Is there proof of life after death

[eanassir]

Not going to think about 'life after death', how about 'life on earth', there is a point
to that I would think, as the importance of our connection to our earth is far too
ignored, and all of this energy about life after death, is so hollow.

There was a man in the time of Moses and Joshua, called Balaam the son of Bosor; he was a worshipper; he served God 1000 months (which I think equals about 80 years); his prayers were answered; his tongue in the prayer moved according to God's good pleasure.

Then this man apostatized ad coveted the wealth and the temporary enjoyment of the World, and he lost all his rank and degree and position before God Most Gracious.

His story is written in the Torah (included in the Old Testament: the book of Joshua)

God – be exalted – mentioned his story in the Quran 7: 175-176​

وَاتْلُ عَلَيْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذِيَ آتَيْنَاهُ آيَاتِنَا فَانسَلَخَ مِنْهَا فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَكَانَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ . وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَكِنَّهُ أَخْلَدَ إِلَى الأَرْضِ وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(And recite to the [Jews] the story of [Balaam] to whom We gave Our signs, but he was stripped off them, and Satan pursued him, so he became one of those who beguile.

Had We pleased We would have raised him up [to Paradise] because of that [: his piety and worship]; but he inclined to [stay on] the earth, and followed his [own vain] desires…etc.)

The story of Balaam who lived in the time of Joshua, is written in the Book of Numbers, chapter 22.

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[talloola]

There was a man in the time of Moses and Joshua, called Balaam the son of Bosor; he was a worshipper; he served God 1000 months (which I think equals about 80 years); his prayers were answered; his tongue in the prayer moved according to God's good pleasure.​

Then this man apostatized ad coveted the wealth and the temporary enjoyment of the World, and he lost all his rank and degree and position before God Most Gracious.​

His story is written in the Torah (included in the Old Testament: the book of Joshua)​

God – be exalted – mentioned his story in the Quran 7: 175-176​

وَاتْلُ عَلَيْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذِيَ آتَيْنَاهُ آيَاتِنَا فَانسَلَخَ مِنْهَا فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَكَانَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ . وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَكِنَّهُ أَخْلَدَ إِلَى الأَرْضِ وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(And recite to the [Jews] the story of [Balaam] to whom We gave Our signs, but he was stripped off them, and Satan pursued him, so he became one of those who beguile.​

Had We pleased We would have raised him up [to Paradise] because of that [: his piety and worship]; but he inclined to [stay on] the earth, and followed his [own vain] desires…etc.)​

The story of Balaam who lived in the time of Joshua, is written in the Book of Numbers, chapter 22. ​

eanassir

http://man-after-death.site.io​

Life on earth is a paradise, to live is to 'soar' and 'have energy' and the pleasure of
walking on this earth, our home, is one I will never abuse, as there are millions who
are not here any more, who, I'm sure would trade me places any day, if they could.
I continue the path of my parents, who before me, did what I am doing during their
lives, and because of them, I now can enjoy my life here.
I'm not going to take my eye off the ball, I see what I have here, and I appreciate every
minute of it, and I'm not going to wander around kneeling and praying to something
which has nothing to do with this earth or our lives here.
And, if you think for one minute, that you are a better person than I, or anyone else
like me, then you have missed the point entirely.

 

[eanassir]

Life on earth is a paradise, to live is to 'soar' and 'have energy' and the pleasure of
walking on this earth, our home ...

The patient that was a hypocrite:
Once I saw a man: a patient, he came that I may examine him and give him the medical advice.
This man had a myocardial infarction, which is truly dangerous situation for him; so this over middle age man started to cry and weep; I thought he cried for fear of God, but this foolish cried for other reason; he said: "I cry for this beautiful World, how I shall depart from it, and I shall leave my wealth to others to enjoy it."

I surprised from his condition; I don't remember I met someone like this foolish; so I rebuked him, and said to him:
"Aren't you a Muslim? Don't you know that this life of the World will not last forever, and that man should seek after God's good pleasure?"
He said crying: "Yes, I know, but this World is beautiful; how can I leave it?"

So I know that he was a hypocrite, and a Worldly man, and in fact he was a sinner, and he was afraid lest he should die and go to his True Master Who will recompense him according to his many sins; and I was about to beat him on his face, but that he was a patient.

Then, I said to him: "I hope that God may cure you, but you should not do as such; it is better for you to seek after God's good pleasure by serving Him alone and leave all your atheism and association with God and give alms to the poor and needy specially among your family and kindred, and let all that be for the sake of God alone."

