Is the Illuminati Real

[einmensch]

The World's Richest People

1. Gates, William H. III
2. Buffett, Warren Edward
3. Allen, Paul Gardner
4. Ellison, Lawrence Joseph
5. Albrecht, Theo & Karl

1. Alsaud, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal
2. Walton, Jim C.
3. Walton, John T.
4. Walton, S. Robson
5. Walton, Alice L.

Rothchild doesn't even show up-- so the really rich that control are not listed--DUH! Only the chicken poop richest are---those that are woth more than all ten listed are not

 

[Colpy]

The World's Richest People

1. Gates, William H. III
2. Buffett, Warren Edward
3. Allen, Paul Gardner
4. Ellison, Lawrence Joseph
5. Albrecht, Theo & Karl

1. Alsaud, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal
2. Walton, Jim C.
3. Walton, John T.
4. Walton, S. Robson
5. Walton, Alice L.

Rothchild doesn't even show up-- so the really rich that control are not listed--DUH! Only the chicken poop richest are---those that are woth more than all ten listed are not

Bill Gates is worth 58.7 Billion dollars, according to your source.

The entire holdings of the Rothscilds totals 1.5 Billion dollars.

The Dynasties - Forbes.com

The financial omnipotence of the Rothschilds exists only in your mind.

 

[VanIsle]

Briefly, the background of the Bavarian Illuminati puzzle is this. On May 1, 1776, in Bavaria, Dr. Adam Weishaupt, a professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University and a former Jesuit, formed a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati within the existing Masonic lodges of Germany. Since Masonry is itself a secret society, the Illuminati was a secret society within a secret society, a mystery inside a mystery, so to say. In 1785 the Illuminati were suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all the kings in Europe and the Pope to boot. This much is generally agreed upon by all historians. 1 Everything else is a matter of heated, and sometimes fetid, controversy.
It has been claimed that Dr. Weishaupt was an atheist, a Cabalistic magician, a rationalist, a mystic; a democrat, a socialist, an anarchist, a fascist; a Machiavellian amoralist, an alchemist, a totalitarian and an "enthusiastic philanthropist." (The last was the verdict of Thomas Jefferson, by the way.) The Illuminati have also been credited with managing the French and American revolutions behind the scenes, taking over the world, being the brains behind Communism, continuing underground up to the 1970s, secretly worshipping the Devil, and mopery with intent to gawk. Some claim that Weishaupt didn't even invent the Illuminati, but only revived it. The Order of Illuminati has been traced back to the Knights Templar, to the Greek and Gnostic initiatory cults, to Egypt, even to Atlantis. The one safe generalization one can make is that Weishaupt's intent to maintain secrecy has worked; no two students of Illuminology have ever agreed totally about what the "inner secret" or purpose of the Order actually was (or is . . .). There is endless room for spooky speculation, and for pedantic paranoia, once one really gets into the literature of the subject; and there has been a wave of sensational "ex-poses" of the Illuminati every generation since 1776. If you were to believe all this sensational literature, the damned Bavarian conspirators were responsible for everything wrong with the world, including the energy crises and the fact that you can't even get a plumber on weekends
Illuminati Conspiracy Part One: A Precise Exegesis on the Available Evidence

I assume these questions and answers stem from The DaVinci code. We went to see Angels and Demons last night. It's a better show than The DaVinci Code. I didn't like Tom Hanks in the role in the first show (which should have been the 2nd show) but he fit his role well this time around. It's worth the watch.

 

[Francis2004]

Bill Gates is worth 58.7 Billion dollars, according to your source.

The entire holdings of the Rothscilds totals 1.5 Billion dollars.

The Dynasties - Forbes.com

The financial omnipotence of the Rothschilds exists only in your mind.

From ONE of the Rothschilds Websites.. With more then €100 BILLION Euro's I think that is a TAD above the $1.5 billion you mention.. One can only wonder how many more web sites have that kind of Billions posted on them..

