Justin Trudeau rewarding heavy carbon emitters

Decapoda

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It appears Trudeau is finally looking at the numbers and assessing the damage his carbon tax will have on the Canadian economy, and has decided to make some adjustments. One has to wonder if this is a minor concession, or the beginning of the end for this albatross.

Justin Trudeau gave an inch on carbon taxes. Next comes the mile

Under the previous formula (a complicated one, even by tax law standards), large industrial emitters — those releasing 50 megatonnes of carbon dioxide annually or more — would have received a subsidy per each unit of production, up to a value of 70 per cent of the average sector-wide cost of that unit. The subsidy, in the form of a tax break, is designed to see that companies exporting steel, iron, lime, nitrogen fertilizers and cement are not at a disadvantage in export markets in competing against producers from countries with no carbon tax (i.e., nearly every other country on earth) or with lower carbon taxes.

The Liberals now say they’re increasing the subsidy to at least 80 per cent of the sector average and in some cases they’ll be going as high as 90 per cent. This is not, per se, a cut to the carbon tax, but it’s certainly going to have a similar effect: under the new plan, large industrial emitters will pay less to emit the same amount of carbon. This is apparently in reaction to strong opposition from large industrial companies that the carbon taxation plan the Liberals had proposed, intended to enter into effect next year, would cripple their operations in a time of increased competition from the United States and already rising trade barriers.



With Saskatchewan and Ontario rejecting a carbon tax outright, and Alberta looking at the possibility of a change in government which has already stated it's objection to carbon taxes, it seems Trudeau has an uphill battle ahead of him. With 2 out of 3 Canadians feeling that provinces should have final say on carbon tax, and given the looming Federal election, he appears to be softening his stance somewhat.

‘We’re not done’; Carbon tax plans could still change more as feds weigh cost to Ontario businesses

“We’re not done. No final decisions have been made,” said John Moffet, assistant deputy minister of the environmental protection branch of Environment and Climate Change Canada, in a briefing at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa.

“In principle, I would say this government is open to further changes.”
 

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Justin is weighing his options...

Canada doesn't really need to take any action on Climate Change. It is just not a big deal. They simply need to say they are doing something and that alone is all the Alarmists need to assuage their fear and hysteria.

BUT... If he lays a hefty tax on Industry... the people actually will feel pain. That is not a good thing.
 

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Justin is weighing his options...

Canada doesn't really need to take any action on Climate Change. It is just not a big deal. They simply need to say they are doing something and that alone is all the Alarmists need to assuage their fear and hysteria.

BUT... If he lays a hefty tax on Industry... the people actually will feel pain. That is not a good thing.

Justin should have weighed his options long before he launched such a stupid plan. He only needed to study his predecessor's mistake, Stephan Dion, and his disastrous "Green-shift plan" which single-handedly sunk his political career, for a template on what not to do.

But a narcissistic, self-absorbed bully with nice hair doesn't weigh options, he only needs to assert a false authority over jurisdictions which he has no control. It's the action of a desperate fool with delusions of grandeur. But the jurisdictions are pushing back...

Trudeau’s carbon tax looks pretty much dead now that most provinces are out
 

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What is the Kinder pipeline bailout if not a subsidy to heavy carbon emitters.
 

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That's some great stuff Hoid... for real.


When it comes down to it... Climate Change is not a big deal. The Climate has always changed.
 

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Justin should have weighed his options long before he launched such a stupid plan. He only needed to study his predecessor's mistake, Stephan Dion, and his disastrous "Green-shift plan" which single-handedly sunk his political career, for a template on what not to do.

But a narcissistic, self-absorbed bully with nice hair doesn't weigh options, he only needs to assert a false authority over jurisdictions which he has no control. It's the action of a desperate fool with delusions of grandeur. But the jurisdictions are pushing back...

Trudeau’s carbon tax looks pretty much dead now that most provinces are out
I think another thing that is going to sink Trudeau's carbon tax is Nunavut. Nunavut has come up with a comprehensive, workable plan to reduce their emissions by the target date without gooning people with a carbon tax. Trudeau flatly rejected their plan stating that taxes have to be a part of the plan. This says to me that Trudeau is less interested in climate change than he is in funneling as much Canadian money to UN pet projects as he can. In the hopes he'll get a nice UN appointment. Maybe they'll make him the Ambassador of multiculti and virtue signaling or something.
 

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I think another thing that is going to sink Trudeau's carbon tax is Nunavut. Nunavut has come up with a comprehensive, workable plan to reduce their emissions by the target date without gooning people with a carbon tax. Trudeau flatly rejected their plan stating that taxes have to be a part of the plan. This says to me that Trudeau is less interested in climate change than he is in funneling as much Canadian money to UN pet projects as he can. In the hopes he'll get a nice UN appointment. Maybe they'll make him the Ambassador of multiculti and virtue signaling or something.


Nailed IT!


Of course he rejected a plan calling for reducing emissions without taxes.

The Global Warming Movement was devised for the sole purpose of additional taxes.

The environment, planet, and climate have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Global Warming Movement.
 

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Nailed IT!


Of course he rejected a plan calling for reducing emissions without taxes.

The Global Warming Movement was devised for the sole purpose of additional taxes.

The environment, planet, and climate have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Global Warming Movement.
One of the former IPCC chairmen called it nothing more that a transfer of wealth scheme. A former head of one of the European environmental agencies said much the same thing. They also stated that when you look at most govt's plans, they're long on taxation and rhetoric and short on actual results. Very short in many cases.
 

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What is the Kinder pipeline bailout if not a subsidy to heavy carbon emitters.

KM has very low emmissions since all they are is a very cheap transportation company. Most of the product is slated for overseas where there is no carbon tax because once it leaves Canada it no longer polutes.
 

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They also stated that when you look at most govt's plans, they're long on taxation and rhetoric and short on actual results. Very short in many cases.

Yeah, sounds like typical government management alright. Nice that lil potato decided to buy the KM pipeline after grossly mismanaging and screwing that project up, should work out well now....
 

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KM has very low emmissions since all they are is a very cheap transportation company. Most of the product is slated for overseas where there is no carbon tax because once it leaves Canada it no longer polutes.


Hey speaking of which... is the Liberal Government of Canada still planning on transferring it's carbon emissions to other countries?

Trudeau was already caught cooking the books and shorting Canada's emissions total by assuming other countries will assume Canada's debt. What arrogance eh?
 

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He should be able to find some dictatorship that will accept payment for Carbon Credits ;)

If we can't get our oil to China, maybe they would at least be okay with accepting the commensurate carbon emission deficit.
 

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If we can't get our oil to China, maybe they would at least be okay with accepting the commensurate carbon emission deficit.


The Liberals don't know WTF they are doing tonight.


In one thread they are talking about the evils of Fossil Fuel and in another thread they are calling for the increase of Fossil Fuel Production and Sales to offset Justin Trudeau's disaster with Saudi Arabia.
 

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Still another antiCanada-Trudeau derangement syndrome thread!!!

Yes...stating support for a healthy national resource economy and opposition to being taxed more is so anti-Canadian. Thanks for bringing attention to such foolish sentiment, you are clearly a loyal champion of our new post-national state.
 
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