It's time to bring the death penalty back!

[shannon]

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

Tell that to Canadian liberals. They do not differentiate between the two. I am surprised you are but one person aside from myself who realises this.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Re: RE: It's time to bring the death penalty back!

Hate to wreck my right-wing looney credentials, but crime in Canada is hardly "out of control". we live in an amazingly peaceful society

Bwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa! You have never set foot in Toronto now have you? Your statement alone proves this is the case. I am in full favour of a form of Gestapo national police. I would have this force travel to all gang terroritories within Toronto heavily-armed. I would have armoured battlevehicles escort them. Those gangsters who resist would be shot on the very spot.

 

[Just the Facts]

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

I'll support that on one condition...if we execute an innocent person, you volunteer to go to the gallows on behalf of society.

Seriously though, the death penalty is only a deterrent to those for whom life in prison is a deterrent. Other than the revenge factor, the only thing we get out of capital punishment is the possibility of killing innocent people.

You forgot the most important aspect of the death penalty. It brings justice to the victims family members.

No I didn't forget, you highlighted it yourself where you quoted me.

 

[Simpleton]

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

Tell that to Canadian liberals. They do not differentiate between the two. I am surprised you are but one person aside from myself who realises this.

Say what? Only one person in this entire thread equates fascism with capital punishment. Are you attempting to form some elite group based entirely on fanatical perceptions, SaintLucifer?

 

[SaintLucifer]

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

Tell that to Canadian liberals. They do not differentiate between the two. I am surprised you are but one person aside from myself who realises this.

Say what? Only one person in this entire thread equates fascism with capital punishment. Are you attempting to form some elite group based entirely on fanatical perceptions, SaintLucifer?

Not at all. Every single Canadian I have spoken with connects capital punishment with fascism. All of them.

 

[Simpleton]

I watched a movie a little while ago, and there was a line in that movie that really made me think. The line was, "give people freedom, and they choose to be slaves."

Made me think, it did. Made me think about how true it is. Most people are so oblivious to the fact that their true freedoms are an illusion. True in that the mirage of freedom, the perception of freewill, the illusion of choice, is enough to keep people subserviant. How ironic.

Take, for example, a media empire that will champion the cause of free speech. Taken to its extreme, such a media empire would defend its right to free speech to the extent that it would preclude any other entity from speaking critically of it. Fascism? Absolutely! Yet, in the view of many brainwashed souls, it's perceived as freedom.

Freedom? Is there a dictionary on this planet that adequately defines the word in moron-speak? I'm looking for one to offer as a Xmas present to a certain someone.
8)

 

[SaintLucifer]

I watched a movie a little while ago, and there was a line in that movie that really made me think. The line was, "give people freedom, and they choose to be slaves."

Made me think, it did. Made me think about how true it is. Most people are so oblivious to the fact that their true freedoms are an illusion. True in that the mirage of freedom, the perception of freewill, the illusion of choice, is enough to keep people subserviant. How ironic.

Take, for example, a media empire that will champion the cause of free speech. Taken to its extreme, such a media empire would defend its right to free speech to the extent that it would preclude any other entity from speaking critically of it. Fascism? Absolutely! Yet, in the view of many brainwashed souls, it's perceived as freedom.

Freedom? Is there a dictionary on this planet that adequately defines the word in moron-speak? I'm looking for one to offer as a Xmas present to a certain someone.
8)

Exactly! Well done! Yet everyone yaps at me about my preference for fascist ideology. They complain it strips people of freedom. I always say "what freedom?"

 

[jerry]

Now I'm going to be seen as a contrarian, but it is simply not so that the USA has a higher crime rate than Canada. Actually, the rate of robberies, break-ins, and non-violent crime is less in the USA.

Edited to say..........Sorry, the worst murder rate is in Nunavut, with 13.5 per 100,000. NWT has ONLY 9.5 per 100,000. (2004) Canada wide rate was 2.0 per 100,000.

Even more interestingly, high murder rates in the USA are concentrated in inner cities. The highest murder rate in any state/province is in the Northwest Territories. If you walked the border out west between the USA and Canada, believe it or not, the murder rate is typically LOWER in the border state than in the Canadian province.

Here is a table of the 2003 crime rate for every states in the USA.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl05.xls

You will notice that the states with the highest murder rates (Georgia, Maryland, Illinois, South Carolina, Mississipi, Louisiana, Arizona, Nevada etc) all have the death penalty.

So like I've said, it's obviously not working as a deterrent.

