Is Obama the worst president ever?
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Fiscally responsible and he was a democrat, who would have thought. Wait, now we'll hear how it was the majority republican congress that should take the credit.
Quite so. Truman is regarded as a straight shooter, a straight talker, a great president etc. What is not well known (or perhaps not well acknowledged) is that he was highly unpopular when he left office, with approval rating in the 20s, similar to that of Bush.
It was worse than that, Avro; he set a very bad example for conservatives. Conservatives regard Reagan as almost a demi God. So if Regan borrowed heavily and racked up a huge debt, a huge deficit, that must be a good thing. So Republicans enthusiastically adopted the borrow and spend Reagan philosophy.
It is like a parent setting bad example for the children. All the conservative children imitated the bad example of their parent, Reagan and have been racking up huge debt and deficits ever since (both in USA and Canada).
Maybe the cost of getting rid of a huge albatross.............the old U.S.S.R. :smile::smile:
Surplus- on paper maybe. We just don't know.......we don't know how the books were made and we don't even know for sure the right books to look in. After all is said and done and you have a reasonably accurate set of books, then that has to be balanced against the wealth of the country. Just too many intangibles to make an accurate comparison.
Regan wasn't as bad as the Bush's.
He did get the ball rolling though.
In the current Republican astmosphere Regan would be a moderate and therefore the enemy.
People can praise Clinton all they want but he was never confronted with any major issues while president.................................... well just one.........................Monica. LOL
USSR was a convenient bogeyman to build up the military industrial complex. The Joseph McCarthy hysteria of the 50s was largely inspired by fear of USSR.
The sad, unfortunate part was that US leaders started believing their own rhetoric. That is why in order to counter Soviet occupation of Afghanistan; USA enthusiastically supported the Mujaheeden, who later morphed into Taliban and Al Qaeda.
That was the classic example of cutting of one’s nose to spite somebody else.
Reagan may not have run up as big a deficit as Bush, but he started the tradition. Since Reagan started the tradition, it stuck, and conservatives enthusiastically embraced the borrow and spend philosophy.
Conservatives do not revere Bush like they revere Reagan. If Bush had been the first one to start the borrow and spend tradition, it s not clear that conservatives would have embraced the philosophy so enthusiastically.
So in that respect Regan gets a bigger share of the blame than Bush. He was capable of starting any tradition among the conservatives; he was like a God to them, next only to Jesus. And of all the traditions he could have started, he started borrow and spend.
And yes, Reagan will definitely be a moderate today and will be turfed out of the Republican Party. The Republican Party has moved sharply to the right in recent decades.
Other than Nixon - who had the integrity that Slick Willy never had - no other President lowered the office to personal attacks on those who disagree with him.
Well, Obama trumps Nixon in that regard in spades. (No pun intended).
Providing a list of all the childish and idiotic remarks Obama - personally, not just thru his office - made about individuals and/or corporations would be boringly long.
Worst President? Too soon to know. But most childish, immature, unprepared, petulant and incompetant, YES!
Well, Obama trumps Nixon in that regard in spades. (No pun intended).
Providing a list of all the childish and idiotic remarks Obama - personally, not just thru his office - made about individuals and/or corporations would be boringly long.
Worst President? Too soon to know. But most childish, immature, unprepared, petulant and incompetant, YES!
I think I've seen a fair amount of Obama on the idiot box but I've never seen him as you describe him. Are you sure you are looking at the right guy. I think you have him mixed up with Al Sharpton or someone. :lol::lol::lol:
Also facts: Fiscal year 2009 is Oct. 2008-Sept. 2009, meaning that both Bush and Obama are responsible for that really big deficit bar marked under "09". The first full fiscal year that Obama is responsible for (2010, Oct. 2009-Sept. 2010) lowers the deficit from the previous year.
Final fact: those numbers for future fiscal years are projections, and their meaningfulness are dubious. They will be effected by legislation that will be passed in the meantime. For example, this graph doesn't include the budgetary impact of the health care reform law (signed into law March 2010), which is going to cut the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.
JLM, old buddy, you wondered:
"I think I've seen a fair amount of Obama on the idiot box but I've never seen him as you describe him. Are you sure you are looking at the right guy. I think you have him mixed up with Al Sharpton or someone. :lol::lol::lol:"
No, I did not confuse one black person for another. That would be a distinctly liberal characteristic.
The examples that Obama behaves in a totally unpresidential way and takes it upon himself to attack his detractors, rather than leaving that to his well-paid lackies, is far too numerous.
Just do a google on "Obama Fox News". That would be just a sample.
"I think I've seen a fair amount of Obama on the idiot box but I've never seen him as you describe him. Are you sure you are looking at the right guy. I think you have him mixed up with Al Sharpton or someone. :lol::lol::lol:"
No, I did not confuse one black person for another. That would be a distinctly liberal characteristic.
The examples that Obama behaves in a totally unpresidential way and takes it upon himself to attack his detractors, rather than leaving that to his well-paid lackies, is far too numerous.
Just do a google on "Obama Fox News". That would be just a sample.