Founded by Baron Edmond de Rothschild in 1953, the LCF Rothschild Group is a leading player in the private banking, asset management and advisory services business, with more than €100 billion in assets under management.
Baron Benjamin de Rothschild succeeded his father, Edmond de Rothschild, as Chairman of the Group in 1997. Thanks to its family character the group occupies a unique position in the financial world, allowing it to advise its clients in total independence.

LCF Rothschild Group

 

[Said1]

The Illuminatie is real and is also responsible for all missing socks and silverware.

 

[Colpy]

From ONE of the Rothschilds Websites.. With more then €100 BILLION Euro's I think that is a TAD above the $1.5 billion you mention.. One can only wonder how many more web sites have that kind of Billions posted on them..


LCF Rothschild Group

You don't understand the phrase UNDER MANAGEMENT, do you?

the Rothschilds neither own nor control 100 Billion bucks........they simply advise on its management.:roll:

 

[einmensch]

The Illuminatie is real and is also responsible for all missing socks and silverware.

and your brain

 

[einmensch]

You don't understand the phrase UNDER MANAGEMENT, do you?

the Rothschilds neither own nor control 100 Billion bucks........they simply advise on its management.:roll:

I'm glad that you understant all so clearly.
Would there be an Israel without the Rothschild's-??


The federal reserve and the IMF are private Rothschild companies??

According to the boast of Nathan Rothschild he increased the family fortune from $3,000,000 to about $7,500,000,000 within five years time, which would be in about 1820. In 1848 the Paris house was reckoned at 600,000,000 francs as against 362,000,000 for all of the other Paris bankers. We have no historical information as to the wealth of the Berlin, Vienna and Naples branches. We do, however, know that they were strong enough to dominate the money markets of those capitals.
At the rate of speed that Nathan traveled, viz., an increase of 500% a year, the fortune of the London branch alone would have been more than $100,000,000,000 by 1840. It is not likely, however, that he continued to multiply the family fortune 500% a year, but it is probable that he continued to increase it at the rate of 10% or more, annually. At this rate it would have amounted to approximately $20,000,000,000 by 1840, just 100 years ago.

"REFUGEE ROTHSCHILD ARRIVES WITH MILLION IN GEMS"
"Seventy-year-old Baron Edward Rothschild, internationally famous banker of Paris, is pictured as he arrived at La Guardia field, New York, Wednesday, from Europe aboard the Yankee clipper. The fabulously rich financier is holding a small handbag containing $1,000,000 in jewelry. The baron and his family left Paris on May 20 for Switzerland, made their way to Bordeaux and Spain and then motored to Lisbon to get the clipper. They will go to some suburban retreat in this country for a rest, it was said."


Accounting for the Rothschild Wealth and Influence
Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today’s dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)
​

To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:

• A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world (see John Kutyn’s estimate http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/kutyn111597.html).
• U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
• U.S. debt is currently $5.4 trillion.
• U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
• George Soros’ empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.

We shall never have a full accounting of their wealth. All we can go on is Morton’s (1962) comment that their wealth is "ineffable as always." Even our conservative estimates suggest a family with staggering wealth and thus influence. In a world awash in debt and unsustainable fiat currencies subject to implosion, the power of gold and the preference of the Rothschilds to gold cannot be easily ignored.


The Rothschilds and the LBMA: The World’s Central Bank?
Consider the Rothschild’s profound position of influence in the LBMA and the transaction fees they are earning on each and every transaction of treasuries and 42 million ounces of gold transactions DAILY (recently reported volumes of physical, leased, forward sales). . The Rothschild business earns income from "transactions" (including transfers, calls, puts, trades, leases) and one can only begin to imagine the transaction costs associated with last reported trading of over 42 million ounces of gold per day through the LBMA (more than twice South Africa’s annual gold production).

