Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?

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Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry
About 279,000 barrels a day of fuel won’t be needed this year
China adds a London-sized electric bus fleet every five weeks
China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
By Jeremy Hodges
April‎ ‎23‎, ‎2018
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry
We have had electric buses in Vancouver since the 1950’s , what took them so long ?
 

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I don't disagree, however, until a functioning prototype is tabled, nothing will have changed in that realm

Samsung phones are already using coal sourced graphene batteries.

We have had electric buses in Vancouver since the 1950’s , what took them so long ?

A roll of foil tossed over the wires makes for a spectacular light show.
 

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Ford cutting the sedan in favor of the SUV. It makes sense. The sedan market is where Ford struggles so they can keep their truck division which is their bread and butter and get out of the sector where they are getting hammered.
 

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Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry
About 279,000 barrels a day of fuel won’t be needed this year
China adds a London-sized electric bus fleet every five weeks
China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
By Jeremy Hodges
April‎ ‎23‎, ‎2018
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry


Oh the HORROR of complicated economics! China is a MAJOR producer of lithium so it stands to reason they would exploit it s much as possible! Especially as they would otherwise have to purchase oil at world markets and that would be COSTLY for them! Its all
about currency manipulation and balance of trade deals!

AS long as China sells a lot of stuff to the world and buys very little they can keep their economy rolling! Remember- they MUST buy massive shipments of food for their population- no matter the price- or starvation will result!

China has a massive problem- they have a tiger by the tail and do not know how to let go! Their population has become adjusted to and are demanding rising living conditions- govt expects a regular 8-10 percent expansion of productivity to keep things running smoothly- and the world economy does not have room for that kind of expansion! If things go badly wrong in China economically there may be another revolution! Certainly bad economic results in China will result in a huge erosion of the rule of law!

One has only to think of the "melamine" scandal of some years back in which Chinese milk producers added the chemical melamine to milk to raise profits and killed off thousands of people- mostly babies- who drank the tainted milk!

One may also have a look at the long list of Chinese products that have been exported west only to be discovered to be contaminated in various ways - metal products with lead, toxic paints, chemicals in food, etc!

TVO played a nice documentary on how Tilapia fish and Shrimp are farmed in China- with large ponds stocked with FOOD right next to farm fields with locals praying huge volumes of fungicide and insecticide on fields - with the water in fish ponds clearly being heavily washed with over spray!

China is POOR and China will easily slip back into 19th century Imperial style chaos if govt does not keep a very tight grip!

So there IS SOME LOGIC in China having a large fleet of electric buses- it is better for China to have electric buses than to have NO buses- happily we Cdns DO HAVE CHOICES!

What people like Hoid are IGNORING IS THAT DO NOT CHOOSE TO MAKE LIE-BERALS RICH WHILE WE STARVE!
 

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Ford cutting the sedan in favor of the SUV. It makes sense. The sedan market is where Ford struggles so they can keep their truck division which is their bread and butter and get out of the sector where they are getting hammered.
My last Ford was a 1989 Taurus. I have never bought another Ford and I never will.

Mazda-->Acura-->Subaru.
 

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My last Ford was a 1989 Taurus. I have never bought another Ford and I never will.

Mazda-->Acura-->Subaru.

In the past 40 years I've owned an F 150 and 3 F 250s. Not too many problems, after the first one, the F 150! The extra bucks for the 250 is money well spent.
 

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Oh the HORROR of complicated economics! China is a MAJOR producer of lithium so it stands to reason they would exploit it s much as possible!

Lithium car batteries are months from being antiquated and besides, Canada has far bigger deposits of lithium sitting in waiting.


This is what happens when labour costs are unsustainable.

F 250 has a has a lot more hauling capacity. My 1977 F 150 was a Windsor 351.

3200lb cargo and 12,200lb towing isn't enough for you?

Are you pulling a camper trailer or are you towing a motorhome to the lake?
 

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Ford cutting the sedan in favor of the SUV. It makes sense. The sedan market is where Ford struggles so they can keep their truck division which is their bread and butter and get out of the sector where they are getting hammered.

Electric SUVs of course? *chuckle*
 

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China launches the the NIO ES8 a 7 seater electric SUV.

It costs $65 K usd - half the price of a Tesla.

China is said to be considering an outright ban on gas powered cars within the next ten years or less - just like everyone else.


Hey Hoidy- Just answer the question in post # 70!
 

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You're dead on:
Ford also said it was making “a full commitment” to alternative propulsion engines, including adding hybrid-electric powertrains to company icons such as the F-150 and the Mustang.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/f...ca-as-it-drops-slow-selling-sedans-2018-04-25

Alternative does not necessarily mean battery electric. GM is building trucks for the US army that are fuel cell rather than battery. THere is also a push for CNG which has better range than electric.
 

spilledthebeer

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A better range than electric and far easier to find a fuel station

Here is an older article reminding us yet again that LIE-beral business skills are such they cannot run a chip truck at a profit- not even if you gave them the potatoes for free!

Question of the day:

How the hell can you build a bridge in northern Ontario that buckles when it gets cold?

