Jesus Christ was born in Autumn, not in Winter!

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You have Mohammad, (Um...Dam Ham ) and Jesus Christ, ( Rich jests US).
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All religion, (Leg Iron, I ) is a scam.

These are not more than vain words .. non-sense ..

From such silly words of yours, I think you are of Christian descent or origin .. although non-religious ..

so you don't agree to read and reason the words of the Quran, the meaning of which I have just explained .. therefore, you mock .. while the mockery is nothing more than vain silly words.

So you have kept your Christian descent (bigotry), while at the same time, you ignored reading and realizing the words of the Quran (claiming you are non-religious.)

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Now I ask Christians (and Muslims) this question:
Why did the family of Virgin Mary pardon her, after she gave birth to Jesus miraculously without father?

Keeping in mind that she belonged to a most strict and observant family who were the custodians of the House of God at Jerusalem?

After listening to the answers, I may give two reasons, by God's will some time later on.
 
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9 months before that brings us back to late Dec. and Jesus being entered into the Book of Life as that is when He was conceived. We can't crucify anybody for celebrating the right date even if it is the wrong reason. The belly button is the mark left when God pokes a person with His finger and says, 'You're done.'


Mary was married when she gave birth to Jesus, the 30 day purification she went through before she could take Jesus to the Temple to be anointed was normal when you had a male child.
 

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It wasn't really a stable either. People back then kept some livestock inside their homes. It was a room in a house.
 

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Did God go a little over-board in defining the land of the enemy or do people still not know where that is and keep naming various nations in their delusions.?

M't:2:16-18:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.

Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Depending on the timing John the Baptist would have been born on Passover, 6 months earlier. 30AD had Passover on the day before the weekly Sabbath, not sure if the one 33 years earlier was special or not.

Mal:3:1:
Behold,
I will send my messenger,
and he shall prepare the way before me:
and the Lord,
whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to his temple,
even the messenger of the covenant,
whom ye delight in:
behold,
he shall come,
saith the LORD of hosts.

The end of the exile into Neb's Babylon was not over when the Temple was rebuilt, it was there so some prophecies would unfold as determined and then it was taken apart again to fulfill a different prophecy. The start of 'the time of the Gentiles' was one thing associated with the last exile that still needs completion.
 

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9 months before that brings us back to late Dec. and Jesus being entered into the Book of Life as that is when He was conceived. We can't crucify anybody for celebrating the right date even if it is the wrong reason. The belly button is the mark left when God pokes a person with His finger and says, 'You're done.'


Mary was married when she gave birth to Jesus, the 30 day purification she went through before she could take Jesus to the Temple to be anointed was normal when you had a male child.

This is wrong .. Mary mother of the Christ was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.. and that was the problem.. for the virgin to be pregnant before the consummation of the marriage.
She was engaged to Joseph the carpenter, but not yet married.

For this Mary was the most honest and chaste among people, and she preserved her chastity .. and was prepared to conceive about Jesus Christ.

So Jesus is not the son of Joseph the carpenter, but he was born miraculously without father.

Jesus called himself 'the son of man' .. while all of us are sons of man.. so what's this weird naming?

This was to prevent people calling him the son of God: because he knew some people will claim he was the son of God, so he called himself the 'son of man.'

I explained this before, according to the interpretation of the Quran by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, and by deduction: he was not the son of Adam .. which is the usual title of everyone of us: the son of Adam .. because Jesus Christ was an angel that came from heaven and entered the fetus created in Mary's womb without father.
 
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This is wrong .. Mary mother of the Christ was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.. and that was the problem.. for the virgin to be pregnant before the consummation of the marriage.

She would be stoned to death in Saudi Arabia if she were there, today.

Jesus would still be crucified as was that chap last night in Mecca.
 

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Two reasons for Mary's family to spare her from punishment:
1- Jesus miraculously spoke in the cradle.. to quit his mother of the adultery. This is clearly cited in the Quran in more than one site.
2- By deduction and reasoning among some of my friends: which may be right or wrong:
Zacharia the prophet, was the guardian of Mary, and was the husband of her aunt: the sister of her mother.
This Zachariah had his son John Baptist born to him of his wife the barren and the elderly, and he himself was elderly.
Anyhow, this Prophet Zachariah might have a role in protecting Mary and explaining about the miraculous bearing of Mary without father.
 
