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Zzarchov

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Uh huh,

And you don't think that the way our own nation acts when put in the exact same situation is important?

Looks like someone wants to blame Jews, but not accept any blame for acting the same way.
 

einmensch

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An Israeli accident other. It's the truth. Israeli truth and honour. Zzzzzzzzzzzz truth----
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – A Palestinian medical official says an Israeli gunboat firing off the shores of Gaza City has wounded a man and a girl.
The Israeli military says it was firing to deter a Palestinian fishing vessel that had strayed off-limits.
Dr. Moaiya Hassanain says a shell fired by the boat hit a house in a beachside refugee camp. He says the two who were wounded were walking in the street.
Another shell landed about 100 yards (meters) away in an empty area near a U.N. aid distribution center.
Three gunboats were operating off Gaza City's coast Thursday.
Gunboats have been firing off Gaza's shore for several days despite a cease-fire that has ended a three-week Israeli offensive against Gaza rocket operations aimed at Israel.
 

einmensch

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Raphael Eiten Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Force 1983--"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it is scurry around like drugged cock roaches in a bottle" New York Times April 14, 1983

Jews report that there are 35,000 Jew Haters in the USA.
Carter the JEW HATER
“I have spent a lot of time in Palestine in recent years. … The Palestinians have had their own land, first of all, occupied and then confiscated and then colonized. They’ve been excluded from their own gardens and fields, and pastures and churches. They have been severely restrained in their movements. They have to have different kinds of passes to go through different checkpoints inside their own lands on their own roads. The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.They connect these settlements with very nice roads for the Israeli settlers, and then superhighways and so forth going into Jerusalem. Quite often the Palestinians are prevented from even riding on those roads that have been built in their own territory. So this has been in many ways worse than it was in South Africa.”

Thank You, Jimmy Carter
Carter received 71% of the Jewish vote in 1976.
Obama 78% of Jewish vote in 2008
Open Letter from American Jews

AND then we have the worst of all THE Self-Hating Jew
YouTube - Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss


The heading of Abbas's doctoral thesis was: Zionist Leadership and the Nazis. The introduction dealt with, among other topics, "the secret ties between the Nazis and the Zionist movement leadership." It further raised doubts that gas chambers were used to kill the Jews. He argued that the gas chambers were not used to kill people, but only to disinfect them and burn bodies to prevent disease.

Abbas better not go to Germany our Austria--prison on arrival
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/2006December/contents_prog_con_Friedman.htm
We can't call him a Jew hater --SOO we call him a self-hating Jew--I guess self hating Jews don't go to prison --very confusing
YouTube - Zionist Israel: What the world should know
 

dancing-loon

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George Mitchell named special envoy for the Middle East,


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/22/obama.mitchell/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

good choice.....
I don't know him closely and looked up his Bio:

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He is of Lebanese and Irish parentage... very handsome
 

dancing-loon

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Well Loon, here is the hypocrisy in that statement.

You stand as a European on Native Land. This land was taken from Native North Americans by Europeans through the unlawful use of force.

And while you yourself did nothing, nor did the Israeli citizens. In your case, the fighting was done even by the ancestors of others, you just immigrated here. So too is the case with more Israelis.

So If a native told you to abandon your house right now and leave , and all your children and their children had to leave Canada too? Would you? And if you didn't would they be right to shoot rockets at your house and try and kill your family?
:lol: Nice trap! But sure, I would swim back to Germany. Problem is, would they take me back? I'm no longer a citizen = no rights; would have to beg for asylum!:roll:
As for the Natives having the right to shoot and kill me... hm... in a way, yes, if we hadn't made peace and signed certain agreements. I would try to negotiate with them and propose to take one of their many cottages on Lake Huron, and they can have my house here in town. :lol:

Zzarkov, aren't you comparing apples with onions? It is not the Palestinians (Natives) who drive the Jews (Europeans) off the land, it's the other way around. The Jews are in the process of taking the Land away from the Natives to this day! All agreements worked out over the years always failed, because of Israelis not wanting to give back the land unlawfully taken from the Natives.
You and MHz have discussed these issues in the meantime, and eao, and ein Mensch are much more knowledgeable than I could ever be on these topics.
(I've been stuck for the last 2 hours on a site about the Russian Oligarchs - am tired now.)In case anyone is interested, here is the link:
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Sorry, I see it is in German. Ein Mensch might be interested?

Anyway, Zzarchov, all I wanted to find out was, when did the first Europeans come over here and started to drive the Natives off their land? Was it 1600 something?
Long time ago. We were then like the Israelis are now.
 

Zzarchov

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:lol: Nice trap! But sure, I would swim back to Germany. Problem is, would they take me back? I'm no longer a citizen = no rights; would have to beg for asylum!:roll:

How is that any different than any Israeli citizen?

As for the Natives having the right to shoot and kill me... hm... in a way, yes, if we hadn't made peace and signed certain agreements. I would try to negotiate with them and propose to take one of their many cottages on Lake Huron, and they can have my house here in town. :lol:

And when they say no? You and your descendants cannot stay and they refuse to recognize your right to live here, ever? Thats Hamas and why the west is boycotting them.

