Is Obama the worst president ever?

EagleSmack

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I consider the change from about 750,000 jobs lost nationally in January 2009 to job gains in March 2010 to be quite significant. Implied in your post is that it's not. Those individuals who got jobs last month would disagree with you, I'm sure.

I bet you would. You need something to hold on to.

Like I said before in this thread, monthly job losses/gains are a different stat from the unemployment rate. Eventually the unemployment rate is going to follow the monthly job gains and start going down. In fact, the rate has already gone down from a high of 10.2% in Oct. 2009.

Of course you will need to look at anything to keep hope alive. The fact is that Unemployment is at 9.7%... that's high... real high.

Now you are saying at least it isn't 10.2%?

Oh brother.

(Although, I could make the case the 10.2% was inflated because BLS used normal seasonal adjustments in an abnormal year.)

So maybe they should change the formula to make the numbers look the way you want.
 

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Instead of answering the question, you went on a personal attack (which is typical of a conservative, when they lose an argument, they resort to personalities)."

One thing that has always baffled me is how some people have such clear vision when it comes to others but are absolutely blind when it comes to themselves - hey I do believe I've just stumbled on the definition of a hypocrite. LOL
 

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calling everybody who disagrees with you as bigotry doesn't change the fact and your bigotry as well :D


This isn't about disagreement selin. This is about simple facts. You just made it all ok for Turkey to abuse human rights, because as you said, your leader doesn't represent the principles of Turkey. Yet when you talk about America, the President represents the principles of the US.

That isn't based on fact, that's based on your ideology, which is manifesting in a form of bigotry. You aren't a bigot because you disagree with me, you just simply are. And yes selin, because I'm mature enough to admit it, I am a bigot. But it doesn't blind me from reality. It would serve you well to learn how to do the same thing.

Have a nice day selin, here endth the lesson.
 

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Second only to last November? So you admit that unemployment is lower today than it was in November, when Bush was in power? A rare admission for a Republican indeed.

Well lets see now.

It is April 2010 and last November would have been... what... November 2009.

So yes last November would be November 2009 and Obama was in office. Oh and unemployment was the highest in decades.

Or did you mean November 2009, and not November 2008?

Well what does last November mean to you?

Fish in a barrel. Just like shooting fish in a barrel.
 

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I notice you carefully avoided answering my question.


I answered it quite clearly, twice in fact.


Instead of answering the question, you went on a personal attack.


I see that you are one with very thin skin... I did nothing of the sort my good man. I merely made an observation based solely on your lack of reading comprehension skills.

There's nothing to be ashamed of. There are many people (albeit generally young children) that have this difficulty.

Perhaps you are suffering from a lack of confidence, possibly an inferiority complex of some kind.



So let me try once again. If Liberals are a miserable bunch, then are Canadians also miserable bunch, since in the last 32 years (since 1968 ) they have elected Liberals to power for 19 years?

For the third time; the statement was that liberals are a miserable bunch. Period... Your extrapolations are yours and yours alone.
 

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This isn't about disagreement selin. This is about simple facts. You just made it all ok for Turkey to abuse human rights, because as you said, your leader doesn't represent the principles of Turkey. Yet when you talk about America, the President represents the principles of the US.

That isn't based on fact, that's based on your ideology, which is manifesting in a form of bigotry. You aren't a bigot because you disagree with me, you just simply are. And yes selin, because I'm mature enough to admit it, I am a bigot. But it doesn't blind me from reality. It would serve you well to learn how to do the same thing.

Have a nice day selin, here endth the lesson.

i don't justify anything
i have just said that "who adopt that policy seems the worst because policy is worst" ,you misunderstood or just want to amuse yourself.
 
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So Canadians are a "miserable bunch" because 38% of 60% of 75% voted Liberal in 2/3 of the Federal Elections. LOL
 

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Of course you will need to look at anything to keep hope alive. The fact is that Unemployment is at 9.7%... that's high... real high.

Now you are saying at least it isn't 10.2%?

