Is it necessary for cops to use lethal force against a guy with a knife?
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Where's the tee? No matter.... I see you as the bottoms up sort anyhow....
Amazing how that represents you to a tee.
Was that your sister-wife that was present when you came a-knockin' with Watch Tower?
You might want to withold that info whilst attending the next Edlers picnic and BBQ.
All three of them are sisters, big fella...
doesn't bovver me none...
Only when he approached the cops would the threat be present. Want me to jump through the hoops you set up all you want, I'm not playing by your rules, because your game is twisted.
Alone on a bus, not approaching officers, he wasn't an imminent threat to them.
I'd go one step further, if everyone just walked away, he'd give up and go home, and they could come back in the morning for their streetcar! -
Yup. All they'd have to do is send one cop for the coffee n donuts and leave a couple there and all wait till the kid got bored and came out.
GREAT Article. I'm still a fan of police carrying and using MACE. I've used pepper spray ( civilian strength). guns don't scare psychos.
thanks DS.
Your hoops, not mine... You just don't like the question as it deflates your position
Your entire line here is that he was no threat because no was on the bus at the time - remember?
I am simply asking IF you expect a cop to arrest him and IF that person does attempt an arrest, he/she will face a threat by this guy holding a knife.
Pretty clear that whoever and whenever they decide to do this will now be in a position where they are in some danger via proximity to a dude with a knife.
So - assuming that the above was going to happen - it would appear that your assessment of non-threat is a temporary situation until such time that someone goes into arrest him
I wouldn't get too cheeky with Karrie, she'll ban you and I wouldn't blame her one bit! -
If so the cops would have been justified in using lethal force. I imagine if the kid did have a gun the cops would have been more than happy to release that info right away. It hasn't happened yet. If he had a gun it wouldnt have just disappeared after he died.
Does anyone here remember what the topic was about? Remember the eighteen year old boy who was shot....shot at nine times and killed.......presumably by gunshot wounds. I still have no idea why the police officer chose to shoot rather than wait. Does that officer know why he shot? The incident was a mess from start to finish.
Shots Fired in Toronto - first on scene ' Sammy Yatim Murdered by Toronto Police ' - YouTube
TORONTO - A new YouTube video captures the aftermath of the Sammy Yatim shooting, including a slew of emergency responders trampling through the spot where a Toronto cop fired nine shots into the streetcar, killing the 18-year-old.
It’s unclear exactly how much time passed before the two bystanders began filming the video while standing just steps from the TTC vehicle, but an officer can clearly be heard performing CPR on the teen inside the streetcar as it was parked on Dundas St. W. near Bathurst St. early Saturday.
“1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,” the cop is heard counting out as he presumably administers chest compressions.
The two men recording the video narrate what they are seeing as it unfolds.
“They’re pumping his chest,” one of the men says.
Several other dramatic videos were posted on YouTube immediately after the deadly shooting, which occurred around 12:15 a.m., and led to much public outrage.
Those videos showed cops surrounding the streetcar, ordering Yatim to drop the knife, then one officer opens fire. It was the rapid escalation of the incident that many people found troubling.
Even Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair acknowledged Monday that the public “had every right to be concerned.”
This latest video is also troubling, but for different reasons.
The footage shows numerous cops, firefighters and paramedics walking through and standing in the crime scene.
The narrators’ camera pans across the scene, zooming in on the many empty shells left strewn about after the shooting, and the ping of a brass casing can be heard bouncing around on the road as a male officer walks through the area where his colleague was standing when he fired on Yatim.
“Did you hear that?” one man asks the other. “He just kicked the s--t out of it!”
The contamination of the scene goes from bad to worse as emergency responders and civilians wander freely through the area even while cops string yellow police tape to protect the scene.
Nearly two minutes into the footage, a female officer steps on an empty casing. She then kicks her foot in the air as if to flick something off the sole of her boot.
