Is Obama already planning his re-election ?

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, it is not as simple as that. The very essence of being American is that no American bowes to royalty. They are amused by them they laugh at them, they pity them, they ridicule them, but NEVER EVER bow to them.

Really, Yukon Jack. And who made that rule, did you make it? I don’t know if Obama bowed to Saudi king, but even if he did, who cares?

CNN did a news feature on this a day or two ago. They showed the clip to passers by. Some said he did bow, others said he didn’t. However, the universal reaction was, so what? Who cares?

The issue has failed to find traction with the public; it is just a talking point for the far right.

So be as complecent as you want to be. Nobody in his right mind would have predicted in April 1977 that a Republican landslide would come in 1980.

For that matter, nobody could have predicted in 2005 (right after second Bush election), that Republicans will be in the sorry state they are in today.

I have said it all along; there is no question of being complacent. It all depends upon the economy. If economy has recovered by 2012 (which is what I hope happens). Obama wins by a landslide. If economy is showing signs of recovery, Obama still has a very good chance of getting reelected.

On the other hand, if his policies are a total failure and we are headed towards a depression, the Republicans win easily, even somebody as ridiculous as Joan of Arc.

 

[ironsides]

You really have no idea how Americans think. Must be from being raised in a strictly controlled environment. (hint)The economy is important, but other things come first. If it was only about him. Surrounds himself with wimps and liberals cheer him on,


Yahoo!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You really have no idea how Americans think. Must be from being raised in a strictly controlled environment. (hint)The economy is important, but other things come first. If it was only about him. Surrounds himself with wimps and liberals cheer him on,


Yahoo!

Not as far as electors are concerned, economy is of paramount importance. If economy is doing well, other issues matter, like they did in 2000 election. Thanks to Clinton, economy was in great shape.

People thought that the prosperity will continue no matter if Bush or Gore was elected. They elected Gore, but Republican controlled Supreme Court handed presidency to their buddy, Bush.

So if economy is chugging along nicely, other issues matter. But in 2008 (and in 2012), economy will be of paramount importance.

But perhaps Republicans should take your advice and plan their campaign in 2012 around issues such as abortion, gay marriage, creationism etc. Then if economy has improved, they will get slaughtered (people will give Obama the credit). If economy has not improved, Obama may still have a chance, if Republicans focus on other, red meat issues.

 

[YukonJack]

"Are you speaking in code? Or maybe speaking in tongues?"

I am simply using the King's/Queen's English to the best of my ability. Not nearly as eloquently as you, but, then who could?

Since I speak several languages fluently, you could say that I speak in tongues you could not recognize, since you are - to the best of my knowledge - limited to knowing only one.

 

[ironsides]

"But perhaps Republicans should take your advice and plan their campaign in 2012 around issues such as abortion, gay marriage, creationism etc. Then if economy has improved, they will get slaughtered (people will give Obama the credit)."

You really think that all the Republicans worry about is "abortion, gay marriage, creationism etc". You would never win one of the major population States with that kind of platform. Winning states like Tennessee, Mississippi etc. just won't do it. What the Republicans have to do is get some new faces.

Republicans have got to get serious this next election time, no " abortion, gay marriage, creationism etc" will not be an issue if they expect to win.

I do not disagree with you about those issues. No need to keep bringing them up, here in Florida as well as most of the U.S. they are just not presidential issues. Right now, it is how the world is looking at us as to the piracy problem.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Are you speaking in code? Or maybe speaking in tongues?"

I am simply using the King's/Queen's English to the best of my ability. Not nearly as eloquently as you, but, then who could?

Since I speak several languages fluently, you could say that I speak in tongues you could not recognize, since you are - to the best of my knowledge - limited to knowing only one.

[FONT=&quot]Yukon[/FONT][FONT=&quot], that entire post of yours was obscure, did not make a whole lot of sense[/FONT]

 

[YukonJack]

"Yukon[FONT=&quot], that entire post of yours was obscure, did not make a whole lot of sense[/FONT]"

Let me sound as stupid as you usually do:

THAT IS YOUR OPINION ONLY!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Yukon[FONT=&quot], that entire post of yours was obscure, did not make a whole lot of sense[/FONT]"

Let me sound as stupid as you usually do:

THAT IS YOUR OPINION ONLY!

Sure it is my opinion, Yukon Jack. My opinion is that the post was entirely gobbledy gook (probably even you couldn't make any sense of it, and you wrote it). That is why I didn’t respond to it.

 

[gopher]

''perhaps Republicans should take your advice and plan their campaign in 2012 around issues such as abortion, gay marriage, creationism ''


Exactly! A Palin-McCain or a Palin-Jindal campaign emphasizing those issues should be a splendid start and lead to a surefire victory for the Dems and the USA!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Not McCain, gopher, McCain is history. He is too old. Palin/Jindal, possibly. But Jindal is a Catholic, and religious right Republican Party base may have a problem with that. But they may not mind him in the VP slot.

 

[JLM]

Not McCain, gopher, McCain is history. He is too old. Palin/Jindal, possibly. But Jindal is a Catholic, and religious right Republican Party base may have a problem with that. But they may not mind him in the VP slot.

