Is Obama the worst president ever?

SirJosephPorter

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Criticisms of a president for being "unpresidential" are usually worth a hill of beans. Examples of being unpresidential are usually trivial matters such as the president being too irreverant.

Or saying which TV channel he dislikes.

Quite so, ‘unpresidential’ is in the eye of the beholder. To me, Bush’s conduct, invading Iraq for no apparent reason, being responsible for the death of several thousand Americans (more deaths that occurred during the 9/11 terrorist attack), for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, was very unpresidential.

Being responsible for two huge big meltdowns (the dot com meltdown and the even bigger recent meltdown) was very unpresidential.
 

DaSleeper

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Libs or Dems following a leader;-)

 

Icarus27k

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Then again, saying someone is drinking Kool-Aid or calling someone a sheep is a very easy accusation to make. It's the training wheels of an argumentative response. It's like I've said somewhere here on CC before. The "Kool-Aid" case shouldn't even be made in a serious discussion.
 

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So does that mean that FOX news covered Obama 31 million times? It must, if you get that many results as a result of searching ‘Obama Fox news’.

That sounds like a typical IT consultant, who doesn't even understand how Google searches work.

I thought 'Obama Fox News' was 'Led Zeppelin's' brother. He's quite good, you know.
 

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Ambrose: Does Obama administration share blame for spill?

Staff Reports
Friday, May 7, 2010

It’s becoming increasingly clear that governmental laxity has made it more likely that the oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico could result in an ecological and economic disaster of the first magnitude, and here’s the question. After President Obama has finished pointing fingers at everyone else, will he take a long, hard look at his own administration and learn anything?
That’s not his style, of course. To date, whenever he has taken a false step, he has looked over his shoulder and mostly blamed his predecessor, George W. Bush, and as the oil slicks move about in the Gulf, threatening to wash ashore on the coastlines of five states, destroy wetland and wildlife and seriously damage fishing and tourism businesses, he has been blaming British Petroleum, better known as BP, owner of the well.
And yes, BP, perhaps along with the company operating the rig, must be held accountable for the accident that has already taken 11 lives. At the very least, there were errors that perhaps could have been prevented, and at the worst, the company took a dangerous, money-saving shortcut and disobeyed an important restriction, allegations not yet proven. But the story does not end there.
For one thing, as The Press-Register in Mobile, Ala., has reported, the government has had a plan for 16 years to control oil slicks with devices known as fire booms, which trail along behind two boats and collect oil that can then be burned. Come the explosion, however, and no fire boom was to be found. One was purchased from an Illinois company and others sought from overseas.
If they had been immediately available and put to prompt use, says the newspaper, the oil slick could have been dissipated 100 miles from any shoreline.
The lack of these booms must trace back to administrations before this one, but two wrongs, most of us are taught as children, do not make a right. Keep in mind that Obama recently called for lifting some restrictions on offshore drilling and obviously knew of environmental concerns about such a move. Wouldn’t an alert, careful administration have immediately done some checking on anything possibly amiss in the prevention of widespread destruction resulting from a drilling mishap?
Had it done so, it would also have discovered that the Minerals Management Service, which regulates offshore drilling and has been widely criticized, has no requirement that so-called “blowout preventers” include an acoustic valve that various reports say could quickly have stopped oil from flowing from the well. The issue, it turns out, is not a new one, which is to say, it is something the administration could have acted on.
Clearly, this is hindsight talking, but doesn’t most of the political world in hindsight think Wall Street should have know its derivative risks could lead to financial collapse, and as we move in on the event itself, we find the administration was not so Johnny-on-the-spot as it has pretended — initially, an Associated Press analysis notes, there was nowhere near the sense of urgency that developed later.
Especially if nature cooperates, BP may be able to prevent or alleviate some of the worst possibilities of environmental and economic damage, but we can already figure on the death of much sea life and the political death of offshore drilling, even though it appears there are safeguards that could keep such an accident from occurring again.
It doesn’t matter — this idea, as important as it may be for America’s energy future, has almost certainly been flattened, and Obama himself must share some of the blame. He should accept this blame, if not openly with a public mea culpa, at least privately, in discussions with aides, knowing that acknowledgment of mistakes can lead to improved performance in the future.
Jay Ambrose, formerly Washington director of editorial policy for Scripps Howard newspapers and the editor of dailies in El Paso, Texas, and Denver, is a columnist living in Colorado.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/may/07/does-obama-administration-share-blame-for-spill/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Nashville flood: The South's self-help disaster
Atlanta
The deadly flood that soaked Nashville, including iconic music dives like the Grand Ole Opry, may become the worst disaster to hit the state since the Civil War, and one of the worst non-hurricane disasters in US history.

