Is Obama Toast?

JLM

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So... No link then, eh?

Yep, that map that was posted! Also I think it's quite foolhardy to think Romney has Ohio in the bag! For Romney to win there are a lot of "ifs" that have to work out. IF he'd have won the 2nd debate I'd start to worry, but it's clear he can't even get the basic facts straight!
 

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You're right I don't know much about U.S. politics but I do know a little about human nature and enough about Romney to make a fair assessment.

- JLM ... Your posts overall suggest strongly that you know very little about either Romney or Obama other than the egregiously false and misleading characterizations which have been peddled by the Obama camp making Romney out to be a cold, heartless capitalist prick and Obama to be the second coming of Christ, Plato, Einstein and Mother Theresa. Fortunately, the Obama campaign was run just like the Obama administration and the campaign is now bankrupt so that there will be less anti-Romney and pro-Obama BS thrown around in the last weeks of the campaign.

- Are you aware that Obama knows next to nothing about Canada and has adopted several policies and an indifferent attitude that are harmful to Canadian interests?

- Are you aware that Romney knows a great deal about Canada, has spent many weeks over many summers in Canada and especially at the family cottage in Grand Bend, has done significant business here and is greatly respected by Canadian business people with whom he has done business and, has growth and trade policies that when implemented would be benficial to Canada?

- Did it not strike you as at least odd that during the GOP convention a long line up of people from all socio-economic classes came to testify to the generosity and compassion and decency and industry of Mitt Romney while not a single person from Obama's largely unknown pre-presidential history could be found to testify on his behalf (including his own relatives many of whom he has refused to give even token support to)?

- Maybe you should start by taking just a few minutes of your valuable time to view the videos I have posted here under the thread Character Counts and the one today about The Real Mitt Romney Revealed.

- Alternatively, you may choose to continue to wallow in ignorance about Romney and Obama. But you would be amzed at what you can learn if you take the mental blinders off.
 

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Yep, that map that was posted! Also I think it's quite foolhardy to think Romney has Ohio in the bag! For Romney to win there are a lot of "ifs" that have to work out. IF he'd have won the 2nd debate I'd start to worry, but it's clear he can't even get the basic facts straight!


I just thought that you might back up your statement a bit, that's all.:lol:
 

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TeddyBallgame;1661546 - Are you aware that Obama knows next to nothing about Canada and has adopted several policies and an indifferent attitude that are harmful to Canadian interests? - Are you aware that Romney knows a great deal about Canada said:
Two things...............Canadians don't get to vote in U.S. elections and second I'm less dug in about Obama than you are about Romney. I don't really care who wins on election day..........politicians are politicians and another if I'm wrong it's not the end of the world. All I have to go on is how I see the two candidates and what Obama accomplished in his first term. If you are going to evaluate another man's job negatively, you should try doing it for a month yourself first.

I just thought that you might back up your statement a bit, that's all.:lol:

So you are admitting the map isn't accurate!!!! Suits me.
 

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A lot of people thought the same thing of Bush in 2004. He got re-elected. Or elected rather. :p

I still think its a coin toss at this point. I don't think it'll make much of a difference who wins. The bases of both candidates arent particularly excited by them. They seem to mostly be voting for them because they happen to be the name next to the (D) or (R) on the ballot rather than because they actually think one of them is genuinely a good choice.
 

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"Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs "

Still can't actually come up with anything factual, have to resort to the same tired insults. Obviously, the OP has nothing of substance to say, or they wouldn't keep resorting to pathetic insults. It's sad to see people who show some potential, writing in such a hackneyed wimpy way.

- TenPenny ... Coincidentally, my reference to the Chicago gang around Obama is echoed in this column in today's Toronto Sun by Dr. Salim Mansur who is a political science professor at Western specializing in Middle East Affairs (Mansur was born in Pakistan and is a Muslim and knows whereof he speaks in terms of how Obama's apologizing, appeasing, moral relativism and general weakness has made the Middle East more dangerous than it was before his presidency). Read this slowly, using your fingers and lips, and you will then know a bit more about the gang around the president. Then, you can always write to Dr. Mansur criticizing his writing style and maybe even his content. I'm sure he'll take your criticisms with the same seriousness that I do.