Oh brother.

Exactly right. The unemployment rate is down, which is good news. It'll continue its way down overtime too. Especially if some of the more opimistic projections (500,000 job gains in June or July) come true.

Even if the rate does go up again, it'll signal an improvement because people who gave up looking for work have become more hopeful about getting a job and have re-entered the labor force. But if there really are going to be 500,000 jobs added each month this summer, that would be well over enough to push the unemployment rate down.
 

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Exactly right. The unemployment rate is down, which is good news. It'll continue its way down overtime too. Especially if some of the more opimistic projections (500,000 job gains in June or July) come true.

Dude...it was at 10.2%!

Even if the rate does go up again, it'll signal an improvement because people who gave up looking for work have become more hopeful about getting a job and have re-entered the labor force.

You better hope it does not go up.

I love the democratic spin...

"Unemployment has gone up because people are more hopeful!"

Yaaaaay! :roll:

But if there really are going to be 500,000 jobs added each month this summer, that would be well over enough to push the unemployment rate down.

500K per month? That is a pretty big goal. Any idea where we are going to get them?

Keep your fingers crossed.
 

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Actually Liberals have been in power for 28 of the past 42 years. People who put such importance in "statistics" should at least get them "right". Maybe I don't understand the "new math" but when I was in school 2010-1968 = 42. LOL
 

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Keep doing that sweet hot foot dance selin...your bigotry is showing...

Thank you for exposing your ignorance about the US.
Actually Bear, she has a point. Or at least made me think about how other countries view the USA. They do not get everyday news of the USA, are separated by distance, and most of the news they do get about it is when the USA does something overseas, and that news is not all that pretty sometimes. We are next door and understand that the policies of the feds may not particularly jive with public. Same problem as Canada has, but do people outside of our countries see that aspect in the news? I doubt it.
It's basically a bad rep based on a lack of info.
 

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Dude...it was at 10.2%!



You better hope it does not go up.

I love the democratic spin...

"Unemployment has gone up because people are more hopeful!"

Yaaaaay! :roll:



500K per month? That is a pretty big goal. Any idea where we are going to get them?

Keep your fingers crossed.

Are you sure you understand how employment economics works? When discouraged workers become more hopeful and re-enter the labor force, that is a positive development. It temporarily causes the unemployment rate to go up since the rate is reflecting a larger population.
 

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Actually Bear, she has a point. Or at least made me think about how other countries view the USA. They do not get everyday news of the USA, are separated by distance, and most of the news they do get about it is when the USA does something overseas, and that news is not all that pretty sometimes. We are next door and understand that the policies of the feds may not particularly jive with public. Same problem as Canada has, but do people outside of our countries see that aspect in the news? I doubt it.
It's basically a bad rep based on a lack of info.
Is selin posting on CC? Or is that a figment of my imagination?

She obviously has access to reality. It isn't as if some of us haven't attempted to open her eyes. Her choice is to keep them shut. A common problem among her little clan here.
 

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Are you sure you understand how employment economics works? When discouraged workers become more hopeful and re-enter the labor force, that is a positive development. It temporarily causes the unemployment rate to go up since the rate is reflecting a larger population.

I am well aware of how it works and I am well aware of how the Democrats use that spin.

People have become hopeful

or

People have lost hope.

The Dems used the "People have lost hope" spin when they tried to explain booming employment under Bush.

"Unemployment numbers are low because people have just lost hope and are no longer looking for work...that why the unemployment numbers are down"

Well hey...keep your fingers crossed. It might be a hot summer.
 

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Oh well excuse us because that makes perfect sense.
I think what she means is that US companies seem to spread around the world exploiting whatever they can, and the gov't seems to promote the activity. As I pointed out to Bear, other countries rarely get good news in international affairs and see a lot of bad stuff. It's like disliking a neighbor because of a bad reputation before you get to experience the neighbor face to face. Prejudging them, as it were.
 