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 62: 8 ​

قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say [to them]: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you,
then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open];
and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)


A true believer and his son:
The following is another example, opposite to that foolish hypocrite:
A man brought his son to the hospital for some surgical operation; he started to instruct his son and say to him:
"No god but God alone, Mohammed is the apostle of God; to God we shall ultimately return; He is our True Master: the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."

I said to him kindly: "You may make him fearful."

He said: "No, he is a true believer; and knows that whatever God decrees, we accept and are glad with."

So I admired him and his son, and kissed his forehead, and I and his father prayed for the boy cure and health. And his operation succeeded and his son regained his consciousness and became intact once again.


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

Kinda sounds like a Bob Dylan song..... Everybody must get stoned.....

Why do you go to such points, instead of considering the idea in this parable?

It is only a symbolic story, I read it in some magazines, I don't think it is a true story; but I mentioned it in order to demonstrate the idea that some only dispute and insist on wrangling whatever answer they may be given. ​

 

[talloola]

The patient that was a hypocrite:​

The unbeliever, (as you call them), can, and do live and die, without being afraid, just
because they do not believe in your god, or any god for that matter, doesn't mean they
are wimpering hypocrites. The strong come in many colors and styles, believers and non
believers.
I understand that I will die some day, and all I ask is that I have a chance to live my life in
a normal natural way to old age, then I will graciously move over and let my energy go, and
leave my life behind. I will leave a lot of energy behind when I go, and that energy will be
living in my daughters, I see it now, and I am proud of them, they are smart and good.
It is normal, not to want to leave this world, it is wonderful here, and a realistic person knows, that there is no more, it is the end, and at a certain age and experience, one can let it go, it's OK. It is not a hypocrite, but a realistic and strong person who can 'die'
with grace and strength, knowing there is 'no' afterlife, and if one believes there is an afterlife, it would be relatively easy to die, as you believe you will go on to a different
way of living, so, what's the big problem, as you're not 'really really' dying at all, just crossing over to another level.
I would rather face reality 'head on', and realize what will happen at the end of my life,
rather than put myself in some 'level of fantasy' where I have let someone convince me that I will go to an afterlife. I am a realist, and proud of it. I don't follow 'groups', I follow
my instincts, and intelligence, and again, I must be true to myself.

 

[scratch]

The patient that was a hypocrite:​

The unbeliever, (as you call them), can and do live and die, without being afraid, just
because they do not believe in your god, or any god for that matter, doesn't mean they
are wimpering hypocrites. The strong come in many colors and styles, believers and non
believers.
I understand that I will die some day, and all I ask is that I have a chance to live my life in
a normal natural way to old age, then I will graciously move over and let my energy go, and
leave my life behind. I will leave a lot of energy behind when I go, and that energy will be
living in my daughters, I see it now, and I am proud of them, they are smart and good.
It is normal, not to want to leave this world, it is wonderful here, and a realistic person knows, that there is no more, it is the end, and at a certain age and experience, one can let it go, it's OK. It is not a hypocrite, but a realistic and strong person who can 'die'
with grace and strength, knowing there is 'no' afterlife, and if one believes there is an afterlife, it would be relatively easy to die, as you believe you will go on to a different
way of living, so, what's the big problem, as you're not 'really really' dying at all, just crossing over to another level.
I would rather face reality 'head on', and realize what will happen at the end of my life,
rather than put myself in some 'level of fantasy' where I have let someone convince me that I will go to an afterlife. I am a realist, and proud of it. I don't follow 'groups', I follow
my instincts, and intelligence, and again, I must be true to myself.

Lady of the Island,

Very well put and I shall second you.

 

[talloola]

Lady of the Island,

Very well put and I shall second you.

That's good

 

[typingrandomstuff]

No man and woman. Wrongdoers are punished in the most unexpected ways. I don't know my position. I am currently serving my sentences as well.

 

[Hawkins]

I believe that I ever died once. I went all the way down to the last point. I thus gathered some information through the experience. Though people call that NDE, it seems to me mine is a special one. Here are some of the characteristics.

1. You know you are going to die
Death (natural death at least) is a destined or fated process. So when time comes you know clearly that you are going to die. Sensitive people know that around several days before death, some of them know exactly which day they are going to die.

Less sensitive people will also go through this "know" process. From my experience, I knew clearly that I was going to die. No one told me that as no one ever expected my death/NDE. Yet I simply knew clearly that I was going to die.

