Is Obama the worst president ever?

[AnnaG]

I don't want to p*ss on your parade Anna (or anyone else) but these polls about best/worst presidents are absolutely useless. What do you or I actually know about Millard Fillmore or Rutherford Hayes?

Now you know a little more than before because of the polls.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Gopher made the following remark:


"That's the way it is with these delusional right wingers. Not a shred of sense in anything they say but they love to repeat themselves."

about the following quote:

"Any thing Bush did, that was a masterstroke of diplomacy, a superb example of statesmanship. When Obama does the same thing, he is a Nazi, a Communist, a Fascist, a Muslim terrorist etc."

The 'delusional right winger' is none other than SirJosephPorter. (Post #203)

I was only describing it as the Bush acolytes see it, YJ.

 

[AnnaG]

That is the problem. Republicans hate all the Democratic presidents with such visceral hatred that they have difficulty deciding who was the worst president ever. That is why Obama, Clinton, Carter, Kennedy etc. are the worst presidents ever, and Bush, Reagan, Nixon etc. are the best presidents ever. I don't think Republicans grade Democratic presidents as to who was the worst ever (nor do they grade Republican presidents as to who was the best ever).

Saying that one Democrat was the worst ever implies that others were not so bad (e.g. if Obama is the worst ever, that means that Carter or Clinton wasn't so bad). Or saying that one Republican was the best ever implies that others were not so good (e.g. if they claim that Bush was the best ever, that would imply that Reagan, Nixon etc. were not so good). We can't have that now, can we? That would be blasphemy.

Rational people, however, decide on merit rather than on party.

 

[AnnaG]

But Bush wasn't wrong (if obama continued Bush's policies then he will be wrong), he was the best president ever, remember? Just as Obama (and Carter, Clinton etc.) is the worst president ever.

roflmao Lots of spinning, little movement.

 

[AnnaG]

I was only describing it as the Bush acolytes see it, YJ.

Dance, boy. lol
I think you must be a conservative. Forthright, overt cons can't do near as well as you covert, closet types to convince people to join their ranks.
How did that go?
Oh yeah: "Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.” - Hamlet

 

[ironsides]

I was only describing it as the Bush acolytes see it, YJ.

The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.Budgets do not come from the White House.They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For FY 2009, though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

 

[ironsides]

Obama???

http://www.stevebridges.com/obamavideos-promo-jan2010-lg.html

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.Budgets do not come from the White House.They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For FY 2009, though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

Sorry ironsides, that won’t wash. It happened on Bush’s watch, Bush is responsible for it, not the Congress, much as you may wish to pass the buck.

People give the credit or the blame to President, not the Congress. Thus Clinton ran a budget surplus, not the Republican Congress. If Bush was so dead set against the deficit, he has the option of vetoing the budget.

And are you aware that Republicans controlled the Congress for 12 years? How do you account for the fact that Republican Congress and Bush converted 100 billion $ plus Clinton surplus into 550 billion $ plus deficit? Who are you blaming there? Democrats again? Did they perhaps force the Republican Congress and Bush to run the deficit?

Political partisanship is making you blind to the truth. Bush and the Republicans converted 100 billion $ plus surplus into 550 billion $ plus deficit (by giving tax cuts mainly to the rich) and there is no way you can talk you way out of it, no matter how much you squirm, twist and turn.

 

[DaSleeper]

And 9/11 and the war had nothing to do with it......:roll:

You keep repeating the same Bullcrap over and over until you believe it but only leftard sheeple will believe it

 

[AnnaG]

And 9/11 and the war had nothing to do with it......:roll:

You keep repeating the same Bullcrap over and over until you believe it but only leftard sheeple will believe it

It isn't fair when cons bring up the facts like that, Sleepy. It's only valid when gliberals do it.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And 9/11 and the war had nothing to do with it......:roll:

You keep repeating the same Bullcrap over and over until you believe it but only leftard sheeple will believe it

No it didn't. Bush and the Republicans had got rid of all the surplus even before 9/11 struck. Republicans increased spending each and every year they were in power. 9/11 may have exacerbated the problem, but Republicans were running deficit even without 9/11. As to Iraq war, it was purely voluntary on Bush's part, nobody asked him to invade Iraq.

