Is Lester B. Pearson the most overrated Prime Minister in the history of Canada?

damngrumpy

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McKenzie King was the most over rated and the least stable too. He got his policy from talking
to his dog and his dead mother. As for Pearson, he was a good man a man who knew what in
fact had to be done. If you lived in those times with the feeling of what was happening around
you, you would know that the flag debate was an obsession in the minds of Canadians and it
produced as much tension in Canada as the Medicare Debate has in America.
Pearson was the man most responsible for the UN to take action in some very troubled parts of
the world that might well have seen a less possible outcome like the Middle East in the Suez
Crisis.
The other thing I sometimes have a problem with is people with opinions that are not based on
solid fact, while disrespecting former leaders. Pearson, Dief and others actually did fairly well
with the time and knowledge they had at the time events were happening. Trying to compare the
information world from today into that period of history is like the old apples and oranges thing.
Looking back yest Mackenzie King was in my view nuts, but he was a stable influence in a world
gone mad and Canadians trusted him.
Yes Dief was a vindictive man who sacrificed the Avro Arrow not because it was too expensive or
not worth the time, but because he hated CD Howe the man who kept the construction going.
Dief did have the trust of Canadians in many situations that confronted Canada in a modern world.
Pearson was a bit of a bumbler in some ways true, he was a diplomat more than a politician and
sometimes it showed. Pearson not only had the trust of Canadians, he had the endearment of the
people, and that does not happen that often.
Trudeau brought the constitution home and this was a good thing, its just we won't know the benefits
for some time to come. A constitution defines a country and who we are, its the blue print of a society
Sometimes all is well, but there are those who would use the document for their own ends as there
are people who will use it to further the cause of a group, so be it. I think if we were still dealing with
the British on the Constitution they would have used our birthright to appease their allies at our expense.
Wait until the issue of the North is in high gear. We will be damned glad we are in control of our
constitution.
All of our former leaders served the interests of Canadians at the time and place as the story of Canada
unfolded and unfolds even now. Every action good or not so good, is part of the building blocks this
nation is founded on.
 

JLM

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McKenzie King was the most over rated and the least stable too. He got his policy from talking
to his dog and his dead mother. As for Pearson, he was a good man a man who knew what in
fact had to be done. If you lived in those times with the feeling of what was happening around
you, you would know that the flag debate was an obsession in the minds of Canadians and it
produced as much tension in Canada as the Medicare Debate has in America.
Pearson was the man most responsible for the UN to take action in some very troubled parts of
the world that might well have seen a less possible outcome like the Middle East in the Suez
Crisis.
The other thing I sometimes have a problem with is people with opinions that are not based on
solid fact, while disrespecting former leaders. Pearson, Dief and others actually did fairly well
with the time and knowledge they had at the time events were happening. Trying to compare the
information world from today into that period of history is like the old apples and oranges thing.
Looking back yest Mackenzie King was in my view nuts, but he was a stable influence in a world
gone mad and Canadians trusted him.
Yes Dief was a vindictive man who sacrificed the Avro Arrow not because it was too expensive or
not worth the time, but because he hated CD Howe the man who kept the construction going.
Dief did have the trust of Canadians in many situations that confronted Canada in a modern world.
Pearson was a bit of a bumbler in some ways true, he was a diplomat more than a politician and
sometimes it showed. Pearson not only had the trust of Canadians, he had the endearment of the
people, and that does not happen that often.
Trudeau brought the constitution home and this was a good thing, its just we won't know the benefits
for some time to come. A constitution defines a country and who we are, its the blue print of a society
Sometimes all is well, but there are those who would use the document for their own ends as there
are people who will use it to further the cause of a group, so be it. I think if we were still dealing with
the British on the Constitution they would have used our birthright to appease their allies at our expense.
Wait until the issue of the North is in high gear. We will be damned glad we are in control of our
constitution.
All of our former leaders served the interests of Canadians at the time and place as the story of Canada
unfolded and unfolds even now. Every action good or not so good, is part of the building blocks this
nation is founded on.

I was pretty young when old Louis was at the helm, but he was probably as stable as any of them- don't remember Canada being involved in any scandals at that time- Canada was probably stabler then than at any time since.
 

CDNBear

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Where, anywhere, is it documented that Pierre Trudeau was corrupt.
He wasn't corrupt, just a socialist hack, with a penchant for tyranny and fascism.

Trudeau stood up to the separatists.
In so doing, gave cops in Nanimo the right to detain Labour leaders.

Mulroney on the other hand, added forty or fifty billion to the country's debt every year he was in office.
You know, it never ceases to amaze me, though I proved beyond a shadow of doubt (In my opinion) the first time you said this, that PET left Ottawa with a largess of newly created levels of bureaucracy, never before seen. Opened the immigration flood gates to all manner of scumbag and welfare case. That forced the next Gov't to come up with the funding to cover said acts. And you can't for a second concede that he contributed to that debt, by one red cent.

Amazing, absolutely amazing.

