Is Canada anti-Muslim?

[wallyj]

I bet you haven't read Steyn's book either! If you just want to attack me as a person, I will ignore you from now on. This is a discussion board, personal insults have no business here!

Yes,I have,and I recommend it. Pointing out the fact that you are relying on only one side of a story to form an opinion is not a personal insult.But that,and your outburst at being outed as incapable of looking at BOTH sides of an issue,does provide excellent fodder for a litany of insults. Maybe later.

 

[wallyj]

That website reeks for miles against the wind after hate literature!!! I wouldn't believe a word that's printed!

Pick out one item on that site that is false. Can you do it? Or would you just rather denounce everything that does not conform to your pre-concieved ideas about islam? I will be waiting with bait on my breath.

 

[Walter]

Rights organization dismisses complaint against Maclean's

Joseph Brean, National Post Published: Friday, June 27, 2008
The Canadian Human Rights Commission has dismissed a hate speech complaint against Maclean's magazine.
Brought by Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, the complaint was the centrepiece of a three-pronged offense against what he sees as Islamophobia in the national newsweekly, with columnists Mark Steyn and Barbara Amiel the main offenders.
An identical complaint, brought with the help of three Muslim law students who became the public faces of the complaint, was rejected in Ontario on jurisdictional grounds. The third was heard this month by a British Columbia tribunal, which is now deliberating.
Announcing the decision (the CHRC does not publicize dismissals of complaints), Maclean's said in a statement that it "is in keeping with our long-standing position that the article in question, "The Future Belongs to Islam," an excerpt from Mark Steyn's best-selling book America Alone, was a worthy piece of commentary on important geopolitical issues, entirely within the bounds of normal journalistic practice."
"Though gratified by the decision, Maclean's continues to assert that no human rights commission, whether at the federal or provincial level, has the mandate or the expertise to monitor, inquire into, or assess the editorial decisions of the nation's media. And we continue to have grave concerns about a system of complaint and adjudication that allows a media outlet to be pursued in multiple jurisdictions on the same complaint, brought by the same complainants, subjecting it to costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars, to say nothing of the inconvenience. We enthusiastically support those parliamentarians who are calling for legislative review of the commissions with regard to speech issues."
Specifically at issue was Maclean's publication of the article on its Web site. The federal human rights commission is the only such body that properly deals with hate spread via the internet, although there have been some apparent exceptions, such as a recent order of the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission that a pastor refrain from "disparaging" comments about homosexuals in his internet postings and private emails.
The ruling means the CHRC does not believe there is evidence to support a complaint that the Steyn article was "likely to expose" Muslims to hatred or contempt.

 

[Walter]

Christianity is compatible with peace so long as your(sic) white.

At the turn of the 20th century, Christianity was virtually nonexistent in many parts of Africa but is now the faith of the majority, as the following figures demonstrate:


Congo-Zaire
Angola
Swaziland
Zambia
Kenya
Malawi


% Christians in 1900
1.4%
0.6%
1.0%
0.3%
0.2%
1.8%


% Christians in 2000
95.4%
94.1%
86.9%
82.4%
79.3%
76.8%



Other African countries with a significant Christian population are:
Seychelles 96.9%
Saint Helena 96.2%
Sao Tomé & Principe 95.8%
Cape Verde Islands 95.1%
Namibia 92.3%
Burundi 91.7%
Congo-Brazzaville 91.2%
Lesotho 91%
Gabon 90.6%
Uganda 88.7%
South Africa 83.1%
Rwanda 82.7%
Spanish North Africa 80.3%
Equatorial Guinea 76.6%
Central African Republic 67.8%
Zimbabwe 67.5%
Botswana 59.9%
Cameroon 54.2%
Ethiopia 57.7%
Ghana 55.4%
Eritrea 50.5%
Tanzania 50.4%
Madagascar 49.5%
Nigeria 45.9%
Togo 42.6%

Where do the black people live?