Also consider their involvement and influence over monetary policies exercised by the Bank of England and the Bank of France (and possibly the US Federal Reserve System) and in Geneva. Consider the world’s above ground gold reserves is roughly 120,000 tons -- with roughly 40,000 tons or 33% held by central banks. How is the remaining "private" gold holdings distributed? Does anyone have such an account?

The Rothschilds, LBMA, and Gold

 

[Said1]

and your brain

Nothing gets by you. Obviously your brain works SO much better than mine.

 

[Said1]

I'm glad that you understant all so clearly.
Would there be an Israel without the Rothschild's-??


The federal reserve and the IMF are private Rothschild companies??

According to the boast of Nathan Rothschild he increased the family fortune from $3,000,000 to about $7,500,000,000 within five years time, which would be in about 1820. In 1848 the Paris house was reckoned at 600,000,000 francs as against 362,000,000 for all of the other Paris bankers. We have no historical information as to the wealth of the Berlin, Vienna and Naples branches. We do, however, know that they were strong enough to dominate the money markets of those capitals.
At the rate of speed that Nathan traveled, viz., an increase of 500% a year, the fortune of the London branch alone would have been more than $100,000,000,000 by 1840. It is not likely, however, that he continued to multiply the family fortune 500% a year, but it is probable that he continued to increase it at the rate of 10% or more, annually. At this rate it would have amounted to approximately $20,000,000,000 by 1840, just 100 years ago.

"REFUGEE ROTHSCHILD ARRIVES WITH MILLION IN GEMS"
"Seventy-year-old Baron Edward Rothschild, internationally famous banker of Paris, is pictured as he arrived at La Guardia field, New York, Wednesday, from Europe aboard the Yankee clipper. The fabulously rich financier is holding a small handbag containing $1,000,000 in jewelry. The baron and his family left Paris on May 20 for Switzerland, made their way to Bordeaux and Spain and then motored to Lisbon to get the clipper. They will go to some suburban retreat in this country for a rest, it was said."


Accounting for the Rothschild Wealth and Influence
Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today’s dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)
​

To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:

• A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world (see John Kutyn’s estimate http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/kutyn111597.html).
• U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
• U.S. debt is currently $5.4 trillion.
• U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
• George Soros’ empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.

We shall never have a full accounting of their wealth. All we can go on is Morton’s (1962) comment that their wealth is "ineffable as always." Even our conservative estimates suggest a family with staggering wealth and thus influence. In a world awash in debt and unsustainable fiat currencies subject to implosion, the power of gold and the preference of the Rothschilds to gold cannot be easily ignored.


The Rothschilds and the LBMA: The World’s Central Bank?
Consider the Rothschild’s profound position of influence in the LBMA and the transaction fees they are earning on each and every transaction of treasuries and 42 million ounces of gold transactions DAILY (recently reported volumes of physical, leased, forward sales). . The Rothschild business earns income from "transactions" (including transfers, calls, puts, trades, leases) and one can only begin to imagine the transaction costs associated with last reported trading of over 42 million ounces of gold per day through the LBMA (more than twice South Africa’s annual gold production).

Also consider their involvement and influence over monetary policies exercised by the Bank of England and the Bank of France (and possibly the US Federal Reserve System) and in Geneva. Consider the world’s above ground gold reserves is roughly 120,000 tons -- with roughly 40,000 tons or 33% held by central banks. How is the remaining "private" gold holdings distributed? Does anyone have such an account?

The Rothschilds, LBMA, and Gold

This proves the existence of the "Illuminati"? :lol:

 

[Colpy]

This stuff is laughable.........Einmebsch, you really have to stop reading the Nazi sites.

Had the Rothschilds been as rich as you say, and wanted Israel, they'd simply have BOUGHT the land and evicted the Arabs.....much cheaper, really.

Did it ever occur to you that mismanagement, the depression, World War II and the Holocaust of European Jews somehow, just maybe, damaged the Rothschild empire? I hesitate to mention the Holocaust, as that will simply reassure you and your jackbooted buddies it was all worth it......