Our system in Canada is far from being perfect but there is nothing more easy than to point out to a few high profile cases and say that our system is worth shit.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Now I'm going to be seen as a contrarian, but it is simply not so that the USA has a higher crime rate than Canada. Actually, the rate of robberies, break-ins, and non-violent crime is less in the USA.

Edited to say..........Sorry, the worst murder rate is in Nunavut, with 13.5 per 100,000. NWT has ONLY 9.5 per 100,000. (2004) Canada wide rate was 2.0 per 100,000.

Even more interestingly, high murder rates in the USA are concentrated in inner cities. The highest murder rate in any state/province is in the Northwest Territories. If you walked the border out west between the USA and Canada, believe it or not, the murder rate is typically LOWER in the border state than in the Canadian province.

Here is a table of the 2003 crime rate for every states in the USA.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl05.xls

You will notice that the states with the highest murder rates (Georgia, Maryland, Illinois, South Carolina, Mississipi, Louisiana, Arizona, Nevada etc) all have the death penalty.

So like I've said, it's obviously not working as a deterrent.

Our system in Canada is far from being perfect but there is nothing more easy than to point out to a few high profile cases and say that our system is worth shit.

It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

 

[jerry]

It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

You're being a funny guy right? A gestapo like force, what a great idea, A ''Shoot first, ask questions later'' ''Shoot them all and let God sort them out'' kind of thing. Not sure i would want to live in the kind of country you have in mind. I don't think there is many civilized countries out there that have a ''gestapo-like force''.

 

[SaintLucifer]

It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

You're being a funny guy right? A gestapo like force, what a great idea, A ''Shoot first, ask questions later'' ''Shoot them all and let God sort them out'' kind of thing. Not sure i would want to live in the kind of country you have in mind. I don't think there is many civilized countries out there that have a ''gestapo-like force''.

Who said anything about a shoot first ask questions later scenario? No doubt the areas where these security forces would be sent will be heavily-investigated. Those Gestapo forces will then learn the identity of every single gang member and told if necessary to defend oneself, shoot on sight. Such individuals cannot be tolerated as they are killing many innocent Canadians (Jane Kreba) and they must be made to pay for these crimes. No trials. Save the State the time and trouble by simply blowing them away on our streets. Do you think any law-abiding Canadians are going to complain? Absolutely not. So what exactly is your problem with my solution? The mailed fist of force is necessary to clean up our crime mess and you know it. I for one am willing to take that first step to ensure it happens.

 

[jerry]

Who said anything about a shoot first ask questions later scenario? No doubt the areas where these security forces would be sent will be heavily-investigated. Those Gestapo forces will then learn the identity of every single gang member and told if necessary to defend oneself, shoot on sight. Such individuals cannot be tolerated as they are killing many innocent Canadians (Jane Kreba) and they must be made to pay for these crimes. No trials. Save the State the time and trouble by simply blowing them away on our streets. Do you think any law-abiding Canadians are going to complain? Absolutely not. So what exactly is your problem with my solution? The mailed fist of force is necessary to clean up our crime mess and you know it. I for one am willing to take that first step to ensure it happens.

Whatever... Your whole idea is a very simplistic solution to a very complex problem. Using force only is not the way to go in my view. Those people mostly come from poor, screwed up families in a screwed up neighboorhood, I don't think using force against them will help them get better. I think some of them are recuperable given proper guidance. I do agree that repeat offenders, people who will obviously never get better should be dealt with more severity than it is the case now.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Who said anything about a shoot first ask questions later scenario? No doubt the areas where these security forces would be sent will be heavily-investigated. Those Gestapo forces will then learn the identity of every single gang member and told if necessary to defend oneself, shoot on sight. Such individuals cannot be tolerated as they are killing many innocent Canadians (Jane Kreba) and they must be made to pay for these crimes. No trials. Save the State the time and trouble by simply blowing them away on our streets. Do you think any law-abiding Canadians are going to complain? Absolutely not. So what exactly is your problem with my solution? The mailed fist of force is necessary to clean up our crime mess and you know it. I for one am willing to take that first step to ensure it happens.

Whatever... Your whole idea is a very simplistic solution to a very complex problem. Using force only is not the way to go in my view. Those people mostly come from poor, screwed up families in a screwed up neighboorhood, I don't think using force against them will help them get better. I think some of them are recuperable given proper guidance. I do agree that repeat offenders, people who will obviously never get better should be dealt with more severity than it is the case now.

These are people who consider it cool to bust a cap in your ass yet you feel pity for them? Absolutely not. No sympathy. Death is the answer. They kill someone they will die too. You may rest assured my methods would sweep our streets of crime. Once that has been completed people will learn fascism is a valid ideology. Why? I would not have anyone to whom to answer. If I felt it necessary to pass a policy that may benefit my country then it will be passed. No yakking in the goddamned House of Commons. It would be shut the fuck up we are doing it end of discussion. In fact it would not even be that. I would simply give the order and it gets down.

