Is America bringing freedom to North Carolina & Oregon & Minnesota?

Ron in Regina

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A judge on Saturday declined to order the Trump administration to immediately scale back its immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota, rejecting pleas from state officials who said the campaign was stepping on their sovereignty and endangering the public.

U.S. District Judge Kate Menendez said Minnesota and the Twin Cities had not definitively shown that the administration’s decision to flood the state with immigration agents, an initiative dubbed Operation Metro Surge, was unlawful or designed to coerce local officials into cooperating with other administration objectives.
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However, while she denied the state’s request for a preliminary injunction ending the surge, the judge stressed that she was making not making a final determination on the state’s claims, a step that would take place after further litigation. She also cautioned that she was not deciding whether specific actions taken by immigration authorities during the surge were unlawful.

“It would be difficult to overstate the effect this operation is having on the citizens of Minnesota, and the Court must acknowledge that reality here,” wrote Menendez, who was named to the bench by President Joe Biden. “However, those are not the only harms to be considered. … Defendants have presented evidence that entry of the injunction requested by Plaintiffs would harm the federal government’s efforts to enforce federal immigration law.”
During a court hearing Monday, Menendez said that while “we are in shockingly unusual times,” she was skeptical about whether her authority let her decide if the immigration agents could remain deployed in Minnesota.

Menendez also questioned a letter Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) on Saturday, the day Pretti was killed, demanding access to the state’s voter rolls and records relating to food assistance programs.

Bondi appeared to link these moves with a possible end to the immigration crackdown in Minnesota. During the hearing, Menendez asked whether the letter was akin to a ransom note.
 

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It should be noted that in the U.S., "homicide" merely means "one person was killed as a direct result of action by another person or persons," in this case bullets in the back. Whether it is murder in any degree, manslaughter in any degree, or any lesser type of crime is up to a jury (unless the ICEmen are found to be immune).
 

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Under the U.S. Constitution's Tenth Amendment, the federal government cannot command state officers to help it enforce federal laws, a violation of state sovereignty. But it can ask the states to volunteer their assistance.

In 2025, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison told state prosecutors in an advisory opinion that "Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody."

Detaining someone for up to 48 hours is an arrest like any other, Ellison wrote, and neither Minnesota nor federal law gives local officials the authority to make an arrest based on a request by another agency without a judge-signed arrest warrant.

He cited a 2019 ruling by the Minnesota Court of Appeals, Esparza v. Nobles County, that found that a sheriff continuing to detain someone after they were free to go under state law was likely unconstitutional.
 

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It should be noted that in the U.S., "homicide" merely means "one person was killed as a direct result of action by another person or persons," in this case bullets in the back. Whether it is murder in any degree, manslaughter in any degree, or any lesser type of crime is up to a jury (unless the ICEmen are found to be immune).
Pretty much the same in Canada.
 

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“The system sucks. This job sucks,” Julie Le, an attorney representing the US attorney’s office in Minnesota, said in response to a federal judge’s questions on why ICE has repeatedly failed to comply with court orders.

“I wish you would hold me in contempt so I would have a full 24 hours sleep,” she added in comments that quickly went viral.
She’s probably having a nap right now.
 

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“The system sucks. This job sucks,” Julie Le, an attorney representing the US attorney’s office in Minnesota, said in response to a federal judge’s questions on why ICE has repeatedly failed to comply with court orders.

“I wish you would hold me in contempt so I would have a full 24 hours sleep,” she added in comments that quickly went viral.
She’s probably having a nap right now.
Oof da!

Is ICE the problem or is Minnesota the problem?
 
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Is ICE the problem or is Minnesota the problem?
Good question.Since ICE is supposed to be removing illegals from the country, wouldn't most citizens be in favour? Or is it more than just Minisota citizens leading the protest? Our news on the matter is rather vague.
 

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Good question.Since ICE is supposed to be removing illegals from the country, wouldn't most citizens be in favour? Or is it more than just Minisota citizens leading the protest? Our news on the matter is rather vague.
Since ICE is supposed to be removing illegals from the country, isn't murdering American citizens kinda off mission?
 

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Since ICE is supposed to be removing illegals from the country, isn't murdering American citizens kinda off mission?
When a white police officer in Minneapolis killed George Floyd nearly six years ago, the political repercussions were serious, immediate, and felt nationwide. The Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement gathered steam. Huge protests – mostly peaceful, but not always – took place across America, as well as in many other countries. “Defund the police” became a popular slogan.

It looked like a high point for liberal politics. But in fact, BLM probably ended up hurting the Democrats, as many voters came to regard the party, fairly or not, as elitists who coddled minorities and treated white working-class Americans with contempt. Maybe this was an attempt at a BLM 2.0 scenario before the midterm elections?

But the recent killings by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Border Patrol agents of people observing their raids in that same city of Minneapolis could be more consequential. On January 7, Renee Nicole Macklin Good, a mother of three, was shot dead through her car window while moving away from federal officers. On January 24, intensive-care nurse Alex Pretti, with only a phone in hand, was shot 10 times in the back after being wrestled to the ground.
…isn't murdering American citizens kinda off mission?
Maybe it wasn’t? Arresting people without a warrant or probable cause is a performative kind of brutal violence. ICE agents do not try to hide their aggression; they want people to see their abusive behaviour. This orgy of violence is deliberate. It is meant to show that the Trump administration is serious about ridding the United States of “drug dealers, criminals, and rapists.”

Autocratic governments – and some revolutionary movements – tend to use performative brutality to intimidate people who could conceivably stand in their way.

When ICE agents targeted Hispanics or people of colour, most white Americans did not fear for their safety, even if they deplored such tactics. The murders of Ms. Macklin Good and Mr. Pretti changed that. Not only were they U.S. citizens, they were about as mainstream as a white American from the Midwest can be. Neither had a criminal record. Mr. Pretti was even a gun owner.