 

[Francis2004]

You don't understand the phrase UNDER MANAGEMENT, do you?

the Rothschilds neither own nor control 100 Billion bucks........they simply advise on its management.:roll:

Quite wrong Colpy.. I do understand Under Management..

As such one does not have liquid cash but one does have control on much of the money..

Assets under management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Colpy]

Quite wrong Colpy.. I do understand Under Management..

As such one does not have liquid cash but one does have control on much of the money..

Assets under management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then please explain to me, and to all the Nazi morons, without reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Jewish conspiracy, why Forbes magazine lists their assets at between one and one and one half billion dollars?????????

I confess that economics is NOT my strong point....

 

[einmensch]

Your strong point ? Colpy you have nothing to say other than Nazi, Holocaust, moron idiotic etc---

Baron Edward Rothschild, the refugee arrives with $1,000,000 in jewelry in 1940 when gold was less than $40 per ounce which in today's $$$ would equal about 1,000,000/40 x 1000=$25,ooo,ooo in his little bag alone-
without interest for a periopd of 69 years

Who owns the Fed?

Now you can call>>>>>>>
** Source: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence. Staff Report,Committee on Banking,Currency and Housing, House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, August 1976. <<<Nazis
Said1--proves> no>> but a group certainly controls the money and Governments and media--but all of you are able to read--
Conspiracy theories
In Fritz Springmeier's book Bloodlines of the Illuminati, he argues that the Rothschild family is one of 13 dynastic bloodlines linked to the Illuminati. New World Order conspiracy theories present the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Phipps', DuPonts, Vanderbilts, Bush family, etc. as the real rulers or would-be rulers of the world.[10][citation needed]
The acclaimed poet and Fascist Mussolini sympathizer Ezra Pound; in his World War II radio propaganda broadcasts from Fascist Italy, openly named the Rothschilds as the masters of a clique of banking houses that caused the World Wars in order to profit from them and get countries in debt to the lending central banks, which Pound claimed the Rothschild interests owned and exercised control of a nation's policy by having the power to issue the nation's money. Earlier, in 1935, Pound had speculated that "organized anti-Semitism might be the hidden war of Swiss Protestant dynasties against the Rothschilds, whom they had never forgiven for breaking into their banking monopoly."[11]

Vietnam, Iraq ,Afghanistan and moving manufacturing to China etc-have done not helped the USA--GM, Chrysler --will now move manufacture in Mexico, China?? no unions, pollution, safety standards and wages $200 a month.
Harper, Obama, Mekel and?? all told what to do by the same

 

[Francis2004]

Then please explain to me, and to all the Nazi morons, without reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Jewish conspiracy, why Forbes magazine lists their assets at between one and one and one half billion dollars?????????

I confess that economics is NOT my strong point....

Please, nowhere in this post have I refered to any conspiracy or any other reference, so don't insult me in that way. I am purely talking money here and that is it..

Why does Forbes show only $1.5 billion is simple as the link you gave was 2002 and mine is 2008. You think that maybe a lot happened in 7 years ?

Did you also read the web site or just assume you were right ?

Behind the legendary name lies substance - a commitment to our clients that is as strong today as in the past that forged our tradition.

Our motto - Unity, Integrity, Industry - has governed our activities for seven generations from currency dealer to banker, covering the entire range of financial services. A reputation that has made our name synonymous with banking has been built, over the centuries, on the substance of service. Every Rothschild bank has kept faith with that ideal, through political turmoil, market upheavals or the revolution in financial instruments.

An unchanging purpose directs our business. It is to place the interest of our clients above all other considerations, to devote ourselves to each one individually in the fulfilment of their requirements. By honouring the trust our clients place in us, we have established a position in international finance that belies the relatively low profile of our banking establishments.

The Rothschilds have assumed a personal responsibility for their banks in direct succession from one generation to the next. No bank or financial institution may carry the Rothschild name unless it is under the effective control of a Rothschild. The banks presented here are under my chairmanship. I trust the contents of this Website will be informative and that we may look forward to the honour of serving you.

