Justin Trudeau signs Paris climate treaty at UN, vows to harness renewable energy

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That's why you need to have people figuring it out in their garage to create competition to drive the prices down.

How many times do I need to tell you that this won't happen fast enough for you to accept it?
 

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How many times do I need to tell you that this won't happen fast enough for you to accept it?

Then , it won't happen. It's as simple as that Floss. The government can stimulate this as much as they want. People have to do it for themselves, what people buy for themselves is what really is our driving force in our economy.
 

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Then , it won't happen. It's as simple as that Floss. The government can stimulate this as much as they want. People have to do it for themselves, what people buy for themselves is what really is our driving force in our economy.

Eventually it will get there, but the reason for intervention is to accelerate the process.
 

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Yes, it's called carbon pricing.

The point I'm making is That it only stimulates corporate demand, not personal.

If there was personal demand in the first place, we woundnt need to artificially stimulate demand.

See how top bottom is all wrong again.
 

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Of course it stimulates personal.

It has already done so, just not to the degree that it is on equal footing yet.

And that's fine because as I said before, this is a system change of grand proportions and it won't happen overnight. It's going to be at least another 20 years before you see some real change.
 

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Of course it stimulates personal.

It has already done so, just not to the degree that it is on equal footing yet.

And that's fine because as I said before, this is a system change of grand proportions and it won't happen overnight. It's going to be at least another 20 years before you see some real change.


Then let it happen in 20 years :lol: Why waste money. In 20 years the fossil fuels will be gone anyways :lol:

You just made the argument that this is just a tax grab :lol:
 

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Then let it happen in 20 years :lol: Why waste money. In 20 years the fossil fuels will be gone anyways :lol:

You just made the argument that this is just a tax grab :lol:


No, you need the investment now just to get there in 20 years.

It's absolutely necessary, and there are actually studies about the necessity to remove fossil fuel subsidies and go full throttle on renewables in order to help make that transition.

There is good value in it.
 

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No, you need the investment now just to get there in 20 years.

It's absolutely necessary, and there are actually studies about the necessity to remove fossil fuel subsidies and go full throttle on renewables in order to help make that transition.

There is good value in it.
Troll.
 

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No, you need the investment now just to get there in 20 years.

It's absolutely necessary, and there are actually studies about the necessity to remove fossil fuel subsidies and go full throttle on renewables in order to help make that transition.

There is good value in it.

I don't feel that way. I feel like things will happen when they are ready to happen. To me it looks like we are trying to force something that's not ready to happen. And that when its ready, it will be the easiest thing that ever happened.

That's how I feel about it.
 

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What?

I don't feel that way. I feel like things will happen when they are ready to happen. To me it looks like we are trying to force something that's not ready to happen. And that when its ready, it will be the easiest thing that ever happened.

That's how I feel about it.

Infrastructure takes a lot of time and money.

Don't be fooled into thinking we can just flip the switch from fossil fuels to renewables.

It has to be a gradual, deliberate and controlled winding down of one system to the other to make it sustainable.
 

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I said we are wasting resources on trying to force things, when in reality things will happen naturally without any forces, when they are ready to do so.

What?



Infrastructure takes a lot of time and money.

Don't be fooled into thinking we can just flip the switch from fossil fuels to renewables.

It has to be a gradual, deliberate and controlled winding down of one system to the other to make it sustainable.

I don't feel the same way then you on that. Infrastructure will only be built once there is a demand. You can't create a supply before their is a demand. I feel like your doing everything upside down.

Are you French ? That could explain this.
 

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I said we are wasting resources on trying to force things, when in reality things will happen naturally without any forces, when they are ready to do so.

And like I said, doing it 'naturally' will take too long.

Accelerating the transition to renewables can never be a waste of resources and would in fact lead to a net benefit in savings over time.


I don't feel the same way then you on that. Infrastructure will only be built once there is a demand. You can't create a supply before their is a demand. I feel like your doing everything upside down.

There are already significant investments in infrastructure that will lead to eventual demand. Sooner that 'natural', but later than you are probably expecting.
 

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And like I said, doing it 'naturally' will take too long.

Accelerating the transition to renewables can never be a waste of resources and would in fact lead to a net benefit in savings over time.




There are already significant investments in infrastructure that will lead to eventual demand. Sooner that 'natural', but later than you are probably expecting.
So you think our 30 million people country can support a transition into complete renewables economy , with government investment ? Do we have deep enough pockets ? !0 billion in deficit ,were will the money come from ?
 

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Mulcair continues to be vindicated about Dutch Disease as the loonie follows the price of oil which benefits manufacturing.

He was 100% correct on that one.

Way too funny.... You're saying that a low dollar and full recession is the natural trajectory of stemming Dutch Disease?

With that sid, I'll bet there are a lot of folks in the traditional have-not provinces that would welcome Dutch Disease with open arms

Carbon pricing is meant to reduce carbon emissions.

Look at BC who continuously reduce theirs without compromising their economy.


It's a beautiful thing.

BC hasn't reduced their emissions.... Get your fat a s s on a plane and see for yourself.
 

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imo, less than 2% of my driving is discretionary kms,

you can raise the price of gasoline or you can add a carbon tax, and it won't mean that I'll drive less kms to and from work.
 

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So you think our 30 million people country can support a transition into complete renewables economy , with government investment ? Do we have deep enough pockets ? !0 billion in deficit ,were will the money come from ?

The bank?