2. A New Dimension
Once you know that you are going to die you will go desperate, if you death is unexpected, as such in my case. I was suffered from a virus attack. The next thing you will feel about is a brand new space dimension. I later on figured out that it's because my soul started to leave off my body. And I conclude that our physical bodies can only perceive 3-dimensional space. We are made so not to perceive other dimensions. Our senses limit our perceptions to the 3D space surrounding us. Yet our souls can perceive other dimension(s) once they are no longer bound by our physical bodies/senses.

3. Time is slowing down
Once you enter the death process with your soul tilting a bit off your body, other than the perception of a new dimension(s), you (I think it's actually your soul) will also perceive that time seems to slow down. There's always a long wait in between what will happen next. So it gives plenty of time for you to think. I was conscious (I believe so) so i thought a lot, very sane and practical things of which even with an after review I still can't find any flaw there showing that it's delusional.

Other than all the practical things one will think of when facing death, you will keep asking what's next during the wait.

4. The environment is dim
Thou it's a sunshine afternoon, what I saw (I think that's what my soul saw) is a dim environment. Later on I found a good description for this extra dimension(s), it’s a gloomy dungeon(s) as mentioned in the Scripture. And at the moment when I saw normal lighting, I realized right away that I was back.

There are other events showing that I might actually be paying a visit to Hades.

5. A pulling force
Whenever my soul tried to sit up, I perceived a pulling force from my body to draw my soul back to the body. I didn't realize this during the death process. It's afterwards when I thought back that I realized this behavior. I tried several times to sit up while my body kept pulling me back.

On the reality side, there's no evidence showing that I had ever sat up. I was lying on the bed all the times. So after backing to reality and doing an after thought, I conclude that it was my soul that did the sitting up, while my body kept pulling it back to position.

And I wonder if this is applicable to everyone, I think that others' souls may be less "attached" to the bodies to feel the pulling force. Maybe it's easier for others souls’ to get off the bodies. I am clueless about this yet.

6. Something coming out
Then I felt that something was trying to come out of my body. I didn't know what it is. All I knew is that after its coming out there will be no turning back. Death is a one way ticket. I tried for awhile to keep it inside me. Then I thought to myself, "if by fate that I am going to die, why should I fight it, why not just let it go". Finally, I made a decision to let whatever inside me come out.

I sided my head while I could still have a glance at the chain of shadows floating out of me. At the beginning, the first one or two shadows were passive ones, till the third (or second), it was an active one. I was scared and sat up as a kind of reflex action. All of a sudden, it seemed that the active shadow took control of me that I made a loud roar. Then I was pulling back onto the bed. I could feel my jaws when the roar was made, and I could feel my back touching the bed when I dropped back.

Since I had no concept about souls and spirits at that moment, to be precise, I knew that I might have a soul but I didn't know that souls can be different from spirits. So mistakenly I thought it was my soul that coming out of me. It's a month later that I started to realize that it's my spirit(s) that came out of me. Still I don't know if the whole chain of shadows are called a spirit, or only the active one is called the spirit, or we can actually accommodate more than one spirits. I have no clue yet about this.

7. Other entities were around
at the moment when the active spirit took control and I made a loud voice, I heard a lot of "wows" around, it seemed to me that there were people around my bed watching. I didn't pay much attention to that as I was more scared by what happened to me at the moment. Moreover, I thought that it might be from other patients who heard my voice. It was later on that I realized that they were the supernatural entities, possibly the so called wicked souls.

8. A Spell-casting
now I felt the high pressure from my heart, it seemed that my heart beat had not yet come to a stop. It's truly uncomfortable. I waited for awhile till the last moment came. I knew automatically that it's the last moment of the process. I was suddenly pulled up by an external force, I was half sitting on the bed curiously waiting and watching what would happen next. It looked more like a spell-casting on me with both the visual and sound effect. Then I was released by the force and was dropped back on the bed. I felt that my heart beat went to a stop...

9. No time gap
the next moment I suddenly saw normal lighting and realized that I might have come back. So I jumped up and yelled "O Lord save me, O Lord save me". The same prayer I repeated over and over again during the death process.

This time the pulling force disappeared.

When I thought back, I found no time gap between the blackout and the waking-up.

It's was more than one year later that I started to realize that the last "spell-casting" may be a process putting me into a sleep.

10. Not yet fully back
Thou I was back to reality, I started to realize that I was not yet fully back. I could still hear those wicked souls. So something truly frightening occurred under the witness of the doctors and nurses...


