Iraq war a success

[aeon]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

HA, ha, ha.....I rest my case.

Exactly you have abostly no argument, except hatred towards muslim.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

How about we compromise...the US troops stay and we won't have to worry about Iran.

Iran is next on the hit list anyways (if they keep it up), soon you won't have to worry about them.

Dont worry my friend , iran are damn ready , and the problem with the us and the whole coalitions of the ignorant, they arent even able to control insurgent in iraq with a already devastated country like it is,now how will they be able to control insurgent in iraq, and at the same time conducted a war against iran??


Only in your dream.

Maybe we won't be as nice in Iran as we are in Iraq...maybe will just bomb and leave them and let their Western liberal friends go in and clean it up....assuming liberals know how to clean up things. (They wouldn't want to break a finger nail after all)

Iran wants a little war anyways, lets give it to them. Who else in the face of so much opposition from Great Nations still goes ahead with stupid anti-west rhetoric and nuclear bomb making? I think they think they have it made in the shade....75% of Western world Liberals are on their side.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

HA, ha, ha.....I rest my case.

Exactly you have abostly no argument, except hatred towards muslim.

Your going to have to do better than this.

 

[mabudon]

I can't BELIEVE that ANYONE could be so dense as to not have a clue as to certain folks "justifications" for withdrawal, can't you read my posts?? and I am NOT "the left" so don't toss around labels that you have made up like they mean ANYTHING

To JoeyB- giving their damn country back to the PEOPLE who LIVE there (and by this I guess I mean "pulling the rug" out from under the multinationals who carved up Iraqs mostly socialized infrastructure, and who bring in foreign workes to employ so that the Iraqi unemployment can hover at a STAGGERING 60%) would in NO WAY be "pulling the rug out from under" Iraq or Iraqis in general (as my bracketed statement explains I hope)

I don't see how "compromise" is "you 'leftie nutbars' shut up and we leave things as they are"

Is THIS waht passes for a discussion on this site??
I swear no-one has responded to ANY of my posts other than to cut out a single out-of-context sentence and then bash on it with stupid assed talking poiints and if my countrymen are so goddamned stupid then I REALLY fear for the future like never before

Thanks for the discussion, folks

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

Maybe we won't be as nice in Iran as we are in Iraq...maybe will just bomb and leave them and let their Western liberal friends go in and clean it up....assuming liberals know how to clean up things. (They wouldn't want to break a finger nail after all)

And you think the whole coalition of the ignorant were nice to iraqies?

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.
killed a great mass of innoncent people all over the country for a pre-emptive war, so what is not being nice?? dropping nuclear bomb on their head??


You know you can dream, but the war with iran, will never happen, because of the stupidity of the coalition in iraq, you can forget this war for the next 25 years, firstly because China has interest in iran, and it is not a secret to say that china has nothing to fear from the americans, secondly because iran are ready for any invasion.

Iran wants a little war anyways, lets give it to them. Who else in the face of so much opposition from Great Nations still goes ahead with stupid anti-west rhetoric and nuclear bomb making? I think they think they have it made in the shade....75% of Western world Liberals are on their side.

The only one who wants war, are guys like you, people who are ready to blow up the entire middle east for their little security, this is to me the best exemple of a rich society full of parano-cowards.

 

[zoofer]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.
killed a great mass of innoncent people all over the country for a pre-emptive war, so what is not being nice?? dropping nuclear bomb on their head??

:tard: :roll:

 

[zoofer]

But we are helping out...

Windsor man called 'major player' in smuggling ring
Trevor Wilhelm, Windsor Star
Published: Wednesday, April 05, 2006

DETROIT - A U.S. judge denied bail Tuesday to a Windsor man accused of being "a major player" in a smuggling ring that sent money to a Lebanese terrorist group.

Judge Virginia Morgan agreed with the prosecutor's argument that Karim Hassan Nasser, who was born in Lebanon and lives in Windsor, would flee the United States if he was let out on bail.

"These are allegations of a large-scale and well-organized conspiracy," said Morgan.

Nasser, 37, a Veteran Cab driver, was among nine men arrested last month in Michigan in connection with the multimillion-dollar ring, alleged to have smuggled cigarettes, counterfeit Viagra and Zig Zig rolling papers, socks, toilet paper and baby formula.

Ten others who live outside the U.S. were also named in the indictment. They include Naji Hassan Alawie, 44, and Hassan Hassan Nasser, 36, both from Windsor, and two Montreal men.

Authorities said profits of the operation were sent to Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based organization that Canada and the United States recognize as having links to terrorism, and used to support the families of suicide bombers.

