Is the use of the crane, wrecking ball, bulldozer and dymamite always sensible?
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I think that number is quite conservative.
Probably but I wasn't thinking of "inexperienced yahoos"- most people can be trained and follow directions and of course I wasn't thinking of just sending a bunch of yahoos out to an old building with wrecking bar and nail puller without qualified supervision. I can do just as well as you Gerry in thinking up ways that will fail.
jerry you and I agree on this one. The idea is not to have people working it is punishing them
for being on welfare. The best way to get people off welfare is to make sure they get an
education. If we ensured there was training and educational opportunities within the financial
reach of people it would help. If we made it a requirement that all people who enter the prison
system, had to pass at least grade twelve, we would be taking the first right step.
There are also people out there that could be turned around with the right counselling and in
addition to that, we could put some on welfare and leave them there.
The reason I say that is, there are some people who would be nothing more than a financial
burden on educational resources by even attempting to retrain them it would be cheaper to
just pay them and leave it at that.
The trouble is we use one approach to attempt to solve problems resulting from multiple causes.
Like the prison system, we should determine who is capable of adjusting to society and just
warehousing the rest for a lifetime. Some should get a second chance and others should not
same applies to welfare. Either we put up with some on the dole forever while we retrain the
rest or determine that some should just no longer get a cheque. If you adopt that policy though
watch the crime rate soar.
One answer is not going to work and forcing people to do jobs they are not trained to do is a
policy loaded with unforeseen problems and costs associated with it. If we want people to do these
jobs train them to do them, ensure the safety and value is there. If you do that, you will soon find
you would need people who have knowledge and skills and traditionally that is not the domain of
those on welfare.
for being on welfare. The best way to get people off welfare is to make sure they get an
education. If we ensured there was training and educational opportunities within the financial
reach of people it would help. If we made it a requirement that all people who enter the prison
system, had to pass at least grade twelve, we would be taking the first right step.
There are also people out there that could be turned around with the right counselling and in
addition to that, we could put some on welfare and leave them there.
The reason I say that is, there are some people who would be nothing more than a financial
burden on educational resources by even attempting to retrain them it would be cheaper to
just pay them and leave it at that.
The trouble is we use one approach to attempt to solve problems resulting from multiple causes.
Like the prison system, we should determine who is capable of adjusting to society and just
warehousing the rest for a lifetime. Some should get a second chance and others should not
same applies to welfare. Either we put up with some on the dole forever while we retrain the
rest or determine that some should just no longer get a cheque. If you adopt that policy though
watch the crime rate soar.
One answer is not going to work and forcing people to do jobs they are not trained to do is a
policy loaded with unforeseen problems and costs associated with it. If we want people to do these
jobs train them to do them, ensure the safety and value is there. If you do that, you will soon find
you would need people who have knowledge and skills and traditionally that is not the domain of
those on welfare.
I hear Montreal had a problem with people stealing manhole covers a year or so ago. You can't just walk into a scrap yard with a bunch of manhole covers so it must have been pretty organized. That means there must be a fair bit of cash to be made.
You can if they've been processed through a kiln first.
I guess I have to shoulder the blame for the misunderstanding here, as I didn't specify in the O.P. that the jobs would be for willing capable workers who were already trained or would go through a training program.
OP is good for a laugh but little else-there are a myriad of regulations municipal, provincial and federal to be followed and let's not even think about *asb*st*s.
JLM if t were a case of trained workers looking for work and they were trained to do that
work I could see a salvage operation of such a sort. In that case recycling would apply
and perhaps there would be a benefit as opposed to destruction without any end result
value. I first saw this as OK we have welfare people so we will simply give them work
like it or not. Perhaps we all jumped to a few conclusions first.
I wouldn't want to see a forced situation or untrained people on such a site. Trained,
people with a purpose different situation.
work I could see a salvage operation of such a sort. In that case recycling would apply
and perhaps there would be a benefit as opposed to destruction without any end result
value. I first saw this as OK we have welfare people so we will simply give them work
like it or not. Perhaps we all jumped to a few conclusions first.
I wouldn't want to see a forced situation or untrained people on such a site. Trained,
people with a purpose different situation.
