Is It Time For A Referemdum On The Monarchy?

[dumpthemonarchy]

Doesn't matter if there is a referendum or not. It would be far from legally binding. The constitution has a completely different amendment formula for this that'd be difficult or damn near impossible to get through for this type of change.

The tourists wind up paying us back for the expenses several times over.

But politicians would pay a steep price for ignoring a referendum, it's called democracy, and the monarchy ain't a democracy. Our leaders and those who think they are leaders seem to like the monarchy a little too much. Why? Because many of them just don't like democracy and merit.

There was the referendum with the Charlottetown Accord, the no side killed it in 1992. So it can happen and be legallt binding.

 

[gerryh]

Would a referendum shut you the fu ck up? If so, then I say let's go for it, and when your side loses, we don't hear another fu cking word from you for the next 100 years or so.

 

[JLM]

Why the obsession with the Royal Family, the population of which is a couple of dozen tops and they don't even live in the country? Let's get rid of some real threats and whackos that are amongst our midst.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Good, another person agrees on a ref.

Because it's dated, useless. Politics, like everything else needs improvement and greater democractisation over time as things change.

 

[gerryh]

Good, another person agrees on a ref.

You didn't answer the question, dummy. When your side loses, will you then shut the fu ck up about it?

 

[JLM]

What we really need, Dumpy, is a referendum on your status, you might find you're "persona non grata". :lol::lol::lol:

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Some people should try to get some manners, the mods are lazy here. Leaving a space between letters shows how crass and crude some people are.

No, because the HST might come back to BC in 10-15 years. Wise up. the realpolitic here is that once the monarchy is gone, it's gone forever. It's days are numbered, referendum or not. The future is more democracy and nothing can stop that. If would help if they went out gracefully and with some class. Had a good long run, take a hint.

 

[gerryh]

Some people should try to get some manners, the mods are lazy here. Leaving a space between letters shows how crass and crude some people are.

No, because the HST might come back to BC in 10-15 years. Wise up. the realpolitic here is that once the monarchy is gone, it's gone forever. It's days are numbered, referendum or not. The future is more democracy and nothing can stop that. If would help if they went out gracefully and with some class. Had a good long run, take a hint.

I'm talking about the Monarchy dummy. If a referendum was held, and the majority of Canadians wanted our Constitutional Monarchy to remain, would you shut the fu ck up about getting rid of the monarchy? It's a very simple question that requires a very simple yes or no.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

dumpy, what is your issue with the monarchy?? What is it doing to spoil your lifestyle ?? The monarchy is learning that its role is changing ......and that it has to pay its own way as opposed to what has been the case for so long.

Why would you want to tear down one of the links to UK history that we still have and that makes up our own history.?? As I said before........the US would love to have those ties. That is why they have such an extreme hero creating culture and call certain privileged families "american " royalty.

Once broken , it cannot be fixed. The damage done would be subtle , and obvious.

Don't we as a world people have enough problems without CREATING more?? IMHO.....it is a non issue.

 

[Nuggler]

I'm talking about the Monarchy dummy. If a referendum was held, and the majority of Canadians wanted our Constitutional Monarchy to remain, would you shut the fu ck up about getting rid of the monarchy? It's a very simple question that requires a very simple yes or no.

NO.............................see below


Yabut, Gerry: If the majority of Canadians wanted it, and Harpo didn't, it wouldn't happen. And Harpo enjoys kissing ass, US, Britain, Israel, fukn Congo, probably, so it's a moot point.

Let's talk about the rabbits.

PS..........but IF the UK did dumpem, and spread the wealth around..........well, sheeeit, no more poverty in the UK...................Hell, I connect with the Super Duper Ball Extremo Lotty Dotty; no more poverty in this little burg either.

I have a problem with monarchy. It's a fundamental part of our political system and is representative of who we supposedly are as a nation. That does not leave me indifferent.

For my part, monarchy alone is enough to keep my heart away from Canada as a whole and closer to Quebec. How can I possibly identify to a nation which has as its core value a system which is fundamentally sexist and non secular? British monarchy is based on the principle of male preference cognatic primogeniture. In other words, males are valued as better than females to act as Head of State. If that's not sexist I wonder what it is.

Our Head of State is by default the Supreme Governor of the Church of England which automatically renders any attempt to call Canada secular ridiculous at best.

So yeah I've got issues with monarchy. As much as I respect Canada, I unfortunately can't truly identify to it so long as it holds on to a system that insults my intelligence.