MANSUR
The irony of being Obama



By Salim Mansur ,QMI Agency
First posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 08:00 PM EDT

Every four years in the U.S., it comes down to the question that the Republican candidate Ronald Reagan asked the American voters in October 1980: “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”
During the second debate of the 2012 election cycle, Republican candidate Mitt Romney responded to a question by stating, “I can tell you that if you were to elect President Obama, you know what you’re going to get. You’re going to get a repeat of the last four years. We just can’t afford four more years like the last four years.”
And just as Reagan did in turning the 1980 campaign into a referendum on the Carter presidency, similarly Romney appears to have turned the 2012 campaign on its head and in his favour.
President Obama is not merely the first black, or coloured, president of the United States.
He is also the first affirmative action president and the poster-face — along with Bill Clinton — of children born to and reared by that segment of the boomer generation described scathingly as the most self-indulgent, or hedonistic, and amoral in the bestselling book, The Culture of Narcissism, by the late Christopher Lasch.
The question that hangs over American politics, and will be discussed in the years to come, is how could candidate Obama and the gang from Chicago who brought him to the White House in 2008 get enough Americans to vote for him?
This is a story that eventually will be told, and it will be an ugly story more revealing of the decay of American culture and society than, for instance, was the Watergate episode in American politics.
It is also the story in the larger sense that Lasch wrote about, as did Allan Bloom in his bestselling book, The Closing of the American Mind.
Enough damaging material about Obama’s past corrupt associations and left-wing Saul Alinsky politics got to be known in 2008.
Yet the mainstream media refused to investigate and properly vet Obama.
And Obama, on his part, threw every associate of his — his fiery pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his terrorist mentor Bill Ayers, his real-estate friend Tony Rezko (serving time in prison for embezzlement), and finally his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton — under the bus instead of taking responsibility for his part in relationships and situations that became matter of public concern.
The mainstream media circled Obama’s wagon, and carried him forward.
The New York Times, for instance, also known as the Pravda-on-the-Hudson, has been Obama’s ideological soulmate and cheerleader alongside NBC, CNN, ABC, MSNBC and similar media organizations.
This media bubble and the company of fawning Hollywood celebrities give Obama the sense he is above criticism and superior in intelligence to those around him, including opponents.
In being shielded by the liberal-left media, Obama has appeared glamorous. But when tested, as in the debates, he has come out looking glib and shallow.
The result might well be for Obama, as Clint Eastwood reminded his audience at the Republican convention a few weeks ago in Tampa, Fla., “and when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go.”
This, then, is the irony of being Obama.
 

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Cutting public service is popular as well as a mistake considering more people legal and illegal are coming into the country.

Privatizing the public service is another option, which would weaken government security. The Chinese would love to be in charge of some American government departments and it would save them a lot of money on spying costs.

Merging government departments, which require a longer time in transition to get back to the level of work where it is being processed in the shortest and efficient time.

There is always the consultant to take charge but at the end of the day one worries about scandals.

The American people are unpredictable where to them an American president should be severely punished for having his knob polished by an intern than an American president committing his country to a war where thousands of soldiers and civilians die.

 

JLM

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A lot of people thought the same thing of Bush in 2004. He got re-elected. Or elected rather. :p

I still think its a coin toss at this point. I don't think it'll make much of a difference who wins. The bases of both candidates arent particularly excited by them. They seem to mostly be voting for them because they happen to be the name next to the (D) or (R) on the ballot rather than because they actually think one of them is genuinely a good choice.