As much as $500,000 worth of untaxed or low-taxed cigarettes were ferried each week between the Cattaraugus Indian Reservation in New York state, North Carolina, Kentucky, Michigan and New York, authorities allege.

Some of the proceeds included about $20 million in unpaid Michigan cigarette taxes, Assistant U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said in court.
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=18c220f5-d9f0-4459-a9bd-ec4c6883de1c&k=19460

 

[zoofer]

Detained Montreal man admits to weapons training
Held at Guantanamo: Left Canada after being 'pressured' by authorities: Stewart Bell, National Post
Published: Wednesday, April 05, 2006

A Montreal man detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba has admitted he took weapons training in Afghanistan before being captured at Tora Bora, according to declassified U.S. military documents.

Transcripts of detainee hearings disclosed this week in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit include files on Ahcene Zemiri, an Algerian who lived in Montreal and Vancouver before moving to Jalalabad in 2001.

According to the documents, Mr. Zemiri told interrogators he left Canada because he was being "pressured" by Canadian security authorities and made his way to Afghanistan where he underwent small arms training at Toran Camp.

"The detainee said his purpose for going to Afghanistan was to immigrate and for jihad," according to transcripts of Mr. Zemiri's detainee hearings that were released by the U.S. Defense Department.
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=da756f2f-6d96-49a3-bc0b-074fe0d45650

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

Maybe we won't be as nice in Iran as we are in Iraq...maybe will just bomb and leave them and let their Western liberal friends go in and clean it up....assuming liberals know how to clean up things. (They wouldn't want to break a finger nail after all)

And you think the whole coalition of the ignorant were nice to iraqies?

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.
killed a great mass of innoncent people all over the country for a pre-emptive war, so what is not being nice?? dropping nuclear bomb on their head??


You know you can dream, but the war with iran, will never happen, because of the stupidity of the coalition in iraq, you can forget this war for the next 25 years, firstly because China has interest in iran, and it is not a secret to say that china has nothing to fear from the americans, secondly because iran are ready for any invasion.

Iran wants a little war anyways, lets give it to them. Who else in the face of so much opposition from Great Nations still goes ahead with stupid anti-west rhetoric and nuclear bomb making? I think they think they have it made in the shade....75% of Western world Liberals are on their side.

The only one who wants war, are guys like you, people who are ready to blow up the entire middle east for their little security, this is to me the best exemple of a rich society full of parano-cowards.

An Adventure That Can Backfire
Amir Taheri

Having secured most key positions in the past few months, the new generation of Iran’s Islamic revolutionaries is now invited to prepare for playing “chicken” with the United States.

“The Satanic powers want to play chicken with us,” says Gen. Muhammad Hijazi, the man in charge of the Islamic army’s office of war preparation. “We must show that we are eagles.”

The idea that the Islamic Republic faces a game of “chicken” against the West was publicized last month by Ali Larijani, the new “security czar” in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s administration. But the man who first came up with the analysis is Hassan Abbasi who has emerged as Ahmadinejad’s chief strategic guru.

Abbasi heads the Center for Security Doctrines Research of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (RGC). His friends call him “The Kissinger of Islam”, after Henry Kissinger who served as US secretary of state in the 1970s.

“To Iran’s new ruling elite, Abbasi is the big strategic brain,” says a European diplomat in Tehran. “More and more officials quote him in meetings with foreign diplomats.”

According to Tehran sources, Abbasi is the architect of the so-called “war preparation plan” currently under way in Iran.

Last month Abbasi presented an outline of his analysis in a lecture at the Teachers Training Faculty in Karaj, west of Tehran.

The lecture merits attention because it offers an insight into the way the new leadership in Tehran approaches issues of international politics.

According to Abbasi, the global balance of power is in a state of flux and every nation should fight for a place in a future equilibrium. The Western powers, especially the United States, still wield immense military and economic power that “looks formidable on paper.” But they are unable to use that power because their populations have become “risk-averse.”

“The Western man today has no stomach for a fight,” Abbasi says. “This phenomenon is not new: All empires produce this type of man, the self-centered, materialist, and risk-averse man.”

Abbasi believes that the US intervention in Iraq, which involved “slightly higher risks” than the invasion of Afghanistan, was the very last of its kind. And even then, the US went into Iraq because of President George W Bush’s “readiness to do what no other American leader would dare contemplate.”

According to Abbasi, the US knows that the only power capable of and willing to challenge it across the globe is the Islamic Republic. The reason is that the Islamic Republic not only enjoys “strong backing from its people”, but also has the support of millions who are prepared to kill and die for it across the globe.

Abbasi claims that the US and its allies have played three games against Iran.