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes,I have,and I recommend it. Pointing out the fact that you are relying on only one side of a story to form an opinion is not a personal insult.But that,and your outburst at being outed as incapable of looking at BOTH sides of an issue,does provide excellent fodder for a litany of insults. Maybe later.

If something is complete BS, the more you let it sway your opinion, the more your opinion is BS.

I haven't read Steyn, but I suspect his assertions are similar to this:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_drl.htm

Probably for reasons of brevity, the author left out many other passages in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) that are profoundly immoral by today's secular and religious standards. Examples are obligations to exterminate non-combatants during wartime, torture of prisoners, burning some prostitutes alive, denying disabled persons access to the temple, stoning non-virgin brides to death, etc.

more details
http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl.htm

Any religion can be twisted, even Christianity. Christians, Muslims and people in general are tolerant, peaceful and charitable.

 

[dancing-loon]

That was a brilliant post, eao!!:lol:;-)

 

[lone wolf]

Where do the black people live?

Ask Mugabe or Idi Amin or Kambanda.

Woof!

 

[wallyj]

If something is complete BS, the more you let it sway your opinion, the more your opinion is BS.

I haven't read Steyn, but I suspect his assertions are similar to this:





Any religion can be twisted, even Christianity. Christians, Muslims and people in general are tolerant, peaceful and charitable.

I am afraid that you have assumed wrongly. The book is mostly about demographics and the results of a growing muslim population,coupled with declining native birth rates. It is an eye-opener. I agree with you that most people are charitable and basically good,but one of the differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christians consider killing a deterrent to a happy afterlife. On the other hand ,islam will put you on the fast track if you kill the right people.

 

[lone wolf]

...but one of the differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christians consider killing a deterrent to a happy afterlife. On the other hand ,islam will put you on the fast track if you kill the right people.

This statement is very true ... for the extremists in both camps.

Woof!

 

[Scott Free]

True or not it didn't slow the Christians down any. The truth is that Christianity not Islam has done far more harm to the world and been responsible exponentially for more deaths.

Christianity has proved that it is far more harmful than Islam. Don't get me wrong. I dislike both and support getting rid of both mental maladies.

 

[dancing-loon]

True or not it didn't slow the Christians down any. The truth is that Christianity not Islam has done far more harm to the world and been responsible exponentially for more deaths.

Christianity has proved that it is far more harmful than Islam. Don't get me wrong. I dislike both and support getting rid of both mental maladies.

So right! Just look who is fighting whom right now in Iraq and Afghanistan??? Bush, Blair and Harper are devout Christians!!

The Christians came over here from Europe and killed most Natives, then enslaved the rest.
We really cannot brag being above the Muslims.

 

[wallyj]

Christianity has proved that it is far more harmful than Islam. Don't get me wrong. I dislike both and support getting rid of both mental maladies.

I am not a supporter of any religion. I believe that they are based on superstition and survive because of mental maladies,specifically immaturity. So many believers push off their inadequacies onto their 'faith',instead of taking personal responsibility. But and this is a big BUT,christianity has evolved,the pogroms,crusades,witch trials,etc, are in the past.Islam is still stuck in the 7th century,a tribal culture,where the 'wisdom' of the leaders is followed without question. The luck of being born with a penis puts you at the top of the heap....The world is evolving at an expotential rate. Cellphones,camera cellphones,the internet,were science fiction 40 years ago.90 years ago,science fiction was barely around. The world is evolving,islam is falling far behind,except in population growth. Blind allegiance to anything does not allow one to grow,islam demands blind allegiance.

 

[CanaChick]

I am not a supporter of any religion. I believe that they are based on superstition and survive because of mental maladies,specifically immaturity. So many believers push off their inadequacies onto their 'faith',instead of taking personal responsibility. But and this is a big BUT,christianity has evolved,the pogroms,crusades,witch trials,etc, are in the past.Islam is still stuck in the 7th century,a tribal culture,where the 'wisdom' of the leaders is followed without question. The luck of being born with a penis puts you at the top of the heap....The world is evolving at an expotential rate. Cellphones,camera cellphones,the internet,were science fiction 40 years ago.90 years ago,science fiction was barely around. The world is evolving,islam is falling far behind,except in population growth. Blind allegiance to anything does not allow one to grow,islam demands blind allegiance.