I conclude here that death is a process that;
- you know and realize that you are going to die
- your soul starts to tilt off your body to perceive a new dimension (Hades) where time is slowing down
- you decide to let go your spirit
- with a loud voice you give up your spirit (it took control of you to make the loud voice)
- you will then be put to a sleep, you won't perceive time during the sleep
- next time when you see the light, you are resurrected

 

[L Gilbert]

Well, that's an opinion. Mine is such that when your brain stops receiving signals from the rest of your body and itself has ceased activity, you are dead ...... no music, no lights, no heaven, hell, pearly gates, or purgatory. Your molecules and energies begin dissipate and that's it. You become one with the universe. lol (Of course if you live in it you are one with it anyway).

 

[eanassir]

I conclude here that death is a process that;
- you know and realize that you are going to die

When man dies, it is not of his own will; all people do not want to die.​

Sometimes man feels and knows that he will soon die; he then starts to recommend his will or bequest.​

Other times, he is not aware; all of a sudden he dies, and this may be one of two conditions:
1- Either he had some serious diseases like Cardiovascular or Cerebrovascular accident, or some serious trauma like electric shock or car accident or other accidents like bullet or a heavy weight falls on his head …etc.
2- Or he had nothing of that, but merely he dies all of a sudden, and he either being of old age, or even a young one when his appointment of death is due.
And here you see him intact just one moment ago, and then all of a sudden he succumbs; in few instances he may return to life once again, and start his life again (sometimes he tells strange stories, and sometimes he forgets, or refuse to tell anything.)​

B – Following man's death, he will go to a new world, and will encounter some different circumstances. He will be alert to many conditions he was unaware to and unfamiliar with, and will see the material things in addition to the spiritual beings like human souls, genies and their souls and angels.
This is in the Quran 50: 22​

لَقَدْ كُنتَ فِي غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ هَذَا فَكَشَفْنَا عَنكَ غِطَاءكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ​

The explanation:
([It will be said] "You were heedless of this* . Now have We removed your veil** from you, and sharp is your sight this day.")​

It means: he will be sharp-sighted or keen-sighted, so that, in the life of the World, he could only see material things; while after his death, he will become able to see both material and ethereal objects; he will become able to see souls, genies, angels and other ethereal creatures; he will be able to hear them if they talk to him, and hear him if he speaks to them.​

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* [i.e. this day, this judgment and punishment.]

** [i.e. the body which was a covering of the soul, and it has been removed by death.]

- you decide to let go your spirit

You cannot decide the hour of your death; this is in the Quran 3: 145​

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَنْ تَمُوتَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ الله كِتَابًا مُّؤَجَّلاً​

The explanation:
(It is not for any soul to die, save by God's leave, and at a term appointed.)​

And the hour of man's death is unknown but only God knows it.

This is in the Quran 31: 34​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(Surely, God: with Him is the knowledge of the hour [of man's death];
and He sends down the rain;
and He knows what is in wombs;
and no soul knows what it is that it shall earn to-morrow;
and no soul knows in what land it shall die;
surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.)​

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[L Gilbert]

When man dies, it is not of his own will; all people do not want to die.​

Ever heard of suicide?​

Sometimes man feels and knows that he will soon die; he then starts to recommend his will or bequest.

Other times, he is not aware; all of a sudden he dies, and this may be one of two conditions:

1- Either he had some serious diseases like Cardiovascular or Cerebrovascular accident, or some serious trauma like electric shock or car accident or other accidents like bullet or a heavy weight falls on his head …etc.
2- Or he had nothing of that, but merely he dies all of a sudden, and he either being of old age, or even a young one when his appointment of death is due.
And here you see him intact just one moment ago, and then all of a sudden he succumbs; in few instances he may return to life once again, and start his life again (sometimes he tells strange stories, and sometimes he forgets, or refuse to tell anything.)​

Yup. There's a myriad of possible deaths.

B – Following man's death, he will go to a new world, and will encounter some different circumstances. He will be alert to many conditions he was unaware to and unfamiliar with, and will see the material things in addition to the spiritual beings like human souls, genies and their souls and angels.

This is only alleged. There's still no supporting evidence other than hearsay.