But the killings upset many other people, too, across the political spectrum. If Mr. Pretti and Ms. Macklin Good could be executed in broad daylight, anyone could. The Trump administration realized fairly quickly that this could harm their chances in November’s midterm elections.
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Allegations of “domestic terrorism” were dialed back. Mr. Miller acknowledged a possible breach of ICE “protocol.” Mr. Trump even called Ms. Macklin Good’s killing a “tragedy.” The man overseeing the raids in Minneapolis, Gregory Bovino, was demoted and transferred out of Minnesota.
The shootings were predictable. Sending poorly trained, heavily armed masked men into Democratic cities to kick down doors, shove people into cars, detain children, and arrest people without a warrant or probable cause is a performative kind of brutal violence. ICE agents do not try to hide their aggression; they want people to see their abusive behaviour.

More migrants were deported under presidents Barack Obama (more than 3.1 million) and Joe Biden (roughly 4 million) than under Trump (1.9 million in his first term, and 540,000 so far in his second term). But these Democratic presidents were more discriminating in their methods, and mostly targeted convicted criminals.

There were no stories of children being used as bait, of half-dressed old men being dragged from their homes in freezing conditions, of people being shipped off to countries whose languages they don’t even speak – let alone of U.S. citizens being gunned down in the street.
The Nazis consolidated their power with the help of the Sturmabteilung, brown-shirted thugs who were licensed to beat up Jews, Communists, and other “undesirables.

Many people who might not approve of such tactics prefer to look away, not only because they are intimidated, but also because violent regimes are selective in their targets. So long as one wasn’t a Jew or a leftist in the early years of Hitler’s Germany, one was unlikely to get into serious trouble.

But Joseph Stalin was deliberately indiscriminate. Anyone, even loyal party members, could end up in torture prisons or slave labour camps. People in the Soviet Union lived in a permanent state of fear, which was of course Stalin’s intention. But this is relatively rare. Most dictators, or aspiring dictators, select specific groups to isolate and persecute.
 

petros

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When a white police officer in Minneapolis killed George Floyd nearly six years ago, the political repercussions were serious, immediate, and felt nationwide. The Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement gathered steam. Huge protests – mostly peaceful, but not always – took place across America, as well as in many other countries. “Defund the police” became a popular slogan.

It looked like a high point for liberal politics. But in fact, BLM probably ended up hurting the Democrats, as many voters came to regard the party, fairly or not, as elitists who coddled minorities and treated white working-class Americans with contempt. Maybe this was an attempt at a BLM 2.0 scenario before the midterm elections?

But the recent killings by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Border Patrol agents of people observing their raids in that same city of Minneapolis could be more consequential. On January 7, Renee Nicole Macklin Good, a mother of three, was shot dead through her car window while moving away from federal officers. On January 24, intensive-care nurse Alex Pretti, with only a phone in hand, was shot 10 times in the back after being wrestled to the ground.

Maybe it wasn’t? Arresting people without a warrant or probable cause is a performative kind of brutal violence. ICE agents do not try to hide their aggression; they want people to see their abusive behaviour. This orgy of violence is deliberate. It is meant to show that the Trump administration is serious about ridding the United States of “drug dealers, criminals, and rapists.”

Autocratic governments – and some revolutionary movements – tend to use performative brutality to intimidate people who could conceivably stand in their way.

When ICE agents targeted Hispanics or people of colour, most white Americans did not fear for their safety, even if they deplored such tactics. The murders of Ms. Macklin Good and Mr. Pretti changed that. Not only were they U.S. citizens, they were about as mainstream as a white American from the Midwest can be. Neither had a criminal record. Mr. Pretti was even a gun owner.

But the killings upset many other people, too, across the political spectrum. If Mr. Pretti and Ms. Macklin Good could be executed in broad daylight, anyone could. The Trump administration realized fairly quickly that this could harm their chances in November’s midterm elections.
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Allegations of “domestic terrorism” were dialed back. Mr. Miller acknowledged a possible breach of ICE “protocol.” Mr. Trump even called Ms. Macklin Good’s killing a “tragedy.” The man overseeing the raids in Minneapolis, Gregory Bovino, was demoted and transferred out of Minnesota.
The shootings were predictable. Sending poorly trained, heavily armed masked men into Democratic cities to kick down doors, shove people into cars, detain children, and arrest people without a warrant or probable cause is a performative kind of brutal violence. ICE agents do not try to hide their aggression; they want people to see their abusive behaviour.

More migrants were deported under presidents Barack Obama (more than 3.1 million) and Joe Biden (roughly 4 million) than under Trump (1.9 million in his first term, and 540,000 so far in his second term). But these Democratic presidents were more discriminating in their methods, and mostly targeted convicted criminals.

There were no stories of children being used as bait, of half-dressed old men being dragged from their homes in freezing conditions, of people being shipped off to countries whose languages they don’t even speak – let alone of U.S. citizens being gunned down in the street.
The Nazis consolidated their power with the help of the Sturmabteilung, brown-shirted thugs who were licensed to beat up Jews, Communists, and other “undesirables.

Many people who might not approve of such tactics prefer to look away, not only because they are intimidated, but also because violent regimes are selective in their targets. So long as one wasn’t a Jew or a leftist in the early years of Hitler’s Germany, one was unlikely to get into serious trouble.

But Joseph Stalin was deliberately indiscriminate. Anyone, even loyal party members, could end up in torture prisons or slave labour camps. People in the Soviet Union lived in a permanent state of fear, which was of course Stalin’s intention. But this is relatively rare. Most dictators, or aspiring dictators, select specific groups to isolate and persecute.
What would have the Dems "document all illegals" looked like?