Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon, not Israel!

[Colpy]

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To them, it is legitimate self-defense. They back this argument by saying that Israel still controls the Sheba Farms, which are part of Lebanon, and still has Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails. Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel.

Turns out Israel captured the Shabba Farms area from SYRIA in 1967. Syria has turned the area over to Lebanon, simply to allow Hezbollah to pretend they are defending Lebanese interests. Anyone who falls into that trap is simply a victim of Syrian manipulation.

 

[thomaska]

Re: RE: Israeli soldiers capt

I thought it was Hamas that was the elected part of the government...

Use your brains folks.

kind of sums it up.

I humbly beg forgiveness for getting my "hate-the-joos" groups confused.

It does get so tedious trying to keep all the "in the name of god" kidnappings, rocket launches and beheadings straight.

 

[Colpy]

Israel's imperialistic attack was planned over a year ago:


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/21/MNG2QK396D1.DTL&hw=kalman&sn=001&sc=1000


Interesting how the reporter indicated that such attacks are carried out in summer when students are off campus and cannot protest against Israel's imperialistic terrorism.

From your own link:

Of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared," said Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University. "In a sense, the preparation began in May 2000, immediately after the Israeli withdrawal, when it became clear the international community was not going to prevent Hezbollah from stockpiling missiles and attacking Israel.

Do you expect Israel to be defenseless?

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon, not Israel!

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To them, it is legitimate self-defense. They back this argument by saying that Israel still controls the Sheba Farms, which are part of Lebanon, and still has Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails. Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel.

Turns out Israel captured the Shabba Farms area from SYRIA in 1967. Syria has turned the area over to Lebanon, simply to allow Hezbollah to pretend they are defending Lebanese interests. Anyone who falls into that trap is simply a victim of Syrian manipulation.

that's nice

who would that be?

 

[Freethinker]

Re: RE: Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon, not Israel!

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To them, it is legitimate self-defense. They back this argument by saying that Israel still controls the Sheba Farms, which are part of Lebanon, and still has Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails. Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel.

Turns out Israel captured the Shabba Farms area from SYRIA in 1967. Syria has turned the area over to Lebanon, simply to allow Hezbollah to pretend they are defending Lebanese interests. Anyone who falls into that trap is simply a victim of Syrian manipulation.

Hardly victims, since most of the people quoting this are merely looking for ammunition. Syria never said boo on this until after the 2000 withdrawl which had Israel leave all Lebanese territory. Syria then used this gambit to give "legitimacy" for continued Hezbollah attacks on Israel. At the time Israel captured it, it was Syrian land and Syria had actually made sure all the inhabitants had Syrian identity cards in the late 1960's. The UN recognizes it as Syrian land. This is simply gamesmanship by Syria. The attack wasn't at Sheeba Farms anyway.

And yes the Israeli tank that was destroyed was chasing down the kidnappers and of course had crossed the line. It ran over a Syrian land mine.

The soldier who were initially killed/captured were on border patrol in Hummers that were hit by RPG/rockets.

I used Aljazeera as a source that backs up the cross border raid by Hezbollah, as the Anti-Israeli folks should have a hard time claiming "Zionist" bias at Aljazeera.

Given this it should be clear that the story of the Syrian analyst that likely sparked the bloggers into action about Israel being on the other side of the border is complete BS.

I see this one as a litmus test to the credulity of people who wish to trash Israel regardless of facts/truth. They routinely dismiss all western media as "Zionist". I would like to hear their justification for Aljazeera being biased in favor of Israel?

Though I do expect some. Conspiracy theorist have strongs sets of rationalizations that protect their psyche from reality. A good book for reading about this process. Is Michael Shermers "Why people believe wierd things".

 

[BitWhys]

ah yes

the vitriol of the righteous who are unwilling to seek both sides of the story...

 

[Graeme]

I love those sources, HAHAHA Hezbollah Says... HAHAHAHA

and anyone notice the "news paper article" on the same site the one that has all the yes and no votes... wow, could that be more wrong.