I firmly agree with that however people must also take into account that religion was the cause for the bloodiest wars to date.

And yes the world is evolving I can't wait to see the day of equality and no racism (though i may not see it >.<) And I hope they start leaving it out of politics soon geez..

 

[wallyj]

I firmly agree with that however people must also take into account that religion was the cause for the bloodiest wars to date.

And yes the world is evolving I can't wait to see the day of equality and no racism (though i may not see it >.<) And I hope they start leaving it out of politics soon geez..

There is an old song"one tin soldier",that describes a religious battle. Greedy people killing for a prize. The prize was "peace on earth and goodwill to men". One of the lines is' go ahead and hate your neighbour,go ahead and kill your friend,do it in the name of heaven you will be justified in the end'. That sums up the sorry state of religions.

 

[Walter]

I firmly agree with that however people must also take into account that religion was the cause for the bloodiest wars to date.

I didn't know that WW I and WW II were religious wars. Thanks for educating me.

 

[einmensch]

Canada is anti-semitic- - if one searches Canada anti-muslim-one only finds more anti-semitic
Offensive to Jews--How about offensive to Christians on Jewish produced TV and Film?
Jews never commit anti-semitic acts just to keep things going-oH there are a number of Jews that got caught scribbling Swaztikas on Synagogues and so on, to help the cause!!?
$4.5 to create Muslim Terrorists--I wonder who pushed for that-?

 

[quandary121]

Things like this do nothing to help Muslims over here.!!!
to much political correctness, and trying to appease everyone i think, instead of just being able to do what you should be allowed, as this is britain and not Islam were talking about, so either they should except our unique ways, or leave, and i don't mean that in a bad way ,just that they should abide by our laws ,and not try to change them to suit themselves, as this has gone on in the past causing more division, and less cohesion.

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat


By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:15 PM on 01st July 2008

• A postcard featuring a cute puppy sitting in a policeman's hat advertising a Scottish police force's new telephone number has sparked outrage from Muslims.

Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.
The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards - a black dog sitting in a police officer's hat - has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.

Tayside Police caused uproar in the Muslim community after they released this advertisement featuring police puppy Rebel sitting in a hat
The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.
Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif said: 'My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards.

'It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.

'They (the police) should have understood. Since then, the police have explained that it was an oversight on their part, and that if they'd seen it was going to cause upset they wouldn't have done it.'

Councillor Asif, who is a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said that the force had a diversity adviser and was generally very aware of such issues.
He raised the matter with Mr Vine at a meeting of the board.

Tayside Police Chief Constable John Vine said the advert was not intended to cause any offence

The chief constable said he was unaware of the concerns and that the force had not sought to cause any upset but added he would look into the matter.

Councillor Asif said: 'People who have shops just won't put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset.'
Cards featuring police dog-in-training Rebel have been distributed to communities throughout the area to advertise the single number point of contact for non-emergency calls to the police.
Rebel has proved a popular recruit for Tayside Police after coming through the very first Lothian and Borders Police dog-breeding programme in February.

One of seven German Shepherd pups born in early December, he has now completed his course of inoculations, and is free to venture out onto the streets of Tayside.
A spokesman for Tayside Police said: 'Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks old, as Tayside Police's newest canine recruit.
'His incredible world-wide popularity - he has attracted record visitor numbers to our website - led us to believe Rebel could play a starring role in the promotion of our non-emergency number.
'We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.'

 

[Scott Free]

I think we should do all we can to keep Islam out of North America.

 

[Zzarchov]

I don't. I think we should allow it in, with open arms.

Because after a generation or two in our society it goes away. My islamic friends are as muslim as I am christian. They go without beer and bacon during ramadan like I eat chocolate eggs at easter.