Kathleen Wynne deals major blow to Tim Hortons

Murphy

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It is silly to suggest that corporations or individual business owners can afford this. Or worse, suggest that they should absorb the legislated increase. The government ordered the increase to wages. Wages are the No. 1 expense for business.

Businesses are not charities.
Businesses employ people in their communities.
In addition to paying more for hourly wages, the businesses must pay more in CPP and EI premiums. Contributions are assessed as a percentage of earnings.

Wynne just legislated another tax increase. By that I mean another way for the Ontario government to make money. She had to get it from somewhere. And it makes her tax increase look like it is the fault of business. Business becomes the fall guy.

The big winner in this is the government. They will make more in taxes.

This is a very simple example, but will illustrate how the government makes more.

An employee is being taxed at 20%, and makes $2/hr more as of 1 Jan. The government makes 40 cents more per hour in taxes from that minimum wage increase. Add to this, the number of employees in receipt of a raise, and the number of hours that business operates, paying the additional wages. The government wins.
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This discussion is too centred on Tim Hortons. McDonalds, Giant Tiger, grocery stores, etc. will feel the effects. The owners of these businesses will have to cut in other areas to compensate. Here are a few examples.

Uniforms may no longer be free or subsidized.
Benefit pkgs may be eliminated, or a higher percentage of the cost will be borne by the employee.
Employees may see reductions or elimination of employee discounts for goods or services.
Community associations/churches/volunteer groups may see fewer donations.
Layoffs may occur.

As for boycotting Timmys, or any other place for that matter, it won't work. You gotta have your daily fix.
 
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Walter

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Quite the blow the Dyke-Bitch gave Timmies cuz I see the line-ups are as long as ever at Timmies. Ouch.
 

Hoid

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It's very sad to see such corporate greed.. but that's the way society is now.

People worried that they may have to give money to a 3rd world nation to fight Climate Change so the greed turns into denial.
on the other hand $35 billion for some fighters - a great deal!
 

Jinentonix

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...and there is the problem with todays generation..

No gusto, just lie down and take it..
So how is denying a Timmy's location some revenue going to help increase the wages/benefits/hours of their employees? Less revenue equals fewer hours, or fewer employees. Which one do you prefer as you altruistically fight for them?

Yep, you do personify the problem with today's generation. Knee-jerk reactions based purely on emotion without any forethought of the possible consequences. Well done.
 
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Murphy

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Boomer is just doing what several others here also do. He's stirring the pot. The trouble is, it won't fly.

Still, it does make me laugh. Same as posts by Flossy/Hoid, all the Avro incarnations, Cannuck and his alter egos, etc.

Let them rant. It only makes them look foolish. :)
 

B00Mer

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Boomer is just doing what several others here also do. He's stirring the pot. The trouble is, it won't fly.

Still, it does make me laugh. Same as posts by Flossy/Hoid, all the Avro incarnations, Cannuck and his alter egos, etc.

Let them rant. It only makes them look foolish. :)

That’s because the status quo are nothing but corporate sheeple, who can’t think for themselves stuck going to the same big chain donut shop or Walmart because they are to lazy or to stupid to find a mom & pop outfit that supports the community and go there.

Usually the Mom & POP has better service..
 

Murphy

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I wouldn't call them corporate sheeple.

For some, it's convenience. A few are lazy. But the majority just want a cup of coffee, and there is a Timmys at almost every corner.

Don't start slamming the customers as well.
 

JamesBondo

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do you really think that the problems of minimum wage living will go away with this wage hike?
 

White_Unifier

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do you really think that the problems of minimum wage living will go away with this wage hike?

Not at all. Then we just create the new minimum wage. If we want the poor to raise their real wages, we must increase their productive value or promote efficiency. To increase productive value, we must upgrade their skills. To improve efficiency, we need to deregulate where possible to allow businesses to save where they can.

To just raise the minimum wage without improving productivity or efficiency just pushes inflation. It's just the dog chasing its tail.
 

Murphy

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do you really think that the problems of minimum wage living will go away with this wage hike?

No, I think minimum wage earners will be around for a long time. If you believe in what sci-fi writers have suggested - eliminate money and everyone is employed doing whatever it is that they are good at - it might happen.

Minimum wage is good in principle, but large or rapid increases upset the value of the dollar. We will continue to struggle with inflation, supply shortages and political turmoil. All of these and more affect the standard of living.
 

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