'It makes me really stressed' crossing border

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A 10-year-old Comox girl has started a campaign to stop what she sees as bullying every time she crosses the border to visit her grandmother.
The problem, Harriette Cunningham says, is that her passport says she’s a boy.
Facing border officials as a transgender girl — when her identity and outward appearance don’t match the sex designation on her passport — gives her undue anxiety, she said.
“It makes me really stressed. It makes me really sad for about an hour before and after. I want to explain myself,” she said, “but I think it’s my right not to have to.”
The Grade 5 student and her grandmother, Cathie ****ens, who lives in Comox and spends part of each year in Palm Springs, are mailing letters to MLAs and MPs, asking for changes to official identification policy they say discriminates against transgender people. They also have a meeting scheduled with their MLA, Don McRae, who is also minister of social development.
In B.C., a person must have sex reassignment surgery before he or she can change the sex designation on a B.C. birth record, which typically serves as a basis for other forms of identification, such as passports.
But Harriette says surgery is a choice separate from gender identity.
“I don’t really think it’s fair to make me wait until I have surgery, when this is truly who I am,” she said.
If she lived in Ontario, the law would be on her side. In April 2012, that province’s human rights tribunal ruled the surgery requirement to be “substantively discriminatory.”
“It perpetuates stereotypes about transgendered persons and their need to have surgery in order to live in accordance with their gender identity, among other things,” adjudicator Sheri Price wrote in her decision.
That ruling provided the basis for a policy change that, in October 2012, made Ontario the first jurisdiction in Canada to allow trans people to change their sex designation on a birth certificate without sex reassignment surgery. Now, a trans person in Ontario can apply for a new birth certificate with only a letter from a physician or psychologist.
Similar precedents have been set in Argentina, Germany and New Zealand.
For Harriette, official identification is more than just a piece of paper.
“If it’s not important, why do we have to have it to cross the border?” she said.
“That little thing, for me, is huge.”
 

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Can the child be considered to be fully capable of making her/his/its own decisions? How much do the parents have to do with it? I hear nothing about a parent involved, just a grandmother who seems to flit around with the kid. Give the border guards a break, they are trying to do a job. Tell the little mouthpiece to STFU.
 

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WTF is a 10 year old doing as transgendered? 8O

Do some research, moron.

Can the child be considered to be fully capable of making her/his/its own decisions? How much do the parents have to do with it? I hear nothing about a parent involved, just a grandmother who seems to flit around with the kid. Give the border guards a break, they are trying to do a job. Tell the little mouthpiece to STFU.


I was surprised to hear that Ontario was a head of the curve on this compared to BC, but after seeing these reply's, I guess I shouldn't be. I guess BC is only a head of the curve when it comes to getting stoned.
 

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Can the child be considered to be fully capable of making her/his/its own decisions? How much do the parents have to do with it? I hear nothing about a parent involved, just a grandmother who seems to flit around with the kid. Give the border guards a break, they are trying to do a job. Tell the little mouthpiece to STFU.

I there are remaining doubts about your mental capacity , Skook, you probably just answered them.to the negative.
children are 'transgendered' for medical reasons at BIRTH ,

JEEEEEZUS spare us :roll::roll:

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WTF is a 10 year old doing as transgendered? 8O

Nick - its a ranch of medicine. Called Obstetrics.:lol:

You gotta quit hanging with Skook...
 

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Gerry do you have a link for more info on this?

Can the child be considered to be fully capable of making her/his/its own decisions? How much do the parents have to do with it? I hear nothing about a parent involved, just a grandmother who seems to flit around with the kid. Give the border guards a break, they are trying to do a job. Tell the little mouthpiece to STFU.

Nasty comment- Consider the child is without doubt receiving counseling and by professionals for this. This issue did not suddenly arise.
 

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Gerry do you have a link for more info on this?



Nasty comment- Consider the child is without doubt receiving counseling and by professionals for this. This issue did not suddenly arise.