Zzarkov, aren't you comparing apples with onions? It is not the Palestinians (Natives) who drive the Jews (Europeans) off the land, it's the other way around.

No, thats it exactly. In the 1840's to 1940's the Israelis took Palestinian land. Canadians took Native land up into the 1950's, really up until the 70's. Some can say we still are.

So if the Natives decided to shoot at you to get back their land, should they?

The Jews are in the process of taking the Land away from the Natives to this day! All agreements worked out over the years always failed, because of Israelis not wanting to give back the land unlawfully taken from the Natives.

Not quite, they already gave back more than half their land to make peace. They are willing unilaterally to give back even more. They already offered to let the palestinians go, they unilaterally left Gaza, but its not enough, it never is. Hamas plainly states it will never be enough until the whole region is an islamic theocracy. That is their mission statement.

Meanwhile, we were taking native land after Israel stopped taking arab land. Which I should note, they legally immigrated to under the jurisdiction of the Ottoman rules by and large.

You and MHz have discussed these issues in the meantime, and eao, and ein Mensch are much more knowledgeable than I could ever be on these topics.
(I've been stuck for the last 2 hours on a site about the Russian Oligarchs - am tired now.)In case anyone is interested, here is the link:
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2nd page under this heading:
Russland: Personen (Postsowjetische Oligarchen)

Sorry, I see it is in German. Ein Mensch might be interested?

Anyway, Zzarchov, all I wanted to find out was, when did the first Europeans come over here and started to drive the Natives off their land? Was it 1600 something?
Long time ago. We were then like the Israelis are now.

We started in the 1500's, but Jewish Settlers started in earnest in the 1840's.

We started opening up the west in the 1860's.

Israel really stopped in the 1940's, taking land from foreign powers in the 60's and immediatly setting about giving it back (they gave back the majority of their landmass for piece with Egypt)

Canada stopped taking land from natives AFTER Israel.
 

einmensch

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Zz-Israel was formed and Israel started to spread like Ringworm in 1948, not before and realized its dream of encroachment in 1967. Israel, all of Palestine for Jews only. Deutchland fuer Deutche<-- Jews didn't like that but Jews only is sacred to them-go figure---best part even when Jews get a free ride to Israel it is their last choice--I guess they see it like you Zz since you are not there as the land of sour milk and sugar coated honey- Israel will have much difficulty conscripting soldiers as emigration exceeds immigration and mouthpieces can't occupy other peoples lands nor secure illegal Jewish only settlements. They will soon need you there Zz.

Immigration to Israel

(1948-2007)


1948101,8281949239,9541950170,5631951175,279195224,610195311,575195418,491195537,528195656,330195772,634195827,290195923,988196024,692196147,735196261,533196364,489196455,036196531,115196615,957196714,469196820,703196938,111197036,750197141,930197255,888197354,886197431,981197520,028197619,754197721,429197826,394197937,222198020,428198112,599198213,723198316,906198419,981198510,64219869,505198712,965198813,0341989
24,300​
1990
200,170​
1991
176,650​
1992
77,350​
1993
77,860​
1994
80,810​
1995
77,660​
1996
72,180​
1997
67,990​
1998
58,500​
1999
78,400​
2000
61,542​
2001
44,633​
2002
35,168​
2003
24,652​
2004
22,500​
2005
22,818​
200620,961200719,700Total3,053,799
Sources: Central Bureau of Statistics, JAFI. Jerusalem Post (December 29, 2002); Ministry of Immigrant Absorption; Washington Jewish Week, (January 3, 2008)​
 

Zzarchov

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Uh huh, its a good thing they also have a birth rate and a growing population, not the least in thanks to their growing Arab Muslim population with its statistically higher birthrate. Who by the way, are also proud Israelis and are quite happy with their time in the military.
 

einmensch

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Uh huh, its a good thing they also have a birth rate and a growing population, not the least in thanks to their growing Arab Muslim population with its statistically higher birthrate. Who by the way, are also proud Israelis and are quite happy with their time in the military.[/quote]

Yes Zz-And the Israeli Minister of Education stated that Arab, Bedouine schools didn't need washrooms because they wouldn't know how to use them.

Nowadays Assad Ghanem scoffs at being called an Arab citizen of Israel. "We are not full citizens, this country is only for the Jews," he told IPS. He has become markedly more disillusioned about the situation over the last couple of years. "The way the police killed our people in 2000 shows that we don't count, we don't even have the possibility to demand our rights."

Businesses in the Arab villages close to the border with Lebanon will get less compensation simply because they are Arab.”

The Arabs of Israel are people to be pitied. They are second-class citizens. They have split loyalties. They suffer all kinds of slights. Some of this may be correct, although I didn't see much of this when I lived in Jaffa eight years ago.