You do have issues. Just stay on the meds, don't go out in bright sunlight. It'll be ok.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

dumpy, what is your issue with the monarchy?? What is it doing to spoil your lifestyle ?? The monarchy is learning that its role is changing ......and that it has to pay its own way as opposed to what has been the case for so long.

Why would you want to tear down one of the links to UK history that we still have and that makes up our own history.?? As I said before........the US would love to have those ties. That is why they have such an extreme hero creating culture and call certain privileged families "american " royalty.

Once broken , it cannot be fixed. The damage done would be subtle , and obvious.

Don't we as a world people have enough problems without CREATING more?? IMHO.....it is a non issue.

It's could spoil my lifestyle in that BC might get the Commomwealth Games and we'll have to spend $2-3 billion bucks on a fourth rare sporting event. There's the money, doesn't that worry anyone?

The USA in no way wants ties to the monarchy, they fought a revolutionary war against King George if you recall.

Dumping the monarchy would help modernise our politics. The PM sure doesn't need any crown abstractions to govern, he gets his power from the people most of us understand that. Although now I'll hear from naysayers who will drone on otherwise. Better govt is simpler govt.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

It's could spoil my lifestyle in that BC might get the Commomwealth Games and we'll have to spend $2-3 billion bucks on a fourth rare sporting event. There's the money, doesn't that worry anyone?

The USA in no way wants ties to the monarchy, they fought a revolutionary war against King George if you recall.

Dumping the monarchy would help modernise our politics. The PM sure doesn't need any crown abstractions to govern, he gets his power from the people most of us understand that. Although now I'll hear from naysayers who will drone on otherwise. Better govt is simpler govt.

Isn't that a lot of "coulds", Mights, and maybes. ??

Our political system can be modernized with such a radical move. Just because Harper is such as azz kisser , does not mean all leaders follow the same behavior. So much of it is just symbolic anyhow. Every nation needs a degree of symbolism and "tradition" to define it.

iMHO.........we just need to keep it in perspective. Plus they serve as a bit of diversion in a messy, mixed up world that seems to go from crisis to crisis. Don't think their "role" is all that easy in modern times. They are so traditional( and anal ) for the most part ...and that has brought them into conflict with modern societies.

let's do a what if:.........what if we were to get rid of the monarchy??? How would you suggest we go about it and still handle it with tact, dignity and a degree of decorum??

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Isn't that a lot of "coulds", Mights, and maybes. ??

Our political system can be modernized with such a radical move. Just because Harper is such as azz kisser , does not mean all leaders follow the same behavior. So much of it is just symbolic anyhow. Every nation needs a degree of symbolism and "tradition" to define it.

iMHO.........we just need to keep it in perspective. Plus they serve as a bit of diversion in a messy, mixed up world that seems to go from crisis to crisis. Don't think their "role" is all that easy in modern times. They are so traditional( and anal ) for the most part ...and that has brought them into conflict with modern societies.

let's do a what if:.........what if we were to get rid of the monarchy??? How would you suggest we go about it and still handle it with tact, dignity and a degree of decorum??

The CW Games are real, they occur every four years, someone has to "win" them. We might in BC. England had the empire, let them have them and pay for them.

Dumping the monarchy is not that radical. We don't need the crown deal for our govts or the economy. The royal family does nothing, they do dance at rodeos though. They are a marketing gimmick now, we don't need them.

They are no longer traditional like I mentioned at the start, William's parents did not pick his wife, like they would have in the old days. You should visit Asia where they still do that. And for that matter, sometimes like Asians do in Canada.

 

[TenPenny]

The CW Games are real, they occur every four years, someone has to "win" them. We might in BC. England had the empire, let them have them and pay for them.

Dumping the monarchy is not that radical. We don't need the crown deal for our govts or the economy. The royal family does nothing, they do dance at rodeos though. They are a marketing gimmick now, we don't need them.

They are no longer traditional like I mentioned at the start, William's parents did not pick his wife, like they would have in the old days. You should visit Asia where they still do that. And for that matter, sometimes like Asians do in Canada.

The Commonwealth Games aren't directly connected to the monarchy any more, so your logic dies a firey death.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The Commonwealth Games aren't directly connected to the monarchy any more, so your logic dies a firey death.

Perhaps so, but it would give timid bureaucrats who run our sports organisations an opportunity to give the CW Games a miss. All govt depts are linked so crown communications would dwindle.

