents obtained by Canadian officials who interrogated Khadr at Guantanamo after his arrival.

The Federal Court of Appeal agreed with Khadr's lawyers last year, ordering the government to release thousands of pages of files.

But the Crown appealed the decision, bringing the issue before the SCC.

Lawyers for the federal government told the SCC Wednesday that Khadr's team is on a fishing expedition that could compromise sensitive information.

Sameer Zuberi, a spokesperson for the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, told CTV Newsnet late Wednesday afternoon that Ottawa has made a similar argument in past cases, most notably in the Maher Arar inquiry.

Arar was the Canadian citizen who the U.S. sent to Syria after a 2002 stopover in New York. The RCMP wrongly suggested Arar had terrorist links, and the Syrians tortured the Canadian for 10 months.

Zuberi said parts of the Arar inquiry report were "redacted, they were not released to the public, (but) later on they were. Those released sections -- it was shown that the only reason why they were not released was because they were an embarrassment to the government and to intelligence agencies. So, the question is: is this what is happening again?"

SCOC arguments

Despite Ottawa's security claims regarding the documents, SCC judges challenged Justice Department lawyer Robert Frater, asking him to reveal which authorities in the U.S. received the confidential information.

Frater was also challenged to say if Canadian authorities issued any stipulation or restrictions on how the U.S. could use the information, reports The Globe and Mail.
"Obviously it was shared for a purpose," Justice Ian Binnie said. "You are the one who knew how it was shared and whether there were restrictions."

Binnie said Frater could not expect Khadr's lawyers to figure out how central the information was to the U.S. decision to lay murder charges against Khadr if they are unaware of how Canada supplied the information, reports The Globe.

Frater argued that Khadr's lawyers should seek disclosure through the U.S. courts as Canada is not the investigator or the prosecutor in the case.

"If we take a look at the questions the Supreme Court judges were asking to the federal lawyers, it seems that it may be possible that they will say: 'hand over the information to Omar Khadr's defence council,'" said Zuberi.

Khadr's rights

Earlier Wednesday, defence lawyer Dennis Edney told CTV's Canada AM that the information Canadian officials obtained is now being used against Khadr in Guantanamo.
"They violated so many of his rights and in the course of doing that they interrogated him off and on for days and then they provided that evidence and information to the Americans," he said.

Edney said 99 per cent of the documents his team has received from the Canadian government have been blacked out.

"We say he's entitled to that information because he needs to have a fair trial," he said. "The process is already tainted enough over there and he's entitled, as a Canadian citizen, to that disclosure."

Khadr's American lawyer, Lieutenant-Commander William Kuebler, told CTV's Canada AM on Wednesday that the documents will be especially important if his client faces a trial at Guantanamo Bay.

"We think those are very important for purposes of his defence... because what those documents may show is what exactly the U.S. government knew in reality about the facts relating to Omar's capture when he was first taken into custody," said Kuebler.

"More importantly for Canada, what those documents may show is whether the Canadian government was sold privately the same myth -- the same bill of goods -- that the U.S. government sold publicly about the facts surrounding Omar's capture in Afghanistan."

Meanwhile, Khadr's Canadian lawyers also want the hearing to highlight the way their client's case has been handled overall. They claim his treatment does not meet international standards of fairness.

"We're saying that you're not a second-class citizen when you step across the border or any border outside the geographical boundaries of Canada," said Edney.