He also accepted large sums of money in brown paper bags.
The man was definitely a scum bag.

Lester Pearson won the Nobel Peace Prize. and was applauded all over ther world.
As he should have been.

You should read Michael Coren's book on the Six Day War........
Unless it can be gleaned from the net and simplified with popups for most folk. Israel's detractors have no need of such nuisance literature Colpy.
 

darkbeaver

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Begin might at some time been sincere to his own mother but maybe you should ask some of the casualties on the USS Cole just how sincere Begin was. Mostly he was a liar.

Before they do I will. Are you now or have you ever been an anti semite?
 

Risus

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What upsets most people about Trudeau is the gap between what he could have done and what he actually did. Trudeau brought in the first majority government in years. He had a mandate to do anything he wanted but other than bringing home the constitution, what did he do?
And bringing home the constitution only opened a can of worms and a motherlode for the lawyers...
 

JLM

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What upsets most people about Trudeau is the gap between what he could have done and what he actually did. Trudeau brought in the first majority government in years. He had a mandate to do anything he wanted but other than bringing home the constitution, what did he do?

Mostly ran us into the glue to the tune of about 3/4 trillion$. (more or less)
 

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And bringing home the constitution only opened a can of worms and a motherlode for the lawyers...

Trudeau did much more than bring the constitution home, he also entrenched a new constitutional document - you might have heard of it - The Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This inclusion of civil and broad individual rights - ranging from free speech, fair trail and right to associate - was a ginormously ambitious move from a politician. The practical helpfulness of said Charter can not be understated, as innumerable good and progression has come from it.

Section Seven of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This mere section is so broad, yet so useful for the liberty and health of Canadian culture and democracy. This document took away Supremacy from Parliament, and gave it to the independence judiciary, to make sure our laws don't violate certain fundamental rights.

Thanks to that, we can sue the government if - say, for example - you got arrested and detained for three weeks without being informed why, or without a trial. Our Charter realistically protects us, and we can thank Trudeau for that.

If you haven't read that Charter, you probably should.


CDNBear said:
He wasn't corrupt, just a socialist hack, with a penchant for tyranny and fascism.
Odd, considering he introduced a document that conservatives and anti-authoritarians would like. There's no denying that the Charter of Rights seriously improved the right s of civilians against the over-stepping and abuse of government.

Notwithstanding the FLQ crisis, of course. That would never happen again... because of the Charter and just genuinely smarter people nowadays.
 
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No!
I try to judge deeds rather than nationality.


But you continually attribute Canada's debt and deficit issues to Mulroney, rather than Trudeau, with whom they originated and under whom they were the largest percents of our GDP, so how can we take this claim seriously? I'm not saying Lyin' Brian was a great PM either but people want to sadle him with Trudeau's issues and don't want to give him credit where it is due (i.e. the GST and FTAs that allowed us to grow out of our deficits).
 

#juan

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But you continually attribute Canada's debt and deficit issues to Mulroney, rather than Trudeau, with whom they originated and under whom they were the largest percents of our GDP, so how can we take this claim seriously? I'm not saying Lyin' Brian was a great PM either but people want to sadle him with Trudeau's issues and don't want to give him credit where it is due (i.e. the GST and FTAs that allowed us to grow out of our deficits).

Wulfie bulroney was in power for 9 years. Every single year he was in power he added forty billion so to our debt. No Liberal
ever held a gun to his head and forced him to do that. Chretien took two or three years to balance the books and actually paid down some of the debt. Mulroney could have done the same thing but he didn't.
 

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Mulroney had a good finance minister, as did Chretien.

Campbell was pretty useless, clueless, and stupid, as was Turner. Fortunately, neither lasted long.
 

#juan

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Over-rated? Yes.

But the position of most over-rated surely is shared by those two long-serving Liberals: William Lyon Mackenzie King and Pierre Elliot Trudeau.

Out of curiosity, who were the best Conservative Prime Ministers in the last forty or fifty years?
 

damngrumpy

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I am not a Liberal by any means but I must agree Lester was a great Canadian.
He did introduce the flag as we know it and rightfully so. He did introduce the
Health care as we know it and he adopted the NDP plan, Most do not realize
he did it to secure the support of the New Democrats during some very lean
times for the two major parties. I have no problem with that. Pearson was in
fact best known for introducing United Nations Peace keeping to the world as a
whole. It started in the Middle East when he was a UN Ambassador.
There have been a number of really good Prime Ministers in our time some were
Tories but some were Liberals who were distinguished in their own right.
As unlikely as it sounds, Pearson instilled confidence in Canadians during some
very turbulent times and he should be remembered favorably with some flaws
like all the rest.
 

Cannuck

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Nobel lauriate, the Canada pension plan, student loans, universal healthcare, his ground breaking work with the UN(despite my feelings on the UN), his military career in the medical corp, in the Flying corp.

What's not to idolize?

Being a Nobel lauriate, the Canada pension plan, student loans, universal healthcare, his ground breaking work with the UN for starters.