Is there proof of life after death

[AnnaG]

The issue isn't that existence continues. The issue of life after death is a question of continuity of consciousness. Physics says there can be no loss of energy(up to vacuum energy). Ergo, whatever I am physically will always exist in one form or another. The continuity of consciousness is always a fundamental aspect, even in reincarnation: if I will never remember my previous lives, than karma means nothing to me. The person I am affecting is not myself.

However, biology states that my memories and so the sense of self are imprints in a brain and it provides directions for which even a remedial intellect can terminate their existence: stop blood from flowing to the brain. There is proof that the memories are contained in the brain tissue and that a person can continue living once parts of the brain containing these memories are removed: the memories are not imprinted on what makes a person that person.

Quite. If the electrochemical activity stops, that is it, there is no energy left to continue the memory process. It has dissipated and moved on to other things, I think.

As for the big bang. No. Nothing existed before that point in classical GR. Even in quantum cosmology you can create energy from (basically)nothing. In fact, dark energy does just that and is a purely classical effect. There are hypotheses which assert that there was something before, but they are currently untestable and unnecessary, although quite interesting.

Nothing is nothing, no thing at all, it is the antithesis of anything or something. Even dark energy is something, I think.

 

[Niflmir]

Quite. If the electrochemical activity stops, that is it, there is no energy left to continue the memory process. It has dissipated and moved on to other things, I think.

Nothing is nothing, no thing at all, it is the antithesis of anything or something. Even dark energy is something, I think.

Dark energy is (as far as we know) the energy of the vacuum, the energy of empty space. As the volume of space increases, so too does the energy associated with it. In this way, energy is continually being created in our universe.

This is the leading explanation for the accelerated expansion of the universe: a cosmological constant. It is slightly odd--well maybe that is an understatement.

 

[AnnaG]

Dark energy is (as far as we know) the energy of the vacuum, the energy of empty space. As the volume of space increases, so too does the energy associated with it. In this way, energy is continually being created in our universe.

This is the leading explanation for the accelerated expansion of the universe: a cosmological constant. It is slightly odd--well maybe that is an understatement.

That's the hypothesis. Anyway, it is still something even if it exists.

In a nutshell, I don't believe in "magic".

 

[Niflmir]

That's the hypothesis. Anyway, it is still something even if it exists.

In a nutshell, I don't believe in "magic".

Neither do I. But quantum mechanics and dark energy aren't. They just appear to be.

Everything is magical the first time you experience it, after all.

 

[AnnaG]

Neither do I. But quantum mechanics and dark energy aren't. They just appear to be.

Exactly, the universe just is. It is not nothing. lol

Everything is magical the first time you experience it, after all.

That depends upon your viewpoint. I think an awful lot of what I see is wonderful. Cool even. Magical perhaps, but not magic as in "poof" there it is. I do like watching humans do "magic" though. Daniel Chesterfield is cool. So is Chris Angel.

Um, David Chesterfield:

 

[L Gilbert]

LGilbertWell you see LG ,I am too busy living and to curios about life to have time or even minute interest in worrying what death is ; I don't know , do you ? Have you bin there
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Good for you, China. I'm glad you are busy living.
So who worries about death? Been where? You'll have to refresh my memory about the context of what you quoted.

 

[JLM]

BBC News | HEALTH | Evidence of 'life after death'

Monday, 23 October, 2000, 09:24 GMT 10:24 UK
Evidence of 'life after death'

Seriously-ill patients reported "near-death" experiences


Scientists investigating 'near-death' experiences say they have found evidence to suggest that consciousness can continue to exist after the brain has ceased to function.
However, the claim has been challenged by neurological experts.
The researchers interviewed 63 patients who had survived heart attacks within a week of the experience.

Memories are extremely fallible

Dr Chris Freeman, Royal Edinburgh Hospital

Of these 56 had no recollection of the period of unconsciousness they experienced whilst, effectively, clinically dead.
However, seven had memories, four of which counted as near-death experiences.
They told of feelings of peace and joy, time speeded up, heightened senses, lost awareness of body, seeing a bright light, entering another world, encountering a mystical being and coming to "a point of no return".
Oxygen levels
None of the patients were found to be receiving low oxygen levels - which some scientists believe may be responsible for so-called "near-death" experiences.
Lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia, of Southampton General Hospital, said nobody fully understands how brain cells generate thoughts.
He said it might be that the mind or consciousness is independent of the brain.
He said: "When we examine brain cells we see that brain cells are like any other cells, they can produce proteins and chemicals, but they are not really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that we have.
"The brain is definitely needed to manifest the mind, a bit like how a television set can take what essentially are waves in the air and translate them into picture and sound."
Scepticism
Dr Chris Freeman, consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist at Royal Edinburgh Hospital, said there was no proof that the experiences reported by the patients actually occurred when the brain was shut down.
"We know that memories are extremely fallible. We are quite good at knowing that something happened, but we are very poor at knowing when it happened.
"It is quite possible that these experiences happened during the recovery, or just before the cardiac arrest. To say that they happened when the brain was shut down, I think there is little evidence for that at all."

Absolutely, many cases right in our own "backyard". For instance the little girl in Edmonton years ago that wandered out of the house at 40 below a few years ago and was found stiffer than a board (her blood temp was about 40F) but miraculously they saved her, apparently none the worse for wear. That more or less proves there really is a God.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... the little girl in Edmonton years ago that wandered out of the house at 40 below a few years ago and was found stiffer than a board (her blood temp was about 40F) but miraculously they saved her, apparently none the worse for wear. That more or less proves there really is a God.

It was -20°C , not -40°, and her temperature was 16°C, about 61°F. Still pretty remarkable to survive such conditions, but by what conceivable stretch of logic does this prove there really is a god? Consider the number of people he doesn't bother to save, why doesn't that prove there isn't a god? Credit the medical team, the "they" you refer to in the previous sentence, for saving her, not god.

Nearly Frozen Baby To Survive

 

[AnnaG]

Absolutely, many cases right in our own "backyard". For instance the little girl in Edmonton years ago that wandered out of the house at 40 below a few years ago and was found stiffer than a board (her blood temp was about 40F) but miraculously they saved her, apparently none the worse for wear. That more or less proves there really is a God.

roflmao. Actually it proves that the metabolism of some people can be slowed down to a crawl, yet still survive. It's impossible to prove there are gods, leprachauns, and the tooth faerie..