The educational system has given a low priority to teacher training for the Arab school system and provides less "in-service" training to Palestinian Arab teachers already within the system than is routine within the majority system. Palestinian Arab teachers on average have lower qualifications and receive lower salaries than non-Palestinian Arab teachers. Financial incentives for teachers assigned in particularly deprived areas like parts of the Negev are lower than those made available to teachers in Jewish schools identified as hardship postings. Training in special education for teachers in the Arab school system has been largely insufficient.

On June 2, 2004 a report was published by The Musawa Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel. The report paints a grim picture, documenting numerous cases of racism against Israeli Arabs in the past four years. Among other examples, the report cites 16 incidents where Arabs have been killed since the October 2000 riots, where 12 Israeli Arabs died.

The rise in the Bedouin recruitment rate is attributed to Bedouin's difficulty in finding well-paid jobs outside the military and problems with the local authorities. The IDF has also improved its treatment of Bedouin army veterans and is helping them find employment.


Israeli Arabs are treated like dirt but they LOVE to fight for Israel. Zz-give us some sources for your claim.
 

Zzarchov

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Uh huh. You're logic seems to be that Minorities feel excluded therefore the society is aparatheid. Up until a few days ago, America was much the same. Canada still is, let alone France, Britain or any European country.

No matter how you shake it the facts dispute you.
 

einmensch

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What facts Zz-You present no facts. You post your opinion and arrogant as you are you consider your opinions fact. I asked you to provide sources but you don't.

Election day in the United States, 2008, will be remembered in most history books as the day Americans elected the first African-American as president. But it also deserves to go down in history for another reason. It was the first day when Americans rejected the instructions of their pro-Israel politicians and newspapers and instead voted for the principle that non-Jews should be equal with Jews under the law inside Israel, and not discriminated against as they are today in apartheid Israel.

The Significance of This Vote is Enormous
The significance of this vote is enormous. It demonstrates that Americans support the principle of equality, and believe that Israel is wrong in discriminating against non-Jews under the law. It shows that Americans do not want their government to support this discrimination inside Israel, regardless of whether Israel is "our ally" or a "Jewish state." It shows, in other words, that when given a chance to choose between the principle of equality versus the Zionist principle of inequality (that Israel must be a "Jewish" state in which the sovereign authority is "the Jewish people" and not all citizens equally) then Americans chose equality, even when their politicians and newspapers tell them not to.

“Vote No” campaigning by the Boston Globe, both Somerville newspapers and the Israeli Consul for New England, as well as Mayor Curtatone, Congressman Capuano, and both candidates for governor —Deval Patrick (now the Democratic Party governor) and Kerry Healy the Republican–featuring glossy mass mailings and signboards with photographs of all four politicians saying “We Stand With Israel, Vote No on Questions 5 and 6,” and despite the unanimity of all these “respectable” leaders making many voters wonder if perhaps the SDP’s ballot questions that seemed so reasonable on the surface might actually reflect some kind of bad hidden agenda, despite all this the “Yes” vote was 31% for divestment and 45% for supporting the right of return of Palestinians.
Zz getting the picture --Israel is America's best friend is Zionist propaganda . Bribed Corrupt Leaders are Israel's best friend along with a few little dingalings that consider themselves important.
Americans Vote Yes for Equality Between Jews and Non-Jews Inside Israel | Palestine Think Tank

 

einmensch

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"I graduated [from university] nearly two years ago and I can't get a suitable job," said Danny, aged 27, an Ethiopian Jew with a degree in social sciences.

"I'm beginning to think that going to university was a huge effort for nothing," he told IRIN, explaining that he now worked as a parking attendant and washed cars to make ends meet. He felt race played a role in his inability to find a better job.

"We see more and more disassociation and a higher rate of involvement in crime among [the youth in] the Ethiopian sector - much more than their percentage of the general population," Zion Gabai, from Elem, an Israeli NGO that helps children at risk, told IRIN.

Einat Gans from Fidel, an Ethiopian Jewish association for education and integration, said the main issue was not a lack of funds, but the failure of NGOs and the government to draw up and implement the necessary plans to assist the community.
Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.

Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.

Clearing mine fields would be a good job for these recent Etheopian University grads. They can enjoy the free democratic Promised Land.
 

darkbeaver

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Uh huh. You're logic seems to be that Minorities feel excluded therefore the society is aparatheid. Up until a few days ago, America was much the same. Canada still is, let alone France, Britain or any European country.

No matter how you shake it the facts dispute you.

Actually that wasn't the point Zz, it was that Jews don't want to live there because of the rascism. America is fixed now is it? That's wonderful news, there is hope for Israel then. Now if it only had time.
 

Goober

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Earned it? Maybe so. Lord it over they who they deem as beneath them? Too often. Perhaps a bit of humility might soften the harsh edges that invite persecution. Arrogance - in anyone - invites contempt.

Woof!


If you look back to the US Civil Rights battles of the 50’s -60’s Jewish support for this was public and support was vocal – Funds were provided – Their influence was substantial