Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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gerryh

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No - Cannot answer a hard question - made it easy - No straw man at all - where would you prefer to be tried?


The question is part of a strawman argument. How other countries handle different situations, or the same situation has nothing to do with how Israel handles a situation. You are trying to deflect....and doing a piss poor job of it.
 

MHz

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No - Cannot answer a hard question - made it easy - No straw man at all - where would you prefer to be tried?
Is my nationality the same as the country I do the crime in. For instance if I was a Jew in Israel being tried for killing an Iranian I would probably get off using just the court appointed Lawyer. Being gay you better head for a Christian country or you are going to be sorry. In our land whoever pays the most in Lawyers frees wins the case (usually, appeals are like bonuses for the courts)

From what I hear, in one of those countries you go through 4 trials, one room for each piece of you that is left after you were drawn and quartered at the time of the crime (or arrest).
 

Goober

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The question is part of a strawman argument. How other countries handle different situations, or the same situation has nothing to do with how Israel handles a situation. You are trying to deflect....and doing a piss poor job of it.

Not at all -

In most Arab countries if convicted of murder you can pay blood money to the family -

In Saudi it is now on average 5 million US -

It has become such a problem that the Clerics are speaking out against this as corruption of the Faith - which it is - Check the Quran.

Homosexuality is a Capital offence - Death in many Arab Countries -
It is not illegal in Israel -

So straw man - No - Knowledge of the area - Yes.
 

gerryh

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Not at all -

In most Arab countries if convicted of murder you can pay blood money to the family -

In Saudi it is now on average 5 million US -

It has become such a problem that the Clerics are speaking out against this as corruption of the Faith - which it is - Check the Quran.

Homosexuality is a Capital offence - Death in many Arab Countries -
It is not illegal in Israel -

So straw man - No - Knowledge of the area - Yes.


Whatever....same argument the morons used when the americans were accused of torture over waterboarding.." do you realize what the enemy does?" When an argument or defense can not be made, then deflect.
 

Goober

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Whatever....same argument the morons used when the americans were accused of torture over waterboarding.." do you realize what the enemy does?" When an argument or defense can not be made, then deflect.
Look at it what ever way you wish - I know why I posted it and the reasoning behind it -

Disagree - fine -

Tell me I am lying - Not fine.
 

Goober

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Well, since you obviously don't know the difference between a liar and a moron, then I guess the implication should be changed to an obvious fact.
I do know the difference - do you know when someone is telling you the truth or lying?
 

Goober

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ROFL..... here we go round the mulberry bush......................
No bush here -
Either I was lying or I was not -

I belive EAO to be a one sided simpleton -

Everything I post and in his reply and rant is Isreal & War Crimes-

So I made it simple - for him - I am sure you can understand that.
 

gerryh

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No bush here -
Either I was lying or I was not -

I belive EAO to be a one sided simpleton -

Everything I post and in his reply and rant is Isreal & War Crimes-

So I made it simple - for him - I am sure you can understand that.

what I understand is your complete lack of understanding. No where did I state OR imply that you were lying about anything. I also refuse to spend anymore time on this merry-go-round of yours.
 

gerryh

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No it absolutely is not.....read between the lines.....which nation considers important western values, rule of law, and yes, human rights????

And which is, and should be, our ally?


That's not what mayberry's goober was asking.

But in answer to your questions..... Not Israel on 3 of the 4 points.
 

Colpy

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That's not what mayberry's goober was asking.

But in answer to your questions..... Not Israel on 3 of the 4 points.

If you think that, you know very little about Israel........flawed, yes.......but superior in every way to the other nations listed.....
 

gerryh

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If you think that, you know very little about Israel........flawed, yes.......but superior in every way to the other nations listed.....


See, there's the problem in your and mayberry goobers argument. Can Israel not stand on it's own? Do you not think they can do that? Are they so bad that they can only be propped up by comparing them to MORE evil and invasive regimes?
 

Goober

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what I understand is your complete lack of understanding. No where did I state OR imply that you were lying about anything. I also refuse to spend anymore time on this merry-go-round of yours.

gerry
How else would a resonable person interpret this -
If it was not meant that way I would take your word for that- fine say so -

Not a problem then is it?

Your words -
what I understand is your complete lack of understanding. No where did I state OR imply that you were lying about anything. I also refuse to spend anymore time on this merry-go-round of yours.

Whatever....same argument the morons used when the americans were accused of torture over waterboarding.." do you realize what the enemy does?" When an argument or defense can not be made, then deflect.
 

Colpy

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See, there's the problem in your and mayberry goobers argument. Can Israel not stand on it's own? Do you not think they can do that? Are they so bad that they can only be propped up by comparing them to MORE evil and invasive regimes?

Well, that would be a good point......except that all the other countries are either bordering Israel, or extremely hostile to Israel, or have been at war with Israel in living memory.........they are the opposing side, so to speak.

So, nothing is black or white, sometimes one must choose the lightest shade of gray........