Is labour unions still a good investment for the working class?

JLM

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Buy, sell and stockpile gold and silver. It will always have value.

I'm not too sure about what the future holds for gold- it's value is plummeting and for practical purposes it has to be one of the most useless metals. As the world finds it harder and harder to feed itself, the value of jewelry will also plummet.
 

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Buy, sell and stockpile gold and silver. It will always have value.

The Roman Catholic church had a gold and silver based currency.

We are a resource based currency. And resources are found on land.
so Land.


Buy and stockpile land.
Invest in resources extraction machinery manufacturing.
 
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petros

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RCC still has gold, silver, land, schools and Papal aka PayPal in the ethereal.

People are resources.

I have land.
 

Angstrom

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People are resources.

I have land.

Not here in America anymore.
China and India are the slave human resource economy currency.

America owns all the oil of this world.
 
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You guys are looking at this as if it's in a vacuum.
You're all assuming all the labour laws we enjoy today would have been legislated even if Unions had not organized members to fight for them.

We don't need unions today because unions got us all the labour laws we have today.
Labour laws would disappear if unions were to fall off the face of the earth
 

JLM

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Labour laws would disappear if unions were to fall off the face of the earth

As long as you make sure you're employer is making money, you don't need a Union!

And if he's not making money no union in the world is going to help you. Just ask Target employees! :)
 

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As long as you make sure you're employer is making money, you don't need a Union!

And if he's not making money no union in the world is going to help you. Just ask Target employees! :)

Would help your point if target employees were Unionized JLM


I'm not sure making millions of cash really helps employees as much as you believe.

Maybe when you look at a private owned company, yes.

But share holder companies, the dynamic works differently.

In a share holder business enviroment, you need someone looking after your best intrests, just like a lawyer does in court.
 

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But share holder companies, the dynamic works differently.

In a share holder business enviroment, you need someone looking after your best intrests, just like a lawyer does in court.

What happens to a company when the share holders quit making money?
 

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As long as you make sure you're employer is making money, you don't need a Union!

And if he's not making money no union in the world is going to help you. Just ask Target employees! :)
you say that because you have always worked under a union that has protected your azz...it is baloney JLM, pure baloney, if you think people share profits out of the goodness of their heart because you work hard you need to rethink your stance.

What happens to a company when the share holders quit making money?
it folds

what happens to the little guy when the big guy can completely control him...he is screwed that's what happens to him

then he moves on and screws someone else that is more desperate than the first

I am not pro union but I sure as hell am not pro big profit for the big d*cks either
 

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you say that because you have always worked under a union that has protected your azz...it is baloney JLM, pure baloney, if you think people share profits out of the goodness of their heart because you work hard you need to rethink your stance.


it folds

what happens to the little guy when the big guy can completely control him...he is screwed that's what happens to him

then he moves on and screws someone else that is more desperate than the first

I am not pro union but I sure as hell am not pro big profit for the big d*cks either

I suppose the fairest way is for the size of the profit to be commensurate with the size of the risk. Actually the union I worked under never did protect my A$$, but the drones and parasites that held the rest of us back. The union just tried to make sure we all got the same rate regardless of the production. I was very lucky, I retired three years before our department got shut down and privatized. If the parasites had been sent packing years earlier I don't think that would have happened.
 
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Sal

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I suppose the fairest way is for the size of the profit to commensurate with the size of the risk. Actually the union I worked under never did protect my A$$, but the drones and parasites that held the rest of us back. The union just tried to make sure we all got the same rate regardless of the production. I was very lucky, I retired three years before our department got shut down and privatized. If the parasites had been sent packing years earlier I don't think that would have happened.
yeah that's how they look at it, but risk is relative...never forget that piece. I can risk 2 billion but if I have 50 billion the risk is only on paper and to the blind. If I make 30 thousand and work my guts out and feed a family of three who has the most to lose?

you were very lucky JLM and it would be good to remember that...I work under a union and there are huge draw backs BUT I get paid a fair wage that I would not be paid if it were not for them...do they protect the less than average I.Q worker who doesn't have the sense to know just how good he has it for someone with a 90 IQ pushing a broom and f*cking the dog, yeah they do protect them and it is irritating, but I also get paid a liveable wage for doing a job that in the real world isn't valued by the high end immoral dead beats that would take the bread out of a kid's mouth.

It's about balance JLM, and you've likely got one f*ck of a good pension so don't screw or put down those who are now where you once were.
 

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In my line of work the dog fu€kers that are protected by the union don't have permanent year round employment.

So I don't know how not working hard and not being professional will be beneficial to you.
 

JLM

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yeah that's how they look at it, but risk is relative...never forget that piece. I can risk 2 billion but if I have 50 billion the risk is only on paper and to the blind. If I make 30 thousand and work my guts out and feed a family of three who has the most to lose?

you were very lucky JLM and it would be good to remember that...I work under a union and there are huge draw backs BUT I get paid a fair wage that I would not be paid if it were not for them...do they protect the less than average I.Q worker who doesn't have the sense to know just how good he has it for someone with a 90 IQ pushing a broom and f*cking the dog, yeah they do protect them and it is irritating, but I also get paid a liveable wage for doing a job that in the real world isn't valued by the high end immoral dead beats that would take the bread out of a kid's mouth.

It's about balance JLM, and you've likely got one f*ck of a good pension so don't screw or put down those who are now where you once were.

Don't get me wrong, Sal, there's lots of real pr!cks in charge of companies who are only interested in the "bottom line". I'm not sure what constitutes "a f*ck of a good pension"- mine for 2014 was just over $32,100 gross- w/o Canada Pension, O.A.P. and a couple of RRIFs we'd be struggling (by today's standards) but regardless we are much better off than the previous generation so I'm sure not complaining, but then I'm not buying any booze or tobacco either, but that's O.K. as it is probably a healthy choice. As far as Unions go, Sal, I think they are a necessity especially in the role of watch dog for safety issues.