So where was the 24-hour blitzkrieg news coverage of a major US city under water?

With the Gulf oil spill and the Times Square bombing attempt dominating the news cycle, maybe the relative lack of coverage and attention can be chalked up to disaster overload or the lack of a broader political and social narrative of the kind that drove hurricane Katrina coverage. Where was Obama and his disaster aid. I know he had to go out on a date with Michelle.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0508/Nashville-flood-The-South-s-self-help-disaster
Why did Obama not take the blame for the Times Square bomber almost getting away? Obama, Janet Napolitano & Homeland Security, not one took blame for what happened. It was the airlines fault that the bomber boarded the plane. (he never should have gotten on the plane)

President Obama like all liberals never takes the blame for anything, just finds fault someplace else. The buck never stops with Obama.
 

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Ambrose: Does Obama administration share blame for spill?

Staff Reports
Friday, May 7, 2010

It’s becoming increasingly clear that governmental laxity has made it more likely that the oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico could result in an ecological and economic disaster of the first magnitude, and here’s the question. After President Obama has finished pointing fingers at everyone else, will he take a long, hard look at his own administration and learn anything?
That’s not his style, of course. To date, whenever he has taken a false step, he has looked over his shoulder and mostly blamed his predecessor, George W. Bush, and as the oil slicks move about in the Gulf, threatening to wash ashore on the coastlines of five states, destroy wetland and wildlife and seriously damage fishing and tourism businesses, he has been blaming British Petroleum, better known as BP, owner of the well.
And yes, BP, perhaps along with the company operating the rig, must be held accountable for the accident that has already taken 11 lives. At the very least, there were errors that perhaps could have been prevented, and at the worst, the company took a dangerous, money-saving shortcut and disobeyed an important restriction, allegations not yet proven. But the story does not end there.
For one thing, as The Press-Register in Mobile, Ala., has reported, the government has had a plan for 16 years to control oil slicks with devices known as fire booms, which trail along behind two boats and collect oil that can then be burned. Come the explosion, however, and no fire boom was to be found. One was purchased from an Illinois company and others sought from overseas.
If they had been immediately available and put to prompt use, says the newspaper, the oil slick could have been dissipated 100 miles from any shoreline.
The lack of these booms must trace back to administrations before this one, but two wrongs, most of us are taught as children, do not make a right. Keep in mind that Obama recently called for lifting some restrictions on offshore drilling and obviously knew of environmental concerns about such a move. Wouldn’t an alert, careful administration have immediately done some checking on anything possibly amiss in the prevention of widespread destruction resulting from a drilling mishap?
Had it done so, it would also have discovered that the Minerals Management Service, which regulates offshore drilling and has been widely criticized, has no requirement that so-called “blowout preventers” include an acoustic valve that various reports say could quickly have stopped oil from flowing from the well. The issue, it turns out, is not a new one, which is to say, it is something the administration could have acted on.
Clearly, this is hindsight talking, but doesn’t most of the political world in hindsight think Wall Street should have know its derivative risks could lead to financial collapse, and as we move in on the event itself, we find the administration was not so Johnny-on-the-spot as it has pretended — initially, an Associated Press analysis notes, there was nowhere near the sense of urgency that developed later.
Especially if nature cooperates, BP may be able to prevent or alleviate some of the worst possibilities of environmental and economic damage, but we can already figure on the death of much sea life and the political death of offshore drilling, even though it appears there are safeguards that could keep such an accident from occurring again.
It doesn’t matter — this idea, as important as it may be for America’s energy future, has almost certainly been flattened, and Obama himself must share some of the blame. He should accept this blame, if not openly with a public mea culpa, at least privately, in discussions with aides, knowing that acknowledgment of mistakes can lead to improved performance in the future.
Jay Ambrose, formerly Washington director of editorial policy for Scripps Howard newspapers and the editor of dailies in El Paso, Texas, and Denver, is a columnist living in Colorado.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/may/07/does-obama-administration-share-blame-for-spill/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Nashville flood: The South's self-help disaster
Atlanta
The deadly flood that soaked Nashville, including iconic music dives like the Grand Ole Opry, may become the worst disaster to hit the state since the Civil War, and one of the worst non-hurricane disasters in US history.

So where was the 24-hour blitzkrieg news coverage of a major US city under water?