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I thought i'd put in a letter written by a Catholic priest of Obama, which i think shows how deeply alienated some sectors of the American public, and especially conservative religious segments have become. It's long, but essentially covers the main points of conflict with some comprehensiveness.

I personally only agree with some of it, and that is in respect to his championing of abortion, in fact sponsoring and imposing abortion world wide, as a fundamental 'human right', a solution to 'overpopulation'. As for the rest, it basically labels him a communist and a 'jihadist', so it's pretty extreme.

I think health care (with the exception of abortion) and his taking ownership of GM and Chrysler to prevent their collapse, his attempts to regulate Wall Street greed are good things. But that is sabatoged by his support of Free Trade and the other tenets of post nation state, liberal economics. I think the hysteria over the Deficit, is just that. If they ditch monetarism, with its prohibition on monetarizing debt in a non-inflationary manner, and if they used their own sources of credit rather than foreign, that problem would largely disappear. Deficit has become a Republican code word for 'big government'.

Outside of abortion i have trouble seeing a cohesive, integrated, ideological agenda for Obama. I doubt he anyworse than Clinton or Bush Jr., but he absolutely seems no better.

But i believe abortion alone, will destroy the ideals of the American Republic, turn it into a new Roman Empire, dispensing tyranny and death throughout the world. That hasn't happened yet, and certainly Obama is not alone in framing it, but it is on the horizon.



An "Open Letter" to the Honorable Senators and Representatives of the State of Arizona who serve in the Congress of the United States of America. "Open", because it is written for all concerned parties as well.

Under the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America the "Right of Free Speech" is both guaranteed and protected. With that guarantee in mind, I will speak my thoughts, by way of writing, concerning President Barach Obama and his administration.

After more than a year as president of this country, the citizens and especially the members of Congress should have a clear idea of who President Obama really is. The laws enacted and presently trying to be enacted, his policies, his initiatives, those in place and those to come, his appointments and recommendations for appointment, his speeches both at home and abroad, all coalesce to speak out and clear his unspoken and undeclared goal. Actions do speak louder than words and his actions are in contradiction to his words.

Simply and unequivocally stated, I believe his goal is the destruction of this nation. I am aware that this is a very serious and severe charge. Its truth can be supported and defended by a very careful examination of the matters stated in the preceding paragraph.

The principle means to achieve this goal is no less than the Federal Government itself with its power and the use of "WORDS"! Psychological warfare has been in practice against the citizens of this country and the members of Congress have not been spared. The rapid extension of government control and power, that achieved and that planned for, is not a product of naivete, ignorance or lack of governing experience.

On the contrary, it is all thought out, calculated and being executed with determined will. Words are very powerful and their power to sway must not be underestimated. A mix of what is true, half-true and a deliberate lie can be a very powerful tool to deceive. It has proved to be very effective by President Obama and his administration. It is not a historical first.

So far, Congress has failed to protect the well being of this country, its people and its Constitution from the onslaught brought before it. If members of Congress have knowingly and willingly supported damaging presidential initiatives, they are guilty of "formal cooperation" and bear responsibility for the damage already done. e.g. the unsupportable financial debt imposed on the people of this country and the concomitant increase of taxation that will be required. "Material cooperation" based on ignorance, cannot be claimed. As elected representatives of the people, members of Congress have the responsibility and obligation to understand all matters of potential law and the consequences upon which they will vote. The demands and burdens of public office are great but they are also most important and honorable. They are worthy of one's commitment, energy and dedication.

A morally true and good social order is founded upon the sacredness of human life from conception to natural death. Yet the "abstract" human life, only exists in a human person. A human individual person, at every stage of growth and development, with inalienable rights to life, dignity and respect.

The union of a particular individual man and a particular individual woman in the stable and committed bond of marriage is the God given institution for bringing new human beings into the human family and provide for their care and education. Until present time, his has never been challenged in American culture. Man, (using the name generically for the human race), unites with his fellow man to provide for those needs of life for which he cannot provide for adequately as an individual, thus freely forming society or societies to achieve particular ends or goals.