The camera then zooms in on the feet of a man in civilian clothing, carrying a notepad, as he walks through the spot where the shots were fired from.
He stands less than a metre away, inside the crime scene tape, as two officers begin placing evidence markers over the empty shell casings.
The camera then zooms in on the doorway of the streetcar, showing Yatim’s lifeless legs from the knees down.
As the camera pulls back, the man with the notepad can be seen standing on the street next to the evidence markers. He lifts his right foot and brushes the sole of his shoe off with his right hand.
Several firefighters then walk through the scene to get to the streetcar.
Finally, nearly four minutes into the video, cops begin asking people to “move back.”
An ambulance arrives moments later.
Paramedics drop the gurney and their bags outside the door of the streetcar, right on top of the area where the shell casings are located.
Yatim is removed from the streetcar on a backboard, loaded onto the gurney and rolled away.
Soon after the ambulance drives off, leaving behind a potential crime that at the very least would have been distorted by the time the Ontario Special Investigations Unit arrived to begin gathering evidence.
Sammy Yatim's final moments on shocking new video | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
TORONTO - A new YouTube video captures the aftermath of the Sammy Yatim shooting, including a slew of emergency responders trampling through the spot where a Toronto cop fired nine shots into the streetcar, killing the 18-year-old.
It’s unclear exactly how much time passed before the two bystanders began filming the video while standing just steps from the TTC vehicle, but an officer can clearly be heard performing CPR on the teen inside the streetcar as it was parked on Dundas St. W. near Bathurst St. early Saturday.
“1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,” the cop is heard counting out as he presumably administers chest compressions.
The two men recording the video narrate what they are seeing as it unfolds.
“They’re pumping his chest,” one of the men says.
Several other dramatic videos were posted on YouTube immediately after the deadly shooting, which occurred around 12:15 a.m., and led to much public outrage.
Those videos showed cops surrounding the streetcar, ordering Yatim to drop the knife, then one officer opens fire. It was the rapid escalation of the incident that many people found troubling.
Even Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair acknowledged Monday that the public “had every right to be concerned.”
This latest video is also troubling, but for different reasons.
The footage shows numerous cops, firefighters and paramedics walking through and standing in the crime scene.
The narrators’ camera pans across the scene, zooming in on the many empty shells left strewn about after the shooting, and the ping of a brass casing can be heard bouncing around on the road as a male officer walks through the area where his colleague was standing when he fired on Yatim.
“Did you hear that?” one man asks the other. “He just kicked the s--t out of it!”
The contamination of the scene goes from bad to worse as emergency responders and civilians wander freely through the area even while cops string yellow police tape to protect the scene.
Nearly two minutes into the footage, a female officer steps on an empty casing. She then kicks her foot in the air as if to flick something off the sole of her boot.
The camera then zooms in on the feet of a man in civilian clothing, carrying a notepad, as he walks through the spot where the shots were fired from.
He stands less than a metre away, inside the crime scene tape, as two officers begin placing evidence markers over the empty shell casings.
The camera then zooms in on the doorway of the streetcar, showing Yatim’s lifeless legs from the knees down.
As the camera pulls back, the man with the notepad can be seen standing on the street next to the evidence markers. He lifts his right foot and brushes the sole of his shoe off with his right hand.
Several firefighters then walk through the scene to get to the streetcar.
Finally, nearly four minutes into the video, cops begin asking people to “move back.”
An ambulance arrives moments later.
Paramedics drop the gurney and their bags outside the door of the streetcar, right on top of the area where the shell casings are located.
Yatim is removed from the streetcar on a backboard, loaded onto the gurney and rolled away.
Soon after the ambulance drives off, leaving behind a potential crime that at the very least would have been distorted by the time the Ontario Special Investigations Unit arrived to begin gathering evidence.
Sammy Yatim's final moments on shocking new video | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
I know that, but I wasn't sure that he did.-
Exactly, but there's always those who will defend wayward cops and hijack the thread! -