 

[jerry]

These are people who consider it cool to bust a cap in your ass yet you feel pity for them? Absolutely not. No sympathy. Death is the answer. They kill someone they will die too. You may rest assured my methods would sweep our streets of crime. Once that has been completed people will learn fascism is a valid ideology. Why? I would not have anyone to whom to answer. If I felt it necessary to pass a policy that may benefit my country then it will be passed. No yakking in the goddamned House of Commons. It would be shut the *censored* up we are doing it end of discussion. In fact it would not even be that. I would simply give the order and it gets down.

Heil Hitler to that!

 

[SaintLucifer]

These are people who consider it cool to bust a cap in your ass yet you feel pity for them? Absolutely not. No sympathy. Death is the answer. They kill someone they will die too. You may rest assured my methods would sweep our streets of crime. Once that has been completed people will learn fascism is a valid ideology. Why? I would not have anyone to whom to answer. If I felt it necessary to pass a policy that may benefit my country then it will be passed. No yakking in the goddamned House of Commons. It would be shut the *censored* up we are doing it end of discussion. In fact it would not even be that. I would simply give the order and it gets down.

Heil Hitler to that!

 

[FiveParadox]

SaintLucifer, rest assured, you are never going to be in a position to do so. A Prime Minister who would attempt to issue such "orders" would be back-handed by the reserved powers of the Governor General of Canada. You're going to do away with that one, too? Alright—get the unanimous consent of the House of Commons and the Provinces of Canada, then we'll talk.

 

[Simpleton]

It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

You're being a funny guy right? A gestapo like force, what a great idea, A ''Shoot first, ask questions later'' ''Shoot them all and let God sort them out'' kind of thing. Not sure i would want to live in the kind of country you have in mind. I don't think there is many civilized countries out there that have a ''gestapo-like force''.

We already have a "gestapo like" force in Canada. Ever hear of national media? Blackburn Radio Incorporated?

They're a gestapo like force if I've ever seen one.

 

[KellyF]

I'm with Jerry. This "controlled" violence of the government would never stay controlled. Killing people on the spot for committing a crime is a hell of a lot of power and to think that it would be given up voluntarily, is a delusion. I live in Toronto and it's not the safest place. You have to know which streets not to go down. Basically avoid the East end and the West end. But wait, what do these areas have in common? Ahhhh...could it be poor neighbourhoods with a higher ratio of black people? But yes, hang them all, instead of actually looking into the cultural issues that seem to be a mainstay. A lot of the kids don't have fathers so they are raised by single mothers who work two jobs to put food on the table, but that leaves no time to spend with the kids, so he's basically raised by those on the street, who also have no father. Social programs would go a long way. Giving these kids another option other than the streets would go a long way. Yes, gang violence scares the crap out of me, but I believe there are other ways of dealing with it than just killing them all. Not that we should base idea's or beliefs on film or movies, but the senero in South Central seems to be a common theme throughout these poor neighbourhoods and in the lives of gang members...maybe that needs to be looked into.

 

[sine000]

It is time to bring the death penalty back to Canada. Crime is out of control, and people just aren't getting the message. It is widely accepted that jail time is not an adequate deterrant.

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

The time for playing games with justice is over. I propose that Canada bring the death penalty back, and that the scope of crimes punishable by death, be expanded to include corrupt police officers and government officials.

A police officer or civil servant that conspires with private enterprise to commit crime and to cover it up, must face the ultimate penalty. They must be executed in the public square.

It is time to get serious. It is time to leave the words behind and get things done. Corruption cannot and will not be tolerated, and the only good deterrant is death.

Throughout history, kings and corrupt government officials have been beheaded for betraying the people. With the advent of democracy, this insistence that officials be held accountable to the people, has been somehow lost. It's time to bring accountability back to Canada. It's time to bring back the gallows, gas chambers, guilotines, and electric chairs. It's time to rid Canada of corruption. And the time tested public execution is the way to do it.

Off with their heads...

Simpleton....Its not easy to say to bring back hanging and the death penalty....I think Canada abolish the death penalty during the 50's....Its the moral issue behind the killings....if we bring them back....we would be ruling under what Communist would do....like hitler....

CORRUPTION happens in ALL countries....they happen everywhere....we cant stop it...we can try to prevent it....

I think you just *steamed-off* when you talk about Death penalty....DEATH PENALTY IS NOT GONNA GET RID OF CORRUPTION!!!