It's Time to Give Up on Oil

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Oh Gee- I'm not sure where I was or what I was doing when someone consulted my attitude before deciding not to build a pipeline to tidewater. What was the date when I was that important? I should be submitting a bill! :)

Ask the no brainer.
 

Hoid

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Wrong. "Consult" is not a scientific term. In fact, even though the courts have made it a legal requirement, nobody knows what it means. How much yakking back and forth does it take to meet the legal standard for consultation? Nobody knows. No legal standard has been set. Any indigenous group wanting to stop or delay a project can claim they were inadequately consulted. The courts created this mess.
Any indigenous group that is not properly consulted can win a court appeal.

Hopefully.
 
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Mowich

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Bill Morneau says government ‘inherited a flawed environmental review process’: Trans Mountain

Just for arguments sake, I'll take that statement at face value which then begs the question - if the government was aware of the flaws why, given the three years they have been in power - did they not bother to either disclose that information, until now, or work to have a proper review done? So much for the liberals much vaunted but yet to be realized 'truth and transparency'. Morneau can beak off all he wants about this being the former government's fault thus following in the tried and true fall back position of every failed liberal policy or initiative but three years of this government's inaction proves the lie in his statement. They could have done something...........instead they did nothing. Big Fail Bill.
 

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Its the Libs fault we are now on the hook for this gigantic white elephant.

Tax payer gets scrooged again.
 

mentalfloss

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As one of Kinder Morgan's shareholders, Walter supports the gubmint buyout.
 

Mowich

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You first. Go on see how long you last without oil. Oil is a renewable resource Mentalflush. Eventually you will be converted into crude and that of course will be oils complete defeat of you. Someday you will fill a crankcase and finally serve some purpose.
Some noname brand on the lowest super market shelf of course. Propably labeled Real Slippery.


Hear! Hear! DB. By far one of your better posts, IMHO. :smile:
 

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Yea, because missing out on pipelines for the last 20 years has really hobbled our economy.

Fukking dumbasses.


Enough of this shit already.


BC is going to have a field day with this.


Time to move on to renewables.
I hope you sing the same tune when a train carrying Alberta bitumen derails in the Fraser Canyon .
 

Mowich

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BC is going to have a field day with this.


Really BC, eh. I live in BC. It's a pretty big province. We don't all live on the Left Coast. The more intelligent among us have nestled ourselves in the Heartland where saner heads prevail.

I'm sure there just might be one or two people who upon hearing about this ruling are now looking out their windows at the rail lines running by their properties and wondering...........will it happen here?

For in all the joy being expressed by anti-pipeline people, what is being lost is that the oil will reach tidewater and now that the pipeline is once again in limbo, it will get there by rail.

Lac-Mégantic rail disaster



Forty-two people were confirmed dead, with five more missing and presumed dead.[3] More than 30 buildings in the town's centre, roughly half of the downtown area, were destroyed,[2] and all but three of the thirty-nine remaining downtown buildings had to be demolished due to petroleum contamination of the townsite.[4] Initial newspaper reports described a 1-kilometre (0.6 mi) blast radius.[5]

Contamination of land

The disaster site was so heavily contaminated with benzene that firefighters and investigators in the first month worked in fifteen-minute shifts due to heat and toxic conditions.[198] The waterfront at Veteran's Park and the town marina were contaminated by hydrocarbons, which were contained by a series of booms. This rendered vessels and docks inaccessible until they can be removed from the water and decontaminated,[199] a process which was to take until late August 2013 to complete.[200]


A hundred residents were not expected to return home until mid-2014[needs update] as the ground beneath their still-standing houses was contaminated with oil;[201] some homes in the most-contaminated areas might never be habitable.[202]

Because the cleanup of the derailment area could take 5 years, about 115 businesses were planning to relocate. 40 buildings have already been destroyed but another 160 may need to be expropriated for demolition because they sit on several metres of contaminated soil which must be removed and replaced with clean fill. Subsequent reconstruction on the site may initially be impractical as new buildings would require deeper foundations until the new fill settles. The town was considering making a memorial park in the damaged area[203] and relocating displaced businesses to a proposed Papineau Street extension to cross the Chaudière River to Lévis Street.[204]



The new road was to be constructed in October 2013[needs update] using federal and provincial infrastructure funding, although insurance coverage for local companies to abandon contaminated sites remained uncertain. For 125 businesses, the move was expected to be permanent.[205]



Contamination of waterways

The Chaudière River was contaminated by an estimated 100,000 litres (22,000 imp gal; 26,000 US gal) of oil. The spill travelled down the river and reached the town of Saint-Georges 80 kilometres (50 mi) to the northeast, forcing local authorities to draw water from a nearby lake and install floating barriers to prevent contamination. Residents were asked to limit their water consumption as the lake was not able to supply the daily needs of the town.[207]



Swimming and fishing were prohibited in the Chaudière River, as was the use of scarce municipal water to fill swimming pools or water flower beds.[208] Restrictions on drawing potable water from the river remained in effect two months later.[209] A temporary system of aboveground pipes feeding water to Lévis from the Beaurivage River was expected to cost $2 million, not including any measures to protect the line against freezing in winter.[210]


Environmentalists have reported heavy contamination from polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and believe arsenic levels to be well above legal limits.[211]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster
 

Hoid

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Vancouver Island loved the decision.

Many many happy people here today.
 

JLM

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Vancouver Island loved the decision.

Many many happy people here today.


You mean SOME people on the Island loved the decision...………..you're stating something that really doesn't need stating! A lot of the folks there are retired and many of the rest are in one of the marine industries! What would you replace oil with?
 

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It's Time to Give Up on Oil

No, Flossy. When that light comes on in your dashboard, you've gotta add some.