This is in the Quran 50: 22

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لَقَدْ كُنتَ فِي غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ هَذَا فَكَشَفْنَا عَنكَ غِطَاءكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ

The explanation:
([It will be said] "You were heedless of this* . Now have We removed your veil** from you, and sharp is your sight this day.")​

It means: he will be sharp-sighted or keen-sighted, so that, in the life of the World, he could only see material things; while after his death, he will become able to see both material and ethereal objects; he will become able to see souls, genies, angels and other ethereal creatures; he will be able to hear them if they talk to him, and hear him if he speaks to them.​

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* [i.e. this day, this judgment and punishment.]

** [i.e. the body which was a covering of the soul, and it has been removed by death.]

You cannot decide the hour of your death; this is in the Quran 3: 145​

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَنْ تَمُوتَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ الله كِتَابًا مُّؤَجَّلاً​

The explanation:
(It is not for any soul to die, save by God's leave, and at a term appointed.)​

And the hour of man's death is unknown but only God knows it.​

This is in the Quran 31: 34​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(Surely, God: with Him is the knowledge of the hour [of man's death];
and He sends down the rain;
and He knows what is in wombs;
and no soul knows what it is that it shall earn to-morrow;
and no soul knows in what land it shall die;
surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.)​

eanassir​

http://man-after-death.site.io​

Whatever. I see no validity in this book of fantasy nor in the interpretations of the book.
​

 

[eanassir]

Whatever. I see no validity in this book of fantasy nor in the interpretations of the book.​

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; it is a valuable book revealed from God Most Gracious to save man from the darkness of ignorance, idolatry and the association with God to the light of monotheism, justice and working every good work and seeking every virtue.​

This Quran taught man to recognize God and to glorify Him, rather than glorifying a stone that neither profits nor harms anyone.​

It forbids the transgression on people and the plundering of their property and the violation of their rights.​

The Quran invites all people to be peaceable with each other and to serve God alone to Whom they are His servants, but not servants to any king or idol or angels or prophets. ​

They should respect each other, and honor the woman and not to transgress on her rights, as should they not transgress on each other. ​

And no distinction between them: all of them are created by God, and among them, the most honored before God is the most godfearing.​

This is in the Quran 49: 13​

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(O mankind, We have created you male and female, and made you nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.)​

It means: All of you are equal in lineage: your father is Adam and your mother is Eve, so none of you may boast to others according to lineage. And he made you nations which are subdivided into tribes …etc; in order to know each other. But the most honored among you before God is the one who avoids the disobedience of God and wards off the sins; but not the rich or the black or white. ​

 

[eanassir]

This is only alleged. There's still no supporting evidence other than hearsay.

All of us love science because it is useful and essential for man, and we desire that the science advances for the advantage of mankind.​

Concerning the religion; it is divided into two kinds:​

• The religion of the association with God (and atheism): that most people are now following.
• The religion of pure monotheism: this is the original religion of God; this is the First Commandment about which Jesus said it is the most important of all the commandments that God wrote for Moses; this Commandments that God is One without associate or equal, is the central axis of all the heavenly religions and of all the apostles teachings.

This religion of monotheism, to which all these heavenly religions: Jews, Christians and Muslims claim they are holding.
In fact, practically all of these religious sects work contrary to this First Commandment: that God is One without associate or equal or patron.​

The First Commandment ( http://universeandquran.site.io/#First_Commandment ) implies that man should:
>> Ask his needs from God alone, and prays to God only; if he supplicates his needs from Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Ali or anyone of the saints – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Trust in God alone; if he trusts in any of the prophets, imams or saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Seek the help of God alone, when standing up, sitting down and lying down for sleep and in all his affairs; if he seek the help of such prophets and saints – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Expends alms and do all the righteous work for God's sake only; if he expends such alms for those other than God Almighty – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Similarly he should swear by God's name alone, as should he vow to Him alone, and mention God's name with glorification always day and night; but if he mentions the names of others like Jesus, Ali and all others – then he associate these with God.​

In practice, most people including Muslims; most of them work contrary to this First Commandment, and are infact associaters: they associate their prophets, Jesus, saints, imams with God. ​

An example of the association with God that all these three major religious sects: Jews, Christians and Muslims are practicing, is the Patron Saints (there are also patron imams and sheikhs and others) whom they sanctify and think he protects, heals and provide for them …etc, which is the function of God Almighty.
Patron Saints Index
(and there are similar Patron imams and sheikhs and others)​

 

[L Gilbert]

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; it is a valuable book revealed from God Most Gracious to save man from the darkness of ignorance, idolatry and the association with God to the light of monotheism, justice and working every good work and seeking every virtue.​

Uhuh. And no-one has shown me that this god isn't fantasy yet. Basically what I hear you saying is that the Koran is a book of fact about a being of fantasy. :roll:​

This Quran taught man to recognize God and to glorify Him, rather than glorifying a stone that neither profits nor harms anyone.