A new bridge, which opened in November in Nipigon, buckled in the cold over the weekend, severing the Trans-Canada Highway, essentially splitting the country in two.

What went wrong? Well, perhaps the province should have handed the engineering to a Canadian company familiar with the temperatures in the North.

While Sandro Perruzza, CEO of the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE), cautions it’s early in the investigation, he noted the engineers for the project are based in Spain.

“It’s all speculation at this point,” he said.

“The engineering company that was hired to do this is based out of Spain, so do they have the experience and knowledge to design a bridge in the cold weather we have in Canada that they don’t have in southern Europe?” he said in a phone interview Monday.

Engineering giant Ferrovial, based in Madrid and part of the same company that owns Hwy. 407, was responsible for the engineering. The $106-million project is the first cable-stayed bridge in Canada.

“When it was designed, were the design specifications put forward that would meet the requirements of the weather?” Perruzza asked.

He said the issue is not so much how cold it is, but how quickly it can get cold in northern Ontario, where temperatures can fluctuate by 10C or 15C from one day to the next.

“It’s the rate of how quickly it gets cold, and can the material expand and contract quickly?” he says.

“If a Canadian engineering company is doing the work, they would take those things into consideration and the design would account for that.”

Sources say municipal politicians in northern Ontario have long been concerned about the material used for the bridge. According to a PowerPoint presentation on the Ontario Good Roads Association website, while the pre-cast deck, towers and structural steel were all sourced in Canada, the cables came from Spain and the expansion joints were manufactured in China.

That raises questions about whether those materials were made to standards that would withstand the Canadian winter.

Perruzza says the OSPE advocates for a qualification-based selection process so that when contracts such as this are awarded, in addition to awarding it to the lowest bidder, the government also looks at how qualified all the people in that bid are in doing these type of projects.

“Canadian suppliers would have all have experience in supplying this kind of equipment and these types of materials that are tested in these types of environments,” he says.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Transportation says broken bolts were at fault.

“Uplift occurred at the northwest corner of the structure due to broken bolts at a bearing connection. Our engineers are on site and continue to investigate. At this point, it’s too soon to say if cold weather was a factor,” adds Annemarie Piscopo.

Whatever happened, this is deeply troubling. This is the government that’s selling Hydro One to pay for infrastructure. Are we really getting value for money? When you put money into the Ontario Retirement Pension Plan, the government has vowed to spend it on infrastructure.

Is that how you want your pension invested — in bridges where vital parts are imported from China? Why not just cut to the chase and pick them up at the Dollar Store? What could possibly go wrong?

Look, we don’t yet know what went wrong. But, we really shouldn’t be looking to Madrid or China to find out what happened in Nipigon.

NIPIGON RIVER BRIDGE

The same company that owns Hwy. 407 built the Nipigon River Bridge. Ferrovial International Inc. is owned by Cintra Infraestructuras Internacional S.L. — a wholly owned subsidiary of Ferrovial S.A., which owns 43% of Hwy. 407. Cintra Infraestructuras is the largest shareholder of 407 International Inc., which operates Hwy. 407 under a 99-year lease from the Ontario government.
This is not the first Ontario highway disruption that involves engineers and architects from Spain. Girders on Herb Gray Parkway, near Windsor, did not meet the standards of the Canadian Highway Bridge Design Code. That project was built by a Spanish-led consortium, the Windsor Essex Mobility Group.

WHAT THE POLITICIANS SAY

Premier Kathleen Wynne:

“It is the lifeline in terms of product and transportation in northwestern Ontario and as people have said, it connects east to the west.

“It’s very concerning to me and we’ll get to the bottom of it and make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

Michael Mantha, NDP MPP for Algoma Manitoulin:

“Right now, the Liberal government’s infrastructure plan for northern Ontario seems to be: ‘Drive through the United States.’”

Nipigon Mayor Richard Harvey:

“We opened the community centre. People opened their homes to anyone who needed a place to stay and said, ‘bring your kids over.’ Churches put on breakfasts. People brought food for anyone who needed it. Everyone takes it in stride.”

christina.blizzard sunmedia.

(And did LIE-berals ever find out WHY the bridge FAILED so swiftly? Probably they did get answers but in typical LIE-beral fashion they have CHOSEN NOT to share the shameful explanation with the public!)
 

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(And did LIE-berals ever find out WHY the bridge FAILED so swiftly? Probably they did get answers but in typical LIE-beral fashion they have CHOSEN NOT to share the shameful explanation with the public!)

They could find those answers really fast... All they need to do is call up their close buddies that they awarded the contracts to

PS - no need to yell
 

spilledthebeer

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They could find those answers really fast... All they need to do is call up their close buddies that they awarded the contracts to

PS - no need to yell

I am not yelling- I am making sure that semi literate graduates of the dismal LIE-beral Ontari-owe education system- such as Cannuck- and the utterly addled Bar Silly Sister take my points clearly!

Besides- it only seems fair to make points this way- after all- LIE-berals have so often robbed us and taxed us outrageously so they can reward their friends that it seems proper to me to do things that annoy them from time to time!