The Pan-Am Games are pre-Olympic qualifying games, I have heard, I don't think the CW Games are. Those who want to help bury the empire, and the CW Games used to be called the Empire Games, dumping the monarchy will help.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Perhaps so, but it would give timid bureaucrats who run our sports organisations an opportunity to give the CW Games a miss. All govt depts are linked so crown communications would dwindle.

The Pan-Am Games are pre-Olympic qualifying games, I have heard, I don't think the CW Games are. Those who want to help bury the empire, and the CW Games used to be called the Empire Games, dumping the monarchy will help.

that is still a lot of maybes, coulds and other vague suppositions.

Personally........I don't really care one way or another. IF I felt they were truly detrimental in factucal ,, visible and verifiable ways... I probably would want to go seperate ways from them. I don't worship them , or consider them on some higher elevation from people in general. they are who they are via birth and have titles that are symbolic and not earned in any way.

Mere figureheads ........who contribute behaviors to tabloid material.

At the moment.......there are far too many more important and critical issues to concern ourselves with.

 

[s_lone]

You do have issues. Just stay on the meds, don't go out in bright sunlight. It'll be ok.

I'm not on medication and have no need for them. How about you?

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Here's an answer to those who actually care to defend their opinion without swearing and insulting one's intelligence.

The fact is that we could actually have the exact same system with the GG as the true Head of State without all the symbolic pomp associated to British monarchy. Things would run exactly the same way they do now, but there wouldn't be any foreign monarch.

I understand that changing the rules of the system would be complex, that there are more pressing issues to tackle and that is a fair and rational argument in favour of the status quo. But that doesn't make constitutional monarchy right for Canada. It just makes it tolerable until the time is right to modernize the system.

There are still many Canadians who truly like monarchy and my view they need to explain why they support a non secular and sexist system.

 

[WLDB]

But politicians would pay a steep price for ignoring a referendum, it's called democracy, and the monarchy ain't a democracy. Our leaders and those who think they are leaders seem to like the monarchy a little too much. Why? Because many of them just don't like democracy and merit.

There was the referendum with the Charlottetown Accord, the no side killed it in 1992. So it can happen and be legallt binding.

Lets say a referendum passes but the politicians ignore it, which they would and could do. Voter turnout is extremely low so who's going to punish them? And better yet, who is going to replace them? None of the major parties have this as a part of their platforms or in their party's manifesto.

If they agree and go ahead they have to open up the constitution which opens a big bag of worms for all kinds of people who will want to have changes made. Then all the provincial legislatures have to get on board as well. That wont happen for something as trivial as this.

We have far more important problems to deal with now that will probably keep us busy for a good 10 years. This is something you should bring up when their is economic stability, preferably prosperity and there's really nothing more important to do. Having the monarchy is not having a detrimental effect on the country right now. Its just semantics you're arguing about. We have a parliamentary democracy in practice guaranteed by the constitution. The monarchy will never gain any semblance of power here ever again.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Lets say a referendum passes but the politicians ignore it, which they would and could do. Voter turnout is extremely low so who's going to punish them? And better yet, who is going to replace them? None of the major parties have this as a part of their platforms or in their party's manifesto.

If they agree and go ahead they have to open up the constitution which opens a big bag of worms for all kinds of people who will want to have changes made. Then all the provincial legislatures have to get on board as well. That wont happen for something as trivial as this.

We have far more important problems to deal with now that will probably keep us busy for a good 10 years. This is something you should bring up when their is economic stability, preferably prosperity and there's really nothing more important to do. Having the monarchy is not having a detrimental effect on the country right now. Its just semantics you're arguing about. We have a parliamentary democracy in practice guaranteed by the constitution. The monarchy will never gain any semblance of power here ever again.

People might push for a referendum if Harper keeps pushing his British agenda of putting the word royal in front of air force, etc. It would be a s start if the republican movement pushed to be rid of oaths to the queen that MPs and the military take. They ought to take an oath to Canada and Canadians, since it is us who pay their bills and flights as they flit across the country like Mckay does.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yes! Finally.

No. I strongly empathize with a lot of your concerns about the monarchy, but really, considering the scope and scale of other issues that are facing this country, or any other monarchy, the issue of monarchy itself seems pretty trivial to me, and abolishing it would contribute exactly nothing to solving those issues. It's not really very important.