The first was a “carrots and sticks” exercise designed to tempt a section of the Tehran leadership away from radical politics while frightening another section into submission. The next game was “good cop, bad cop” and had the more sinister objective of confusing and dividing the Islamic leadership. Finally, and starting just over a year ago, the “satanic powers” played a new game which Abbasi has dubbed “trigger-at-the-ready.” In this game they put the metaphoric gun at the Islamic Republic’s temple with their finger on the trigger.

Abbasi believes that the trigger was pulled, firing only a blank, when the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) passed an anodyne resolution on the Islamic Republic’s pursuit of nuclear power last month.

“Now that the satanic powers have failed to achieve their goal with all those games they are preparing for a new game,” Abbasi says. “ This new game is known as the Chicken Strategy in which the two sides move toward each other with speed until one side quits.”

It is not clear whether Abbasi or other mullas have seen Nicholas Ray’s “Rebel Without A Cause”. But it was in that film, starring James Dean, that “playing chicken” was introduced to broader audiences. According to Webster dictionary, the phrase refers to “any of various contests in which the participants risk personal safety in order to see which one will give up first.” The quitter is designated as “chicken livered.”

Abbasi and his disciples in the new Islamic elite believe that this is the best time to engage the US in a “game of chicken.”

“The Western regimes lack popular legitimacy,” Abbasi told his audience. “The Western economy is based on shaky foundations that depend on oil. Divisions within the Western camp, the West’s economic fragility, and the distrust of the people (in Western countries) toward their governments render their side vulnerable.”

Abbasi believes that when President Bush says that no option is off the table, implying that force could be used against the Islamic Republic, he is only playing chicken.

“The Americans are not ready to send a million men (to defeat the Islamic Republic),” Abbasi said. “Even economic sanctions against the Islamic Republic will fail thanks to opposition from the Western public opinion and the refusal of most countries to implement (them).”

Abbasi claims that in a game plan presented to Ahmadinejad, he has concluded that the idea of a major US military attack against Iran is “a bluff.”

“Our game plan shows that any attempt at imposing an embargo on Iran would push the price of oil to $110 per barrel,” Abbasi said. “And if we were to be subjected to military attack the price could top the $400 mark.”

A brief military clash with the US at this time could do wonders for the Islamic Republic. The regime would be able to crush growing internal opposition in the name of national solidarity. It would also revive the regime’s revolutionary credentials. The raid on the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979 gave the new Islamic regime an aura of radicalism that it lacked because a revolution led by the mullas was hard to sell as a progressive, anti-imperialist movement. Abbasi also recalls that Iraq’s invasion of Iran in 1980 was “a blessing from God” because it gave the revolutionary regime another chance to prove its resilience.”

In true Nietzschean form he believes that since a limited war with the US will not kill the Islamic Republic; it is bound to make it stronger.

But it is not only the US that Abbasi wants to take on and humiliate. He has described Britain as “the mother of all evils”. In his lecture he claimed that the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and the Gulf states were all “children of the same mother: the British Empire.” As for France and Germany, they are “countries in terminal decline”, according to Abbasi.

“Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover,” he told his audience.

Abbasi’s strategy may be in tune with the current macho mood in Tehran. But the new Tehran leadership should think twice before it embarks on a potentially deadly, and totally unnecessary, adventure on the basis of childish assumptions about Iran’s power and the West’s weakness.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=71339&d=8&m=10&y=2005

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

An Adventure That Can Backfire
Amir Taheri

Having secured most key positions in the past few months, the new generation of Iran’s Islamic revolutionaries is now invited to prepare for playing “chicken” with the United States.

“The Satanic powers want to play chicken with us,” says Gen. Muhammad Hijazi, the man in charge of the Islamic army’s office of war preparation. “We must show that we are eagles.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=71339&d=8&m=10&y=2005

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And your point is?

 

[darkbeaver]

The dollar, already declining before the invasion, sank further in 2003-2004 as a number of OPEC nations moved to reduce thier dollar holdings, while investing in thier own rising stocks markets and real estate. Whereas in 2002 the Unuited States had paid $100 billion for its imported oil needs, that rose to over $230 billion in 2005, with expectations of considerably worse to come. No US military commitment, perhaps not even Vietnam, so utterly failed in its unspoken objectives. Financial dominoes shook or toppled, from the price of oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange to OPECs ebbing commitment to the dollar.

from American Theocracy

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

An Adventure That Can Backfire
Amir Taheri

Having secured most key positions in the past few months, the new generation of Iran’s Islamic revolutionaries is now invited to prepare for playing “chicken” with the United States.

“The Satanic powers want to play chicken with us,” says Gen. Muhammad Hijazi, the man in charge of the Islamic army’s office of war preparation. “We must show that we are eagles.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=71339&d=8&m=10&y=2005

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And your point is?