I don't glorify either. But I can sense stones.​

It forbids the transgression on people and the plundering of their property and the violation of their rights.

No-one has to forbid me to do those things. I have a brain and I think. Therefore I think that doing those things isn't what I want to do.​

The Quran invites all people to be peaceable with each other and to serve God alone to Whom they are His servants, but not servants to any king or idol or angels or prophets.

I don't serve anyone anything unless I cooked it.​

They should respect each other, and honor the woman and not to transgress on her rights, as should they not transgress on each other.

I do, but I don't need a book to tell me that.​

And no distinction between them: all of them are created by God, and among them, the most honored before God is the most godfearing.

I don't fear fantasies.​

This is in the Quran 49: 13

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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ​

Big deal. :roll:

The explanation:

(O mankind, We have created you male and female, and made you nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.)

It means: All of you are equal in lineage: your father is Adam and your mother is Eve, so none of you may boast to others according to lineage. And he made you nations which are subdivided into tribes …etc; in order to know each other. But the most honored among you before God is the one who avoids the disobedience of God and wards off the sins; but not the rich or the black or white. ​

I consider myself quite honorable, too. Still don't need a book to tell me that I am honorable.

 

[L Gilbert]

All of us love science because it is useful and essential for man, and we desire that the science advances for the advantage of mankind.​

Concerning the religion; it is divided into two kinds:​

• The religion of the association with God (and atheism): that most people are now following.
• The religion of pure monotheism: this is the original religion of God; this is the First Commandment about which Jesus said it is the most important of all the commandments that God wrote for Moses; this Commandments that God is One without associate or equal, is the central axis of all the heavenly religions and of all the apostles teachings.

​

"Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." - Don Hirschberg

This religion of monotheism, to which all these heavenly religions: Jews, Christians and Muslims claim they are holding.

In fact, practically all of these religious sects work contrary to this First Commandment: that God is One without associate or equal or patron.

The First Commandment ( http://universeandquran.site.io/#First_Commandment ) implies that man should:
>> Ask his needs from God alone, and prays to God only; if he supplicates his needs from Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Ali or anyone of the saints – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Trust in God alone; if he trusts in any of the prophets, imams or saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Seek the help of God alone, when standing up, sitting down and lying down for sleep and in all his affairs; if he seek the help of such prophets and saints – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Expends alms and do all the righteous work for God's sake only; if he expends such alms for those other than God Almighty – then he will associate these with God.​

>> Similarly he should swear by God's name alone, as should he vow to Him alone, and mention God's name with glorification always day and night; but if he mentions the names of others like Jesus, Ali and all others – then he associate these with God.​

In practice, most people including Muslims; most of them work contrary to this First Commandment, and are infact associaters: they associate their prophets, Jesus, saints, imams with God. ​

An example of the association with God that all these three major religious sects: Jews, Christians and Muslims are practicing, is the Patron Saints (there are also patron imams and sheikhs and others) whom they sanctify and think he protects, heals and provide for them …etc, which is the function of God Almighty.
Patron Saints Index

(and there are similar Patron imams and sheikhs and others)​

So? You don't even glorify imams, saints, etc. You glorify a book. Isn't that in violation of the second commandment?

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Everything is back to normal.

 

[MissAnnika]

seasons don't fear the reaper
nor do the wind, or the sun, or the rain
we could be like they are
come on baby
don't fear the reaper

 

[katnut]

I learn kabbalah for 5 years now.
Before I studied many different traditions and practices.
And there are many different kabbalah schools around the world.
Personally I found answers to my questions from Rav Michael Laitman.

Here is his answer to a question about life after death and its meaning:
Why Do We Have to Keep Coming Back Here?

There are also interesting links in Related Materials at the bottom of the page

 

[Unforgiven]

I learn kabbalah for 5 years now.
Before I studied many different traditions and practices.
And there are many different kabbalah schools around the world.
Personally I found answers to my questions from Rav Michael Laitman.

Here is his answer to a question about life after death and its meaning:
Why Do We Have to Keep Coming Back Here?

There are also interesting links in Related Materials at the bottom of the page

Interesting, so killing someone isn't really a criminal matter but rather something that should be negotiated with the person's soul for damages in civil court.

Not sure how that defence will fly but I would love to see it tried.