Daddy Skook would have, no doubt, abandoned the Babe to the coyotes...8O
 

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Do some research, moron.
A 10 year old doesn't have the mental or emotional capacity to decide to be TG or not. It's that simple. They are not of legal age to do anything. They can't drive or vote or make their own medical decisions. Heck, they are only allowed to testify in court in special circumstances and usually never in a criminal proceeding. Somebody has f*cked this child up in some way.
I was surprised to hear that Ontario was a head of the curve on this compared to BC, but after seeing these reply's, I guess I shouldn't be. I guess BC is only a head of the curve when it comes to getting stoned.
Oh sure. The ultra liberal BC is just stuffed with super conservative, religious rednecks like you and your neighbors in Alberta! :roll:
 

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A 10 year old doesn't have the mental or emotional capacity to decide to be TG or not. It's that simple. They are not of legal age to do anything. They can't drive or vote or make their own medical decisions. Heck, they are only allowed to testify in court in special circumstances and usually never in a criminal proceeding. Somebody has f*cked this child up in some way.


Do some research, here, I'll help you on your way. Words of wisdom right from the mouths of babes.

http://www.theprovince.com/life/Tra...ares+story+with+classmates/8863661/story.html


Oh sure. The ultra liberal BC is just stuffed with super conservative, religious rednecks like you and your neighbors in Alberta! :roll:


I knew some idiot would, once again, label me as a "super conservative, religious redneck", and then there's the other end of the spectrum that labels me the exact opposite. It is nice to see, though, that there are brain dead at either end of the political spectrum.
 

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“It makes me really stressed. It makes me really sad for about an hour before and after. I want to explain myself,” she said, “but I think it’s my right not to have to.”
She needs some education on entering foreign nations. They have every right to ask any question they deem relevant, search your person and belongings including data on your phone or computer and any pics on your camera. In fact they can do basically anything they want. Asking why the passport says he is a boy when presenting himself as a girl is not even remotely unwarranted, part of their job is to ensure your identity is what you claim it is.
 

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She needs some education on entering foreign nations. They have every right to ask any question they deem relevant, search your person and belongings including data on your phone or computer and any pics on your camera. In fact they can do basically anything they want. Asking why the passport says he is a boy when presenting himself as a girl is not even remotely unwarranted, part of their job is to ensure your identity is what you claim it is.

Photo- Biometrics- they will know the Canadian Policy if changed. What is the problem, or is transgendered something you have an issue with?
 

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Do some research, here, I'll help you on your way. Words of wisdom right from the mouths of babes.

‘When do I get to be a boy?’: Transgendered Edmonton student shares his story with classmates
Sorry G, nobody that young has the mental and emotional maturity to make those decisions properly! I'm not saying they won't have that capacity when they hit their middle teens but at 10 they don't even really understand sex or the real differences between genders other than clothing & body parts.

If you are going to 10 year olds for wisdom you might want to seek some professional help!:lol:
I knew some idiot would, once again, label me as a "super conservative, religious redneck", and then there's the other end of the spectrum that labels me the exact opposite. It is nice to see, though, that there are brain dead at either end of the political spectrum.
I only call you that because I have seen enough of you on here to know. ;-)
 

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Do some research, moron.




I was surprised to hear that Ontario was a head of the curve on this compared to BC, but after seeing these reply's, I guess I shouldn't be. I guess BC is only a head of the curve when it comes to getting stoned.

So you queers are put off by questions about the reasoning ability of children. Been alive long?
 

gerryh

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She needs some education on entering foreign nations. They have every right to ask any question they deem relevant, search your person and belongings including data on your phone or computer and any pics on your camera. In fact they can do basically anything they want. Asking why the passport says he is a boy when presenting himself as a girl is not even remotely unwarranted, part of their job is to ensure your identity is what you claim it is.


and she and her Grandmother are trying to do something about that. Namely trying to get BC MLA's to change the law to allow Transgendered persons to have their identification changed like Ontario allows.
 

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Photo- Biometrics- they will know the Canadian Policy if changed. What is the problem, or is transgendered something you have an issue with?

Not at all Goob. I know a few and plenty of homosexuals/lesbians, even ones I'm related too. My issue is with the capacity mentally and emotionally to make those decisions at that age. I don't have a problem with my friends daughter Zoe being Zander at 16. I would have an issue if he was 10 or 12.
 

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Not at all Goob. I know a few and plenty of homosexuals/lesbians, even ones I'm related too. My issue is with the capacity mentally and emotionally to make those decisions at that age. I don't have a problem with my friends daughter Zoe being Zander at 16. I would have an issue if he was 10 or 12.
I go with the Doctors on this.