Canada was a "Yes" vote for immediate cease fire in that image, and we know that isn't true.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon, not Israel!

ah yes

the vitriol of the righteous who are unwilling to seek both sides of the story...

Sometimes it is correct to see both sides, judge, and reject one of them as false.

 

[BitWhys]

a lot of times its just convenient.

 

[gopher]

RE: Israeli soldiers capt

Do you expect Israel to be defenseless?


You mean, like this:

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/fleeing.jpg

Lebanese civilians fleeing Israeli bombing.

 

[gopher]

RE: Israeli soldiers capt

The fact that F would interpret this information that way shows their pro-Israel bias.

And their hatred for Muslims and for the truth.

 

[gopher]

RE: Israeli soldiers capt

BTW, you will note that many of the sources I have used here have one thing in common: they were written by Jews!

 

[iARTthere4iam]

I'm sure that the Israely soldier kidnapped by Hamas dug that huge tunnel to get into Gaza- it's simply beautiful this time of year.

 

[gopher]

maybe it's cause he wants to do some more of this:


http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=1797&CategoryId=21


"The Torture of Palestinian Children Under Israelis"


excerpt:

The most disturbing accounts of torture are those committed against children between the ages of 13 and 18. DCI/PS reports that nothing has improved since the 1999 ruling, with every imprisoned child testifying to some form of torture, or other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. In fact new methods of torture have been developed and are being used more frequently, including more psychologically focused techniques such as the use of isolation, using Palestinian collaborators to extract confessions, or pressuring children to collaborate with the Israeli military. Since September 2000, the Defence for Children International - Palestine Section estimates that approximately 700 children have been arrested by the Israeli military, over 160 of which remain incarcerated. 95% of these children have been arrested for throwing stones and are tortured until they confess to throwing 150 stones and name others who took part in such activities. If a confession is extracted from the child during interrogation by the military intelligence or the ISA, they are sent to the police station in order to make the same confession, in order for it to be legally recognized.

 

[Freethinker]

And what does this have to do with the topic of the thread? Just more propaganda that has nothing to do with the topic.

Why don't you simply start a topic called: "why I hate Israel" and post all your propaganda there and it would be on topic.

Other wise your hate mission is simply a non sequitur in most threads.

 

[iARTthere4iam]

Re: RE: Israeli soldiers capt

I heard that israel dropped leaflets warning civillians to move north of the Litani river to avoid being killed and that hamas has not allowed people to leave. anyone hear of this?

 

[gopher]

And what does this have to do with the topic of the thread?


Once again Freethinker {sic} objects to the TRUTH. Please note that, as always, he objects to its revelation but offers nothing in the way of rebuttal for its truth. Instead, he projects his hatred for Muslims by accusing me of hating Jews (this despite my past disclosure of being of Jewish descent). If Freethinker {sic} would open his eyes, mind, and heart he would see the errors of his ways and learn that it is Israel that is the evil aggressor in this conflict. All of my posts clearly and unequivocally prove my point. His failure to offer even a semblance of rational counterpoint makes that incontrovertible.

 

[gopher]

looks like the Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon after all:

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401


BBC reported on this evening's news that it appears this is correct. Thus, everybody was initially deceived by the Zionist government's propaganda. All the more reason to read Ostrovsky' By Way of Deception.

 

[fuflans]

looks like the Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon after all:

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

Do you have a link for the BBC report? I couldn't find anything like it on their website.

Also, since they were released so soon after the event, isn't it just as possible that the initial reports that were quoted in the article might simply have been incorrect?

 

[ckeo]

Since 2000, Hizbullah violated the Blue Line on the Israeli-Lebanese border 100 times, while Israeli violated that line 11,782 times. (These numbers are based on UN observers and were cited by Lebanese Speaker of Parliament in his interview with Al-Arabiya TV)