Iran wants war.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

An Adventure That Can Backfire
Amir Taheri

Having secured most key positions in the past few months, the new generation of Iran’s Islamic revolutionaries is now invited to prepare for playing “chicken” with the United States.

“The Satanic powers want to play chicken with us,” says Gen. Muhammad Hijazi, the man in charge of the Islamic army’s office of war preparation. “We must show that we are eagles.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=71339&d=8&m=10&y=2005

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And your point is?

Iran wants war.

Your article is about quoting a general, and a general's mission is to be ready to anything, that is what is about this article, they are ready and the world knows they are, something that the coalition of the moron arent.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

And you think the whole coalition of the ignorant were nice to iraqies?

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.

See here's where you guys come in, because the Yans aren't the ones that want to leave the country in a chaos state. It's you "pullout-now" folks. And they are trying to counter this chaos by continuing the occupation and working to get Iraq set back up.

You know you can dream, but the war with iran, will never happen, because of the stupidity of the coalition in iraq, you can forget this war for the next 25 years, firstly because China has interest in iran, and it is not a secret to say that china has nothing to fear from the americans, secondly because iran are ready for any invasion.

Iraq was ready too. Iran does a lot of chest thumping and war-game exhibitions, but they'll fold.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

And you think the whole coalition of the ignorant were nice to iraqies?

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.

See here's where you guys come in, because the Yans aren't the ones that want to leave the country in a chaos state. It's you "pullout-now" folks. And they are trying to counter this chaos by continuing the occupation and working to get Iraq set back up.

You know you can dream, but the war with iran, will never happen, because of the stupidity of the coalition in iraq, you can forget this war for the next 25 years, firstly because China has interest in iran, and it is not a secret to say that china has nothing to fear from the americans, secondly because iran are ready for any invasion.

Iraq was ready too. Iran does a lot of chest thumping and war-game exhibitions, but they'll fold.

Iraq wasnt ready, they were under sanctions for the last 13 years,bomb raid by clintons administrations, and no country in human history has been monitored like iraq was.No one

95% of illegal weapons were destroyed during the 90 in iraq.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

How about we compromise...the US troops stay and we won't have to worry about Iran.

Iran is next on the hit list anyways (if they keep it up), soon you won't have to worry about them.

Dont worry my friend , iran are damn ready , and the problem with the us and the whole coalitions of the ignorant, they arent even able to control insurgent in iraq with a already devastated country like it is,now how will they be able to control insurgent in iraq, and at the same time conducted a war against iran??


Only in your dream.

Ready?

Like Iraqi ready? :lol:

We should one day kick in Irans door... set their military back 20 years and then just leave. They can "occupy" themselves with all of the clean up.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Iraq war a success

Maybe we won't be as nice in Iran as we are in Iraq...maybe will just bomb and leave them and let their Western liberal friends go in and clean it up....assuming liberals know how to clean up things. (They wouldn't want to break a finger nail after all)

And you think the whole coalition of the ignorant were nice to iraqies?

war based on a lie
steal their ressource
leave a chaos states, and do absotly nothing to counter it.
killed a great mass of innoncent people all over the country for a pre-emptive war, so what is not being nice?? dropping nuclear bomb on their head??


You know you can dream, but the war with iran, will never happen, because of the stupidity of the coalition in iraq, you can forget this war for the next 25 years, firstly because China has interest in iran, and it is not a secret to say that china has nothing to fear from the americans, secondly because iran are ready for any invasion.

Iran wants a little war anyways, lets give it to them. Who else in the face of so much opposition from Great Nations still goes ahead with stupid anti-west rhetoric and nuclear bomb making? I think they think they have it made in the shade....75% of Western world Liberals are on their side.

The only one who wants war, are guys like you, people who are ready to blow up the entire middle east for their little security, this is to me the best exemple of a rich society full of parano-cowards.

The only thing China would do is watch, bicker, and keep trading with the US. They have a bigger interest in trade with the US. The only place where we would have problems with China is in China or near China. China has 0 sea lift capability.

I do not see China marching across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, to get to Iran either. That is one long supply route and plenty of "Targets of Opportunity" for our Bombers.

 

[darkbeaver]

China's already in Iran and South America and Canada, the Cinese are everywhere.hahahahahahahhehehehehahahaha
the Chinese are coming the Chinese are coming

 

[darkbeaver]

China's already in Iran and South America and Canada, the Chinese are everywhere.hahahahahahahhehehehehahahaha
the Chinese are coming the Chinese are coming

 

[EagleSmack]

Then the Chinese better buckle up their chin straps because the US is everywhere too!