I just can't see Palin being any part of the 2012 election, I don't think there is quite enough substance there- maybe it's trivial but I thought her true coloured came out when she spent about $150,000 on a wardrobe for the campaign, or do I have that figure wrong? Whatever it was it was in poor taste during an economic downturn. She's probably just not tuned in enough to the Lower 48, which is a lot worse off financially than oil rich Alaska.

 

[ironsides]

Not McCain, gopher, McCain is history. He is too old. Palin/Jindal, possibly. But Jindal is a Catholic, and religious right Republican Party base may have a problem with that. But they may not mind him in the VP slot.

I would not rule out a Catholic, after all we had Kennedy. We need someone a little more right. Jindal is the best person mentioned so far.

 

[ironsides]

Obama is shaking in his shoes, a feared of dem der pirates. Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group.

washingtonpost.com


I think 3 months is enough. (nothing to do with pirates)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I just can't see Palin being any part of the 2012 election, I don't think there is quite enough substance there

I agree, JLM, but she is extremely popular with the far right Republican base. When McCain selected Palin, it immediately energized the far right base (it proved fatal to McCain’s’ campaign, she turned out to be extremely unpopular with American women, the very constituency she was supposed to attract).

Since the primaries are dominated by the base (base turns out to vote in the primaries, in large numbers), she has very good chance of winning the nomination.

Unfortunately, she will be a major handicap to Republican Party in the general election. If Obama has been able to turn the economy around, he will win by a landslide against Palin. If economy is still in a mess, Palin will convert what should be an easy Republican victory into a close race.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I would not rule out a Catholic, after all we had Kennedy. We need someone a little more right. Jindal is the best person mentioned so far.

Ironsides, Kennedy was a Democrat. Kennedy didn’t have to worry about a far right, Protestant base.

Republican Party has a Fundamentalist, Protestant base, which has fundamental theological differences with Catholics. Many from the religious right do not consider Catholics to be Christians (Catholics are not ‘saved’). So effectively you are asking a devout Protestant base to vote for a non Christian, which is not easy to do.

Romney had the same rap, the base did not like him because he is a Mormon, and the base did not consider him to be a Christian.

So I don’t see a Catholic heading the Republican Party nomination. However, he may be OK in the VP spot, I don’t think the base would mind so much.

 

[ironsides]

I just hope they don't keep bring up the same old arguments again. No Republican candidate who hope to win the country should even mention being anti anything except turning around this country's economic and world problems.

I also don't think that if a Republican won the election that the Senate would change that fast.

I know Kennedy was a democrat, and not a very good President, what he did show was that a Catholic could become President. Every Catholic does not hold the views of the Catholic Church. Unless Obama is a complete disaster, his immediate problem is ending this pirate issue ASAP if not yesterday, the people do have a long memory,

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I also don't think that if a Republican won the election that the Senate would change that fast.

I don’t see Senate turning Republican, even if economy has not recovered. There are many more Republican Senators up for reelection than Democratic Senators. Out of 33 up for election I think 19 or 20 are Republican, almost half the Republican Senators are up for reelection in 2010. Out of 13 or 14 Democratic Senators up for reelection, Republicans have to win 9 or 10 to gain control of the Senate, a nearly impossible task.

If economy has not recovered by 2010, I can see House going Republican, but Senate will be more difficult.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Unless Obama is a complete disaster, his immediate problem is ending this pirate issue ASAP if not yesterday, the people do have a long memory,

Ironsides, just heard the news, the captain of the ship has been rescued by Navy SEALs. Not that people like you will give Obama any credit. But you were ready and quick to heap the blame on Obama.

The philosophy of people like you is, anything goes wrong, fault lies with Obama. Anything goes right; credit goes to somebody else (to a Republican if possible, but if not at least to somebody other than Obama).

 

[ironsides]

Unless Obama is a complete disaster, his immediate problem is ending this pirate issue ASAP if not yesterday, the people do have a long memory,

Ironsides, just heard the news, the captain of the ship has been rescued by Navy SEALs. Not that people like you will give Obama any credit. But you were ready and quick to heap the blame on Obama.

The philosophy of people like you is, anything goes wrong, fault lies with Obama. Anything goes right; credit goes to somebody else (to a Republican if possible, but if not at least to somebody other than Obama).

The Commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said.(it was his butt on the line, not Obama's). It went well of course as expected Obama acknowledged that he ordered it. What would have happened if it went wrong, think Obama would have said anything, and why did it take 5 days. Liberals only take credit when things work out. I never blamed a party only the President for foot dragging and being indecisive.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What would have happened if it went wrong, think Obama would have said anything, and why did it take 5 days

Ironsides, what would have happened if it had gone wrong? People like you would be screaming at the top of their voice, that Obama is responsible, that he was the one who gave the disastrous order to try the rescue.

Now that it went well beyond expectation, people like you, as expected will give credit to anybody but Obama (I assume you haven’t yet found a way to give credit to a Republican). It is all part of being a Obama hater.