The God given society of marriage and family is the foundation of all other societies. For the well being of human life it must be protected from adverse forces that was against it and fostered and respected for the common good.

In the formation and creation of human societies, including those of the state and Nation, with different levels and magnitudes, different powers, goals and limits, to establish the "Social Order", the basic principle of "Subsidiarity" must be followed. What man can do for himself he should do. A basic responsibility for one's well being must be accepted by each. When on cannot care or provide for himself, the need moves to a higher level of social organization. The individual must always retain as much power over his life as possible. The higher level of social organization must always act within its legitimate limits and not exceed them. Most importantly this applies to governmental bodies so that the freedom of the individual citizen is always protected. The quest for universal and comprehensive Health Care to be managed by the federal government, supported by law with punitive measures, is in direct conflict with this fundamental principle of Subsidiarity. Unjust demonizing of private insurance companies has been and is being waged against them by President Obama and his administration. Care is the frontal piece for propaganda; the goal is government control over the people with the facet of life that touches every single person sooner or later. Genuine, partial and incremental reforms have been offered and all have been rejected.Care in not the real concern of the administration, in spite of words, government control is!

The good of the Social Order requires the practice of Justice. The obligation to practice justice pertains to individuals, "legal"
persons or corporations, and all governmental bodies towards the citizens. Distributive Justice is an important consideration.
Distributive Justice is based on the truth or rights of the human race to the earth's goods for a dignified human life. This distribution and benefit destined for all people must be carried out in such a manner that the rights of ALL are protected and respected. This brief consideration is important in that the administration is imbued with Marxist theories necessary to foster antipathy of the poor against the rich. It is a false theory, but a careful look will show that it is and has been pursued by the present administration.

Social life, the interaction of individual persons, legal bodies and government, required strict justice. This justice will never be achieved in any Social Order, no matter how good the structure may be to achieve it without genuine love and care for one's human family, of being one human race, is necessary and indispensable. We must seek justice, peace, charity and a true and good structure. We have such a structure presented in the Constitution of this country. In Marxist theory the Constitution is only a piece of paper whereby the rich oppress and control the poor.

Marxism seeks the "leveling" of society and a redistribution through class conflict and antagonism. Conflict is necessary and the emotion of anger is the motivating force to drive it. Honest, peaceful and reasoning that seeks peace and justice for all... and truth.. is its enemy.

Some months past I had mailed a copy of "The Communist Manifesto", a relatively small booklet of 48 pages, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, to all Arizona members of Congress and to President Obama. I felt fairly certain that President Obama was well aware of and schooled in its contents and I wanted our Arizona Congressmen to be alerted to what they were
dealing with. It is worth reading to obtain an overall view of Marxist thinking and goals but does not cover all the tactics to be employed to achieve its stated goals. Yet, it does cover some of them which are presently being put into practice by the Obama Administration. Importantly, the Manifesto does point out that the first step to Social Revolution is to gain control of the existing government with its power.

Marxism always looks for a crisis as a gateway to enter and apply its theories. If one does not exist, it will create on or try to convince people that there is one. The administration has created an immense and unsupportable national debt that opens the door to many other problems for the country. This is a desired, though unstated, goal of the administration. The housing crisis, high unemployment, the devaluation of the dollar and rising inflation all open the door for greater invasion and control by the government or state. They give the opportunity to create even greater debt to a point where recovery will no longer be possible.

President Obama has over invaded private industry, e.g. General motors and Chrysler, and Banking. He has attempted to stifle and intimidate people from speaking out through "Hate Speech" Legislation. He has outsourced the writing of Legislative bills, e.g. the stimulus bill by the "Apollo Group" of which Van Jones, a publicly avowed communist, was a member. He unilaterally closed out the missle defense systems in Poland and Checkoslovakia leaving them vulnerable to aggression by Russia. He has cleverly bypassed the authority and oversight of Congress in his appointment of czars with great power over the American people. The powers given may be unconstitutional in that they properly belong to Congress. The prime example is the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) with establishing standards and time lines that cannot be met or increase costs greatly for the American people. The EPA is the chosen tool to terminate much industry and manufacturing, and gain Government control over "Energy" in this country. Through Eric Holder, his appointment as Attorney General, he attacks the integrity and moral of CIA personnel by government prosecution. He seeks to weaken the military and its morale in every way possible that he can, all his words to contrary. e.g. his long delay and manifest lack of concern for the request for more troop for the military campaign in Afghanistan, months, and his final denial for the number of soldiers equested:70,000 with 40,000 as the minimal. 30,000 were given.