You hit the nail right on the head.
 

damngrumpy

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Remember this is October, and the situation will change before the Nov 6Th deadline.
This is about the middle class and the press and media. There is the drama of the
whole thing and when the drama shifts the race will tighten up. People who shout
Obama is going to win are saying so with some uncertainty. Those for Romney are
a tad bit over optimistic. here is why.
Right now the undecideds are undecided and anything can trigger them. The Obama
core vote is stronger and that shows in the large state committed to him. The swing
states will follow not Obama but Clinton and if you see him going there in the last week
don't be surprised. Romney has core strength in States that can turn on a dime while
in this election the big more Liberal States are more Committed. Romney States do
include the hardcore Christian states but these are Electoral College deficient States.
I would still give Obama the lead based on that when the dust settles but in fact
neither side is safe. If the folks who want to preserve medicare show up to vote I
Believe Romney will not win and in fact the Mainstream Fiscal Conservatives may yet
look the other way and vote for.....Obama, in order to get control of their own party and
run someone like Jeb Bush next time around.
 

JLM

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So... No link then, eh?

Yep, the map posted. Actually I think it's a little bit presumtuous for anyone to predict a Romney victory in Mississippi, with 37% of the population being black! On that score I think the map is bullsh*t.

Remember this is October, and the situation will change before the Nov 6Th deadline.
This is about the middle class and the press and media. There is the drama of the
whole thing and when the drama shifts the race will tighten up. People who shout
Obama is going to win are saying so with some uncertainty. Those for Romney are
a tad bit over optimistic. here is why.
Right now the undecideds are undecided and anything can trigger them. The Obama
core vote is stronger and that shows in the large state committed to him. The swing
states will follow not Obama but Clinton and if you see him going there in the last week
don't be surprised. Romney has core strength in States that can turn on a dime while
in this election the big more Liberal States are more Committed. Romney States do
include the hardcore Christian states but these are Electoral College deficient States.
I would still give Obama the lead based on that when the dust settles but in fact
neither side is safe. If the folks who want to preserve medicare show up to vote I
Believe Romney will not win and in fact the Mainstream Fiscal Conservatives may yet
look the other way and vote for.....Obama, in order to get control of their own party and
run someone like Jeb Bush next time around.

Jeb would be good, what with two advisors in the family. Mind you I'm not sure how strong old George's faculties would be come 2016. :lol:
 

damngrumpy

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What is respectable? The problem is on either side respectable is not a word that
can be used. The map is far too early to say whether or not either candidate is
actually ahead. The reason? You can have all the states you want if you don't
have the ones that count you have little to cheer about.
This election should have been a cake walk for Obama but they let it slip away
into a wide open race. It should also be a wake up call to the political parties in
this country. People are restless or angry or both in most countries that have elections
these day and no one is safe regardless of party. No one knows what can happen
during an election. All things considered, I would not count Obama out at all.
 

JLM

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What is respectable? The problem is on either side respectable is not a word that
can be used. The map is far too early to say whether or not either candidate is
actually ahead. The reason? You can have all the states you want if you don't
have the ones that count you have little to cheer about.
This election should have been a cake walk for Obama but they let it slip away
into a wide open race. It should also be a wake up call to the political parties in
this country. People are restless or angry or both in most countries that have elections
these day and no one is safe regardless of party. No one knows what can happen
during an election. All things considered, I would not count Obama out at all.

Absolutely not, the only big state he hasn't got from I can see is Texas. I doubt like Hell if Romney is going to sweep the deep south like the map shows.
 

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Other than Texas, the 'deep South' has gotten their ass handed to them economically by Obama's policies... They bought into his empty promises last time and now there is enough knowledge among the general population that everyone knows that the cupboards are bare and Obama can't buy the election this time.

Expect the electoral map to reflect this
 

JLM

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Other than Texas, the 'deep South' has gotten their ass handed to them economically by Obama's policies... They bought into his empty promises last time and now there is enough knowledge among the general population that everyone knows that the cupboards are bare and Obama can't buy the election this time.

Expect the electoral map to reflect this


President Map - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

Actually the 2012 map is very similar to the 2008 map, so as old Yogi once said "it's not over until......................"
 

JLM

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Hmm I hadnt seen that one before. I guess the Democrats winning southern states in the 40s and 50s was just a blip then.

Is the Republican win in the south for the right reasons? They take a lot of heat for their connection to religion more than politics, but from the support I see here, I can only gather people in the south are happy with that. So IF Romney wins how is he going to rationalize going against the general populace of separing religion from state?