Kanehsatake, 270 year of resistance.

AnnaG

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"Think, Jack. If you had a few hundred square miles of some of the most wonderful countryside in the world to play in, why in the hell would you want to spend months travelling to a crowded, dirty continent?"

Think, AnnaG. Since the North American "natives" had no idea what kind of land Europe was, the only concievable reason they never set sail there was the total lack of curiousity and their lack of desire to improve themselves and their lives.
Think some more, Jack. If you already have paradise, why would you want to go anywhere else?

"Before Europeans showed up in the 15th century, there were extremely few wars in North America. There were occassional territorial disputes, some clans raided neighboring clans, but quite a few clans were entirely peaceful and others left them alone. Learn a little history sometime. It might do you good and prevent you from making some really dumb posts like this one."

AnnaG, I presume you got that from the well-documented written history of and by the North American "natives".
I studied a little of my ancestors' history, yes. History doesn't need to be written down, BTW. Up until a few dozen years ago, Anishinaabemowin was not written down. Yet my people had been speaking it for millennia. Using that unwritten language, our history had been passed down through thousands of generations.
 

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I studied a little of my ancestors' history, yes. History doesn't need to be written down, BTW. Up until a few dozen years ago, Anishinaabemowin was not written down. Yet my people had been speaking it for millennia. Using that unwritten language, our history had been passed down through thousands of generations.

Jack is fairly correct in that an unwritten history, though it may be accurate, (given that it would take a lot of exceptionally dedicated people to maintain continuity over a long period of time), simply cannot contain much content. It is just as impossible for the human brain to remember and regurgitate a milennia of history with all its warts than it is for one to memorize and then recite the income tax act. Furthermore, in real life, such history presented before the courts is in fact hearsay and fails to meet even the most basic rules of evidence, something the superior minds at the SCC fail to realise, but that is another story.
 

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Think some more, Jack. If you already have paradise, why would you want to go anywhere else?

Ooookayyy, yes, my paradise may be Saskatchewan now, and yours is obviously where you are, but 500 years ago might have been a wee bit different. I've lived through enough prairie winters, (and east coast ones) to know how deadly they can be even now. You mustn't forget that horses, cattle, and animal husbandry were also European imports, things that made hunting easier and less necessary at the same time. Horses also made warfare and wholesale slaughter of wildlife more efficient and effective, there is always bad with good.

There is a difference between wanting to go anywhere else, and actually being able to.
 

Cliffy

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central american natives sailed to the pacific islands that has also been documented.... The geography wasnt on there side
I think you are a little confused. It was the other way around. Skeletal remains in Central America show that Polynesians and possibly Aborigines from Australia migrated by boat to the Americas about 12 - 33 thousand years ago. Also, besides Asians, Europeans have been coming here for almost 10 thousand years.
 

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I think you are a little confused. It was the other way around. Skeletal remains in Central America show that Polynesians and possibly Aborigines from Australia migrated by boat to the Americas about 12 - 33 thousand years ago. Also, besides Asians, Europeans have been coming here for almost 10 thousand years.

i cant find the link i read, but it talked about some tribe making ships to sail the galapogas islands, not far anyway but i dunno im tired lets never speak of this again
 

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The video in the Op is quite scathing of the military. It gives the impression, rightly or falsely, that the federal government, the negotiators, and the military simply lied and fibbed and manipulated their way to victory.

Quite shameful really. If we're going to fight,then at least let's do it with honour.
 

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Many peoples throughout history have been conquered and vanquished by other people. Some have been totally eliminated.

None of those who survived sponges off billions of dollars worth of "restitution" from the winners. None of them makes land claims larger than the entire country. None of them demands AND GETS tax-free status. None of them are or were ever given special priviledges like the North American "natives".

Only the politically correct would say 270 years of resistance. It is more like 270 years of free-loading.

Tell me about it. Expecting to get their land back. What a bunch of free-loaders.
 

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"Yup! And the Church was in there like a dirty shirt, swilling at the trough. I'm sure that it was not all sunshine and roses but the picture that you paint is just a justification for the crimes committed by the interlopers. You have no idea how things were before invasion except for the biased reporting of catholic priests who did most of the chronicling in the early days - unless you got this crap directly from god (which I'm sure you think you did)."

Cliffy, would you please tell us what prevented North American "natives" (besides the painfully obvious) to hop on a boat, sail to Europe, be the "interloper' there?

And if they had, would there still be English, Spanish, French etc. people? Based on how "native" North Americans treated each other, ther is not much chance of that.

Typical for an atheist to blame it all on the Church.

I believe in God too, but the Church's actions were hardly Christian.

Now as for what if the situation were reversed: then I'd be standing up for the Englishmen and Frenchmen on reserves on a majority Mohawks-speaking European Continent.
 

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Ooookayyy, yes, my paradise may be Saskatchewan now, and yours is obviously where you are, but 500 years ago might have been a wee bit different. I've lived through enough prairie winters, (and east coast ones) to know how deadly they can be even now. You mustn't forget that horses, cattle, and animal husbandry were also European imports, things that made hunting easier and less necessary at the same time. Horses also made warfare and wholesale slaughter of wildlife more efficient and effective, there is always bad with good.

There is a difference between wanting to go anywhere else, and actually being able to.
People from North American migrated to Russia and other places. If you look at a map, you might notice there's a natural bridge from North America to Russia. Besides, the various Inuit clans are all over the north end of the planet and a few wandered around quite a bit.
Earth has not changed much in the past 20,000 years and there was lots of game in North America before Europeans showed up. Cattle? Big deal.
For the large part, life in North America was pretty stable until the Europeans came over and brought their diseases, methods of mass killing, etc. North America was also a lot cleaner.
 

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Jack is fairly correct in that an unwritten history, though it may be accurate, (given that it would take a lot of exceptionally dedicated people to maintain continuity over a long period of time), simply cannot contain much content. It is just as impossible for the human brain to remember and regurgitate a milennia of history with all its warts than it is for one to memorize and then recite the income tax act. Furthermore, in real life, such history presented before the courts is in fact hearsay and fails to meet even the most basic rules of evidence, something the superior minds at the SCC fail to realise, but that is another story.
And why would someone need to record every minute of every day of every period that might show something interesting? Lots of things repeat themselves with minor changes and there's no limit to how many circumstances can show the same basic lessons. Nothing more than a few stories that showed the same basic patterns of life was needed until Europeans arrived.
So who needs all the information that has been written down about past events and why?
 

AnnaG

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And why would someone need to record every minute of every day of every period that might show something interesting? Lots of things repeat themselves with minor changes and there's no limit to how many circumstances can show the same basic lessons. Nothing more than a few stories that showed the same basic patterns of life was needed until Europeans arrived.
So who needs all the information that has been written down about past events and why?
Exactly. Why sweat the mundane and trivial?
 

Cliffy

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Exactly. Why sweat the mundane and trivial?
And most aboriginal stories (oral history) and read are far more interesting than the constant battles in the history of the Europeans. They are mostly about how to be in the world, not how to destroy it.
 

AnnaG

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Fishing for something, Gerry? Or is it just your time of the month. lol
 

gerryh

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nope....carry on....North America was a paradise populated by non warring people that were one with mother nature, doing nothing to disturb the balance.
 

AnnaG

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nope....carry on....North America was a paradise populated by non warring people that were one with mother nature, doing nothing to disturb the balance.
Not exactly (and I did mention that things weren't perfect before but I guess you missed it), but a lot better than it is now.