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Two reasons for Mary's family to spare her from punishment:
1- Jesus miraculously spoke in the cradle.. to quit his mother of the adultery. This is clearly cited in the Quran in more than sites.
2- By deduction: which may be right or wrong:
Zacharia the prophet, was the guardian of Mary, and was the husband of her aunt: the sister of her mother.
This Zachariah had his son John Baptist born to him of his wife the barren and the elderly, and he himself was elderly.
Anyhow, this Prophet Zachariah might have a role in protecting Mary and explaining about the miraculous bearing of Mary without father.

Yes but they were all wicked, wicked Zionists and therefore were required to die.
 

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You guys are way too serious about nonsense. Time to lighten up, eh.



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This is wrong .. Mary mother of the Christ was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.. and that was the problem.. for the virgin to be pregnant before the consummation of the marriage.
She was engaged to Joseph the carpenter, but not yet married.
The only ones that would have known she was a virgin was Mary and Joseph and the mid wife and that was probably Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist. Her age also points to Mary being older and a virgin because she never married. The quote of her points to her being 'wise' rather than 'a child' as far as devotion to God goes. There is no record of when they were married, with God she could have conceived a day before the wedding and Joseph had the dream the night before the wedding. Conceived in late Dec and they had been married almost 9 months when His birth took place.

For this Mary was the most honest and chaste among people, and she preserved her chastity .. and was prepared to conceive about Jesus Christ.
She and her cousin, Elizabeth, were daughters of Aaron and that is a life of devotion to God, as aids to the male Priests. Mary had one place she was quoted, the beloved Disciple of John the Baptist wrote two NT books and is the subject of 3 Epistles and is given equal billing in re:12 where she and the mother of Jesus are both mentioned because they both qualify as 'the seed of Eve' that is required to fulfill Ge:3:15. The heritage in Luke is the fathers of His mother Mary and it goes back to Adam, the heritage of John the Baptist only went as far back as Moses. The heritage in Matthew is that of Joseph and that puts him in the right House to be able to sit on a throne and claim to be the king of the 12 Tribes. He does that when the 7th trump sounds Re:10 is fulfilled as the book that is opened is the book of life and the Re:20:4 resurrections is the event that is taking place.

So Jesus is not the son of Joseph the carpenter, but he was born miraculously without father.
No, He can sit on a throne and rightly claim to be the King. Being conceived as the 'seed of Eve' that fulfills the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 is a destiny He alone was fulfill.

Jesus called himself 'the son of man' .. while all of us are sons of man.. so what's this weird naming?
'Son of Man' is the 5 fingered offspring of Adam and Eve that will fulfill both bruises of Ge:3:15. Jesus was the first one gathered to god and to date the 24 Elders in Re:4 are all from mankind that has been given the 2nd birth. The rest of mankind has a small group gathered at the start of the 1,000 years and the much larger group are gathered as the last event of the 1,000 year reign. The group that is gathered at the start become shepherds to the larger flock once the new earth starts. Being a 'son of God' is a person until they are 120 years old, at that age they are made immortal and no longer need food to remain alive. That is considered to be when the 2nd birth is so you are a 'Son of God' at that time. Some titles help place where an event is taking place. The 2nd group in Re:7 mentions they have been saved by the lamb. The lamb doesn't play His role until the GWT event so the ones describes as being saved are all the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20. There are other references that support that concept.

This was to prevent people calling him the son of God: because he knew some people will claim he was the son of God, so he called himself the 'son of man.'
A son of man can die and go to the grave and be with others that are asleep. Angels are 'sons of God' which means they cannot ever be put into a sleeping mode, when they are put into the grave they are still awake. That part of the grave is called 'the Pit' and hell is a cage with a gate that can be locked. The ones alive during the 1,000 years will be called 'sons of God' in the new earth after they are given the living water and eat from the tree of life. The people born to the ones that make their homes outside New Jerusalem marry at the age of 20 and when the are made immortal 100 years later they have 100 children and after they are immortal they acts as grandparents and do not have any more children, just like the ones living inside New Jerusalem who are acting as the Shepherds and they are not given in marriage so their population never rises or falls.

I explained this before, according to the interpretation of the Quran by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, and by deduction: he was not the son of Adam .. which is the usual title of everyone of us: the son of Adam .. because Jesus Christ was an angel that came from heaven and entered the fetus created in Mary's womb without father.
The Bible said Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit, the same one that is control of all aspects of the 'breath of life'.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Joh:19:30:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said,
It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.

Jesus cannot be the ghost and give it up at the same time, nor does God ever put himself under the authority of Jesus.

1Co:15:27:
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.

You guys are way too serious about nonsense. Time to lighten up, eh.
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