Baron Benjamin de Rothschild.

Concordia, Integritas, Industria - The Rothschilds - LCF Rothschild Group

 

[Colpy]

Please, nowhere in this post have I refered to any conspiracy or any other reference, so don't insult me in that way. I am purely talking money here and that is it..

The references were not aimed at you, but at some of the rest of the readership.

The Rothschilds have assumed a personal responsibility for their banks in direct succession from one generation to the next. No bank or financial institution may carry the Rothschild name unless it is under the effective control of a Rothschild. The banks presented here are under my chairmanship.

If one is chairman of a bank, that does not make the assets of that bank their property, so those assets can not be included as personal wealth.......the Rothschilds do not have $100 Billion of assets as personal property, they have just 1% of that.......

Their influence is overblown.....

Whereas Bill Gates has access to over $50 Billion in personal property........there lies the rub

 

[Francis2004]

The references were not aimed at you, but at some of the rest of the readership.



If one is chairman of a bank, that does not make the assets of that bank their property, so those assets can not be included as personal wealth.......the Rothschilds do not have $100 Billion of assets as personal property, they have just 1% of that.......

Their influence is overblown.....

Whereas Bill Gates has access to over $50 Billion in personal property........there lies the rub

No the rub was directed at me or else you would have not made it in a post to me..

Second the Chairman of a Bank does not have this become all his property as it appears.. Its easy to hide money within the system and spread it out within the company or in this case the banking system as to not pay taxes. It does not mean the money is not there.

When you deposit your money at the bank, do you really think it stays there ?

Ever hear of Baron Henri Hottinguer?

Funny he does not make head lines as much as others.. But read the following and links..

Hottinger & Cie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For more than two hundred years, the Hottinger name has been known among European private bankers. Today, Hottinger is a family-owned group with a broad international presence, combining contemporary financial management techniques with traditional portfolio management values.



Resolutely avant-garde in outlook, loyal to its ethical principles and committed to its independence, the Hottinger group deploys its extensive skills to satisfy your needs: to preserve and develop your net assets and safeguard the future for you and yours.

About - Hottinger & Cie Banquiers Privés

 

[CDNBear]

The financial omnipotence of the Rothschilds exists only in your mind.

I couldn't give you anymore rep, but that was funny, and oh so true.

No the rub was directed at me or else you would have not made it in a post to me..

Francis, stop being so sensitive, he wasn't directing at you, he was taking the opportunity to throw one across the collective bows of the mainstream Holocaust deniers and Nazi wannabe's that haunt our hallowed boards. A low class group, not even I think you belong to.

Second the Chairman of a Bank does not have this become all his property as it appears.. Its easy to hide money within the system and spread it out within the company or in this case the banking system as to not pay taxes. It does not mean the money is not there.

It does however mean the money is not theirs...;-)

When you deposit your money at the bank, do you really think it stays there ?

No body does, but that money, that is owers, does not become the banks property, they become its stewards.

Ever hear of Baron Henri Hottinguer?

Though I'm in the same boat as Colpy when it comes to finances, hence my dependence on a fine Jewish Accountant, I can read and have an excellent grasp of the English language. Thus my ability to read and understand this, from your own post...

Resolutely avant-garde in outlook, loyal to its ethical principles and committed to its independence, the Hottinger group deploys its extensive skills to satisfy your needs: to preserve and develop your net assets and safeguard the future for you and yours.

If they were referring to their money, they would say "ours", not "yours".

As to "Under Managemnt". It's under their management, they direct its future, they have defacto control of said monies, it is not the money.

 

[einmensch]

Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Lybia and Cuba are now the only countries in the world that do not have a Rothschild controlled central bank. If this is incorrect prove it.

 

[Colpy]

Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Lybia and Cuba are now the only countries in the world that do not have a Rothschild controlled central bank. If this is incorrect prove it.

I don't NEED to prove it, Moron. YOU are making the hypothesis....the onus of proof is on you.