Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church

tibear

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The church does NOT come and tell you you're to be a priest if you do not tell them you are interested. They will decide if you are suited or not, but only after you've come forward.

I'm aware of why the church doesn't ordain women currently, but if the women sit quietly back and say nothing, nothing will change. It is not beholden to them to shut up and wait.

Karrie, I take it you are Catholic. Have you never had a "Called forward" program where parishionners are asked to put forward people they feel have a calling to holy life? Then the parish priest goes and speaks with those individuals to see if they have similar feelings. Many people struggle while trying to decern as to whether they have a call to holy life and sometimes getting confirmation from others gives them the confidence to move forward.

You're right many men do come to the Church and say they have a calling to the priesthood but that is not the only way it happens. And I personally know some men who have gone to the Church with a perceived calling but after going to seminary and discussing it with Church officials have been told that it was felt by the Church that there wasn't a true calling to the priesthood.
 

karrie

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Yes tibear.... the church and the person have to get along. Lots of people who come forward get weeded out for a plethora of reasons.

And yes, I've seen them ask if someone is missing their vocation. But, note the church needs other people to tell them if someone is suitable for a vocation. They aren't omnipotent and they aren't showing up Sunday telling you 'God said you need to a priest now, enjoy'.

Women don't need to sit silently by and wait to be told what roles and vocations they're being called to in the church.
 

tibear

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Yes tibear.... the church and the person have to get along. Lots of people who come forward get weeded out for a plethora of reasons.

And yes, I've seen them ask if someone is missing their vocation. But, note the church needs other people to tell them if someone is suitable for a vocation. They aren't omnipotent and they aren't showing up Sunday telling you 'God said you need to a priest now, enjoy'.

Women don't need to sit silently by and wait to be told what roles and vocations they're being called to in the church.

Whoa, I think you misunderstood me. The Church absolutely needs women, without them I'm not sure there would be a Church and absolutely the faithfull have an obligation to tell the Church hierarchy how they feel the Church is being run.

I just explained the problem the Church is grappling with in respect to female ordination. The perceived example given to the Church by Christ's picking of his disciples.

By no means is the Church hierarchy omnipotent and perfect, far from it because after all it is made of human beings and we all fall short.

So we need to speak up but let the Holy Spirit do it's work internally as well.
 

tibear

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How can they not be excommunicated, they have consciously decided to go directly against Church teaching in defiance of Church hierarchy. It would be treated like a person who participates actively in the abortion industry. Automatic excommunication.
 

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... and the entire congregation is a "royal priesthood" with no distinction based on gender
 

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The new "priest" certainly doesn't sound like the forgiving type. At least from what is said in the opening post I don't believe she is priest material.
Good point. Now we can see if the RCC is forgiving enough to accept her being a priest.

It seems to be all about her and not about God.
Well, perhaps just this little time in her life, but I really doubt she is or has been exclusive about the spook ALL the time.

As I said, most of these women seem to want power rather than do God's work.
And that would balance out the old geezers that desperately want to cling to the church's power rather than share it.

I would say that she didn't need to go through the Church to do God's work.

If she really wanted to be part of the Church than she would work inside the Church to change it, NOT going to the media and working against the Church.
lmao You really think that's never been tried before and that the old fuddy duddies in the Vatican would allow such a thing? Might as well tell veggieheads that ground beef makes good mashed spuds.

Honestly, to say 'I am drawn to serve god through mass.' is a far cry from essentially saying it's about showing the boys what's what.

Personally, I don't think female priests would be a bad idea. But, female priests who 'are tired of having octogenarian men tell us what's what'.... well... they're going to have an awfully hard time being Catholic priests. lol.
Personally, I think if the RCC ever loosens up, ANY female priests are going to have a hard time for a long time to come anyway.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. They need to concentrate on doing good and let the rest take care of itself.
Like those old geezers in the Vatican do? lol
Heck, it took almost 2000 years for the Church to admit that people outside the Church could go to heaven, things will change but at God's pace which in the Church seems to be extremely slowly.
You presume to know your god's pace? interesting. If the fairy tales are true, your god can work at lightning speeds.

Unfortunately, the Church believes that the "call" comes from the Church to the person, not from the person to the Church. That is, a man can go to the Church and say that they have a calling from God to be a priest but if the Church doesn't see the calling then there will be no ordination.

Right now the Church believes it has an obligation to follow Christ's example of only choosing men to be his disciples. Perhaps in the future, the Church's leaders will feel that they don't have to follow Christ's example in this matter and females will be called to the priesthood, however until the leaders overcome the belief that Christ gave them that example there will be no female priests.

That is the crux of the matter.
Perhaps it is the crux of the issue, but that means the RCC is injecting itself between your god and people, which seems to suggest that the bureaucracy judges itself to be qualified to be the go-between. I mean if your god calls someone, what grounds does the RCC have to consider itself judge and jury about whether your god meant to call the person or was just joking?

The issue with female ordination is that the Church currently believes that Christ chose only men as his disciples and as such, the Church has an obligation to continue this tradition. To do otherwise would go against Christ's example.
Then the RCC should not allow women that are like the women of 2000 years ago to be priests.
Until they can overcome that believe there will be no female ordinations in the Catholic Church.
:D I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Vatican to grab a bit of rationality any time soon.

Anyway, the RCC hasn't really progressed very far from the sexist attitudes it was rife with throughout the Middle Ages. That kinda puts it maybe a few inches of a pace ahead of Islam.
 

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Why spend so much time and effort seeking the appointment of men to a temporal religious office? There is no eternal spiritual inheritance in it. Why not rather seek the anointing of God by His Spirit through faith in His Son?
 

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(Reuters) - In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority.

Just wondering