He has attacked the moral fiber of this country. Soon after taking office as president he cancelled the "Mexico City Policy", a policy whereby the United States would not give money to organizations in foreign countries that sponsored abortion. In his political career he has fought against parental rights and concerns for their children who seek an abortion. He is well aware that the proposed Health Care bill would establish Local Health Care Centers on which planned parenthood would be one and thus become a quasi government institution and so funded. He declared the month of June2009 to be "The Month on Gay pride". He did this in the face of the American people as president of the United States.

There is another important facet of the character and undisclosed agenda of President Obama. He is pro Islam and may rightly be considered a "closet" Islamic Jihadist. Political prudence will prevent a public acknowledgment but his actions cannot be denied. Upon becoming president he prohibited anyone involved in the government from speaking of the "war on terror". He downplayed the threat of Islamic threat, with facts and reality staring everyone in the face worldwide and replaced it with "Domestic" threat. He has moved to give Islamic terrorists the rights of American citizens by having them tried in civil courts under American civil law rather than as military combatants under military law, at great expense to the American people. All Islamic Terrorist attacks on Americans are downplayed or described by him in some other fashion. In all speeches, when the subject of Islam is considered, it is always treated as peaceful. It is not! There are of course good Islamic believers, but religious fundamentalism and aggressive militarism are endemic in the religion itself. Thus, even with most inhumane and unjust violence upon innocent people there is no great and universal outrage of Islam with a demand for repentance. If Christians were to commit such atrocities it would be a completely different story. President Obama is well aware that he can do more damage to this country from within, with the office of president, than he could from the outside. He is right!

It is all important that you clearly understand what you are dealing with. If you seek compromise or common-ground with the administration initiatives you have not grasped the reality of what is going on. You will loose and so will the nation. I will call the administration the "Enemy" and the enemy is very skilled in tactics and deceit. They know that if one tells a lie with all the appearance of all that is good and true, and unhesitating conviction and repeats it over and over with the same said qualities, people will believe it sooner or later. It works and it has worked in past history with great destruction of good.

The country has an enemy within and has achieved great damage and much more is planned. If you have been deceived or conflicted in your thinking, be deceived no longer nor conflicted within. To be a good politician is a good and noble service to the country. Now, it is time to be more, to be a true statesman! You have to stand strong for what is genuinely true and good. The fundamental virtue required is COURAGE! If not in fact, it is very close to the eleventh hour for this country. Stand tall for the good and love of this nation. DO IT!

With respectful sincerity,
Fr. Robert A. Hyman, priest
 
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I think what she means is that US companies seem to spread around the world exploiting whatever they can, and the gov't seems to promote the activity. As I pointed out to Bear, other countries rarely get good news in international affairs and see a lot of bad stuff. It's like disliking a neighbor because of a bad reputation before you get to experience the neighbor face to face. Prejudging them, as it were.

Oh then I guess she's a hypocrite as well...

You know... the prejudging... experiencing a neighbor face to face...rarely getting good news... that stuff...

...and all.
 

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Dude...it was at 10.2%!



You better hope it does not go up.

I love the democratic spin...

"Unemployment has gone up because people are more hopeful!"

Yaaaaay! :roll:
lmao I thought there was something odd there but I was too distracted to figure it out. Thanks.



500K per month? That is a pretty big goal. Any idea where we are going to get them?

Keep your fingers crossed.
Massive efflux of illegals?