With the Gulf oil spill and the Times Square bombing attempt dominating the news cycle, maybe the relative lack of coverage and attention can be chalked up to disaster overload or the lack of a broader political and social narrative of the kind that drove hurricane Katrina coverage. Where was Obama and his disaster aid. I know he had to go out on a date with Michelle.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0508/Nashville-flood-The-South-s-self-help-disaster
Why did Obama not take the blame for the Times Square bomber almost getting away? Obama, Janet Napolitano & Homeland Security, not one took blame for what happened. It was the airlines fault that the bomber boarded the plane. (he never should have gotten on the plane)

President Obama like all liberals never takes the blame for anything, just finds fault someplace else. The buck never stops with Obama.

Well what do you know, Obama is the exact same as Bush and every other politician.
 

SirJosephPorter

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That sounds like a typical IT consultant, who doesn't even understand how Google searches work.

I thought 'Obama Fox News' was 'Led Zeppelin's' brother. He's quite good, you know.

Hey, I am not in the least bit interested how many hits you get for "Obama Fox news', whether 31 or 31 million. I couldn't care less what Fox says about Obama (it is probably all negative and misrepresentation or exaggeration of truth anyway).

If you want to find out what Fox is saying about Obama (and perhaps accept it as the Gospel truth, I don't know), knock yourself out.
 

SirJosephPorter

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There was .....The teflon President.....then Slick Willie
Wonder what name will be given to Obama...??? "Pas ma faute"?????

Reagan was the teflon president, not Clinton. Nothing stuck to Clinton (he left office with approval rating in the high 60s) because there was nothing to stick. It was only the prudish Republicans who went apoplectic, who had their panties in a bunch because Clinton had sex with his intern. American people couldn't care less who he had sex with, as long as he managed the economy well (and he did).

And when it turned out that Gingrich, who led the impeachment efforts and who was foaming at the mouth because Clinton had affair with his intern was doing the same thing at the same time (having an affair with his intern), Republicans lost all credibility. Gingrich had to resign in disgrace.

So there was nothing there to stick, i don't think Clinton deserves the label of teflon president. Reagan does.
 
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SirJosephPorter

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Well what do you know, Obama is the exact same as Bush and every other politician.

Wash your mouth with soap, Avro. Bush was the best president USA has ever had, he was an economic genius, a foreign policy wizard. All the problems facing USA started the day Obama got elected. Bush and Obama the same? Republicans, conservatives will lynch you if they could.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Yet the bias press still lauds him. Notice no criticism of President Obama.

No criticism of Obama, really? There has non stop, 24/7 criticism of Obama by:

Hate radio
Extreme right wing websites
Fox News
Washington Times
Wall street Journal.
Teabaggers
Birthers

Obama has been the most criticized president ever. Indeed he has the honour of being called a Communist and a Nazi at the same time, a USSR spy and a Muslim terrorist at the same time. No other president has been called that.

Obama has been severely criticized, continuously trashed since the day he was elected. And a lot of that is attributed to racism.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I'm from Missouri. (Prove left wing CBS, NBC, ABC, NY Times etc.)

It is only your opinion that CBS, NBC etc are left wing and that FOX, Washington times, hate radio etc. are unbiased.

I assume in your opinion any publication which does not criticize Obama non stop is left wing.
 

DaSleeper

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There was .....The teflon President.....then Slick Willie
Wonder what name will be given to Obama...??? "Pas ma faute"?????

Reagan was the teflon president, not Clinton. Nothing stuck to Clinton (he left office with approval rating in the high 60s) because there was nothing to stick.
You do have a reading problem...you will notice I put one word in bold for you so you would notice that it meant a different person....
But you already knew that....You enjoy muddying the waters to obfuscate the issue like you did in the rest of your post
It was only the prudish Republicans who went apoplectic, who had their panties in a bunch because Clinton had sex with his intern. American people couldn't care less who he had sex with, as long as he managed the economy well (and he did).

And when it turned out that Gingrich, who led the impeachment efforts and who was foaming at the mouth because Clinton had affair with his intern was doing the same thing at the same time (having an affair with his intern), Republicans lost all credibility. Gingrich had to resign in disgrace.

So there was nothing there to stick, i don't think Clinton deserves the label of teflon president. Reagan does.
Just more talk with the usual substance......
Now report this post so it can be removed
 

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I'm from Missouri. (Prove left wing CBS, NBC, ABC, NY Times etc.)


I think you have him "buffaloed" with that "Missouri" reference.................he 'd be better off quitting while ahead...................................:lol::lol: