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The average Canadian does not and does not want to know what happens here.
When your backs to the see and you have 1 billion arabs pushing you will understand.
We are the original inhabitants. This is our home.
RPG's are totally useless outside of urban warfare settings, Qassam/katyusha rockets are the main residential attackers. Israel has already developed a weapons system that can shoot these down, its entering service withing a few years.
Take a look around it might be a step down from ethnic cleansing, but your **** dont smell like roses.
The Native Americans are much more advanced as a people than arabs. If it wasnt for oil arabs would still be running around in the desert cutting each others heads off (many still do).
You will find that all new settlements are illegal and existing ones are being taken down.
The arab hordes tried to raise Israel on 4 separate occasions in the last 60 years, DO NOT lecture me on displacement and homelessness.
Israel has extended the peace branch more than once, after a while it gets heavy.
Its for vineyards and plantations, they use it in the negev, turns desert into a oasis.
Oh deserts into oasis. That's an old propaganda story isn't it? Israel will be completely dry by mid century unless it aquires some big rivers somewhere. Desalination of the necessary scale would be extremely inefficient with present tech. It's to bad seems the whole place is just going to dry up and blow away. God has a sence of humour I guess. Could be some leathal pathocratic political events long before that though.
Over a million people were living in what is today Israel before Zionists showed up. Many of these people can trace their presence in this area for hundreds or even thousands of years. Many of these people probably descend from ancestors who were Jewish and converted to Islam and Christianity.
In other words, not all Jews fled this area. The genetic evidence shows many Jews stayed behind and are the ancestors of modern Palestinians. Some of those who stayed behind changed religion, while others remained Jewish. Many of the Jews who claim they are returning to ancestral homelands don't even originate from this area. Some do descend from people who originated in the middle east but mixed with local populations. Some Jews are just people who converted to Judaism:
Genetically, Jewish and non-Jewish Palestinians have similar genes and many share common ancestors with the Jews who fled this area millenia ago. At the same time, many Jews who claim they are returning to their ancestral homeland have little to no connection to people who originated in this area.
People like sensfan may believe God gave them this land and therefore the right to ethnically cleanse this area of its non-Jewish inhabitants, but the victims who continue to suffer oppression and injustice as a result will never stop fighting for freedom and justice.
The beliefs of people like S, are racist. Their belief that God gave them the right to oppress and ethnically cleanse inferiors is little different than Nazis who also believed they were born with similar God given entitlements.
In other words, not all Jews fled this area. The genetic evidence shows many Jews stayed behind and are the ancestors of modern Palestinians. Some of those who stayed behind changed religion, while others remained Jewish. Many of the Jews who claim they are returning to ancestral homelands don't even originate from this area. Some do descend from people who originated in the middle east but mixed with local populations. Some Jews are just people who converted to Judaism:
Genetically, Jewish and non-Jewish Palestinians have similar genes and many share common ancestors with the Jews who fled this area millenia ago. At the same time, many Jews who claim they are returning to their ancestral homeland have little to no connection to people who originated in this area.
People like sensfan may believe God gave them this land and therefore the right to ethnically cleanse this area of its non-Jewish inhabitants, but the victims who continue to suffer oppression and injustice as a result will never stop fighting for freedom and justice.
The beliefs of people like S, are racist. Their belief that God gave them the right to oppress and ethnically cleanse inferiors is little different than Nazis who also believed they were born with similar God given entitlements.
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Jewish/Palestine history is long, complex and intertwined. Religion has been misused to justify atrocities on both sides. This conflict is a result of recent colonization, or recolonization. Religion has been misused to classify people into haves and have nots.
Israel caused hundreds of thousands of people who had homes to become nationless refugees. 60 years later, war continues... Palestinians have endured injustice and oppression for generations now and most Canadians are indifferent.
I don't advocate violence but I do recognize these people have rights:
No I don't think people should resort to violence. Israelis can be embarassed and ashamed into peace.
Israel caused hundreds of thousands of people who had homes to become nationless refugees. 60 years later, war continues... Palestinians have endured injustice and oppression for generations now and most Canadians are indifferent.
I don't advocate violence but I do recognize these people have rights:
No I don't think people should resort to violence. Israelis can be embarassed and ashamed into peace.
I'v read somewhere a while back that the strongest concentration of semite DNA resides in the former Palestinians, which makes Israelis anti-semites. The truth is stranger than fiction.
So tell me DB, how much of that wealth you possess, do you send to the Palestinian refugees?
Israel cannot be shamed, while you wait for that your beard will get caught in your lawn mower.
None Bear. Why do you ask? All my charitable money goes to arm Iran and N Korea and a much smaller portion to re-elect Mugabe.
Mugabe doesn't need money for re-election, its not like he can lose.
@Earth as one
I notice you don't seem to believe Hamas can be shamed into peace?
Are you saying they are lesser human beings with no sense of dignity, or that their actions are not shameful?
@Earth as one
I notice you don't seem to believe Hamas can be shamed into peace?
Are you saying they are lesser human beings with no sense of dignity, or that their actions are not shameful?
Well he can't loose as long as the chicken **** opposition keeps running away from elections and kissing G8 arse. Nobody wants the new colonials running the place again except the new colonials and the banks which are related diseases.
And by New Colonials you mean Mugabe right? Who sells out his nation to Chinese interests?
You should read Animal farm, its comically true. Goodbye old boss, hello new boss who is exactly the same.
How exactly is it chicken **** to run from an election where they use rape as a method to keep people from supporting the opposition? If someone said "You know we are going to get an aids infected man to rape your wife, daughters and mother if you oppose Mugabe" I think I might say "You know, win or lose this election those douchebags are still gonna be in the country, maybe I should just leave".
I mean, even if Mugabe lost the Election, he flat out told everyone "We aren't going to respect the election, I'll just call in the army to shoot the opposition".
Running away from an election is one thing, running away from being shot in the street is just logical. There never was an election.
You should read Animal farm, its comically true. Goodbye old boss, hello new boss who is exactly the same.
How exactly is it chicken **** to run from an election where they use rape as a method to keep people from supporting the opposition? If someone said "You know we are going to get an aids infected man to rape your wife, daughters and mother if you oppose Mugabe" I think I might say "You know, win or lose this election those douchebags are still gonna be in the country, maybe I should just leave".
I mean, even if Mugabe lost the Election, he flat out told everyone "We aren't going to respect the election, I'll just call in the army to shoot the opposition".
Running away from an election is one thing, running away from being shot in the street is just logical. There never was an election.
He should just shoot the opposition they are traitors and western paid scum. All you got in your post is the crapppily written second hand propaganda you got off CTV and FOX. Why didn't you heap the babies being thrown out of incubators on top just for added effect? It's always a tear jerking favourite of the underpowered. Oh and by the way I was going for a sweep of the front page when you decided to add your f-ing post, I'm punishing you with a bad rep point.
I think I'd trust people IN Zimbabwe and even basic facts.
The party overwhelmingly won parliment, and won pretty substantially the first presidential election, then Mugabe said "No vote will strip me of my presidency I won through battle", and there was alot of "random violence" that only happened to the opposition, and the opposition decided to flee rather than win an election.
I mean, when Nelson Mandela calls you an illegitimate thug and you rose to power fighting white supremacy, its probably true.
The party overwhelmingly won parliment, and won pretty substantially the first presidential election, then Mugabe said "No vote will strip me of my presidency I won through battle", and there was alot of "random violence" that only happened to the opposition, and the opposition decided to flee rather than win an election.
I mean, when Nelson Mandela calls you an illegitimate thug and you rose to power fighting white supremacy, its probably true.
Different motivations for resorting to violence. Who is more likely to be shamed, an old lady fighting to hang onto her purse or the youth trying to snatch her purse? Sure the youth is more likely to overpower the old lady, but they lack the moral justification for their violence.
Palestinians fight for freedom and justice. They fight to keep what little they still have. Israelis fight to keep what they took by force. They fight to continue taking more from people who have almost nothing.
Also, Hamas didn't exist until after Palestinians were driven from their homes and into refugee camps. Hamas was formed in response to rape, torture and murder. But Hamas and their ways do not represent all Palestinians. Take the people of Bi'lin for example. Bi'lin's non-violent resistance demonstrates the best of humanity and the people of Bi'lin should be proud. Their treatment by Israel represents the worst of humanity. Israel should be ashamed.
Canada should not help Israel commit crimes against humanity.
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Mandela doesn't think much of Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria either:
Also don't forget, Mandela himself was once a terrorist fighting to overthrow a regime which believed in race based entitlement, just like the Israeli government believes in religious based entitlement.
People should pay attention when people who fought Apartheid draw parallels between Apartheid South Africa and present day Israel:
Did the old lady murder the youth's little sister for being the wrong race in her neighbourhood thats been "pure" since the 30's.
No they don't, They avoid fighting for freedom or a just society and support dictatorships and oppress any actual movements for freedom that occur in their own land. They want a theocracy (openly) and oppress their own christian populations who have the same rights to be there as anyone.
No, they fight to expand their holdings and carve a new nation from the lands of other nations (the west bank was part of Jordan)
No they fight because some people want to kill them and drive them off the land of their birth because they don't believe in the same religion.
No..if they wanted that there wouldn't be anything left in Palestine, let alone free supplies coming in.
No...Hamas is an Offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood which doesn't just fight Israel.
Again, thats now how they formed.
On September 4, 2007, the Israeli Supreme Court ordered the government to redraw the path of the wall because the current route was deemed "highly prejudicial" to the villagers of Bil'in. Chief Justice Dorit Beinish wrote in the ruling, "We were not convinced that it is necessary for security-military reasons to retain the current route that passes on Bilin’s lands." The case was filed two years ago by the local council leader of Bilin, Ahmed Issa Abdullah Yassin, who hired Israeli human rights lawyer Michael Sfard to argue the case. The Israeli Defence Ministry says it will respect the ruling
Ya thats shameful the way they respond to non-violent protests far better than to rockets in the face.
Nor do we.