 

[DaSleeper]

As long as you believe what propaganda you spew it's all that matter ain't it......nobody else does...:roll:

Only your poodles and the leftard sheeple who can't see past the tip of their nose cause they all have their heads stuck up Obama's rear end

 

[SirJosephPorter]

As long as you believe what propaganda you spew it's all that matter ain't it......nobody else does...:roll:

Only your poodles and the leftard sheeple who can't see past the tip of their nose cause they all have their heads stuck up Obama's rear end

These are facts, not propaganda. As to nobody else believing it, what is it to me? Anyway, Americans seem to have believed it, in 2006 and 2008. Unless you think the elections were rigged by ACORN and Democrats (and Republicans really won by landslides in 2006 and 2008).

 

[JLM]

As long as you believe what propaganda you spew it's all that matter ain't it......nobody else does...:roll:

Only your poodles and the leftard sheeple who can't see past the tip of their nose cause they all have their heads stuck up Obama's rear end

When are you guys going to reach the conclusion you are flogging a dead horse? :lol::lol:

 

[gopher]

We keep repeating these same old tired threads periodically but since right wingers want to attack Carter, let's set the record straight yet again. Unemployment by pres:


Hoover (R) 12.90%
Ford (R) 7.78%
Reagan (R) 7.51%
Obama (projected until 2016) (D) 6.99%
Harding (R) 6.93%
Carter (D) 6.56%
Bush Sr. (R) 6.32%
JFK (D) 5.98%
Bush Jr. (R) 5.30%
Clinton (D) 5.19%
Nixon (R) 5.01%
Eisenhower (R) 4.91%
Johnson (D) 4.20%
Truman (D) 3.87%
Coolidge (R) 3.30%



Unemployment was higher under Ford. True, the inflation rate was higher under Carter starting in 78 but that was because of the OPEC oil crisis and the Iranian Revolution that caused shortages and a spike in prices. But, as always, it's BLAME CARTER!

 

[gopher]

"Who are you blaming there? Democrats again? "


To Republicans, Democrats are to be blamed for everything.

 

[AnnaG]

We keep repeating these same old tired threads periodically but since right wingers want to attack Carter, let's set the record straight yet again. Unemployment by pres:


Hoover (R) 12.90%
Ford (R) 7.78%
Reagan (R) 7.51%
Obama (projected until 2016) (D) 6.99%
Harding (R) 6.93%
Carter (D) 6.56%
Bush Sr. (R) 6.32%
JFK (D) 5.98%
Bush Jr. (R) 5.30%
Clinton (D) 5.19%
Nixon (R) 5.01%
Eisenhower (R) 4.91%
Johnson (D) 4.20%
Truman (D) 3.87%
Coolidge (R) 3.30%



Unemployment was higher under Ford. True, the inflation rate was higher under Carter starting in 78 but that was because of the OPEC oil crisis and the Iranian Revolution that caused shortages and a spike in prices. But, as always, it's BLAME CARTER!

Yup. Just like when Dems blame Bush for Katrina. He is a windbag but his lungs aren't THAT powerful. I suspect it was a weather condition, myself.If a Dem pres screws up it wasn't his fault, but when a Rep pres screws up, all the world's woes are his fault. You partisans are so funny sometimes.

Anyway, it's premature to accuse the Big O of being the worst and there have been bad Reps and bad Dems. Face it and get used to it, people.

 

[AnnaG]

"Who are you blaming there? Democrats again? "


To Republicans, Democrats are to be blamed for everything.

And to Dems, Reps are to blame for everything. So what's new? lol

 

[DaSleeper]

Anyway, it's premature to accuse the Big O of being the worst and there have been bad Reps and bad Dems. Face it and get used to it, people.

But but but Anna.....It's so much fun after hearing the other side rant for eight year..... and a few koolaid drinking left wingers are still going on about it...The only problem is that we will have only two more years:lol:;-)

 

[ironsides]

No it didn't. Bush and the Republicans had got rid of all the surplus even before 9/11 struck. Republicans increased spending each and every year they were in power. 9/11 may have exacerbated the problem, but Republicans were running deficit even without 9/11. As to Iraq war, it was purely voluntary on Bush's part, nobody asked him to invade Iraq.

Saddam tried to kill his daddy, my god SJP I hope you would also try and avenge your daddy like he did. He is the good son, next to Jeb of course.:roll: