Iraq-Vietnam comparison inevitable

[Ocean Breeze]

maybe they were: if the US was dying to go into Iraq as some on here have suggested, then the Terrorists handed it to them on a silver platter...

exactly.!!! This is where OBL and his ilk did bush a big "favor."

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

I am putting out alot of fires here reading everyone on this entire site disagreeing with me.

take a clue from that .

no one appointed you firechief. :roll:

If you;re implying that I should "get on board" with the consensus view that's really weak. It's been my experience that if you're pissing someone off you are doing something right. And that the the common wisdom of lefies has historically been almost 100% proven wrong.

Some might say your view is really weak. It's all a matter of viewpoint, and while you might disagree with what some people think here, to be so self-righteous and arrogant really solves nothing. Why can't you be civil and get your point accross without throwing insults and name-calling -- "It's been my experience that if you're pissing someone off you are doing something right. And that the the common wisdom of lefies has historically been almost 100% proven wrong."

I think you are trying to piss people off because you come off as a jerk. It's not really what your saying, but how you are going about it that probably pisses people off. If I say "it will never work in the middle east because thier culture is different and I don't think they are ready for it" and then you say "no, it will work, it's already happening becaues they elected a government" both of these are mainly opinion because while they did elect a government, that doesn't mean it will work, because it's still up to the Iraqis. Do you see though how both of these are just opinions and neither of us is truly correct, but just expressing our views. Why not try to be more civil towards people instead of bashing people because they might agree. If everyone here agrees, why do you come here? If it bothers you that there are like-minded people here, I'm sure you can find sites with people who think like you. I've seen your viewpoint plenty, no offense, but your aren't that independent yourself.

You guys are more fun. Plus if I can save just ONE lefty in a day, then it was all worth it. :wink: I do find it entertaining to see what's going on behind those Lib blinders every so often and really, if I am abrasive I do apologize but I tend to get my back up when I'm the only one defending my position against an army of maoists...lol

Oh yeah, that's right, if someone doesn't agree with the Iraq war, they are certainly a China loving communist. You sure got me there :lol: :roll:

 

[moghrabi]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

It's been my experience that if you're pissing someone off you are doing something right

:lol:


so when the terrorists pissed the US off , and they were doing something "right"?????


but thanks.......that gives an insight as to where you are coming from....

.........pissing someone off .......is also called incitement and against the rules here. The troll factor??

 

[mattyaloo]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

understand completely .......as I am sure mog does too.


The fact that hardly anything is mentioned about the Iraqis speaks volumes as to what the US really thinks of them as a people. Iraqis are just obstacles in the way so the US can move in and take over . They are NOT people to the US. Yet the US claims to be doing so much "good " for them. With that kind of good , who needs bad.??

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

What, are you in Canada? I myself, being an American, can tell you that Sept. 11th effected me greatly and just like every other American I felt very sad that day and still get sad and feel sorry for the people who died, but that also doesn't mean that it shouldn't be examined as to why it might have happened. Ignoring the causes of such a terrible event really wouldn't do justice to the dead I think.

 

[mattyaloo]

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

understand completely .......as I am sure mog does too.


The fact that hardly anything is mentioned about the Iraqis speaks volumes as to what the US really thinks of them as a people. Iraqis are just obstacles in the way so the US can move in and take over . They are NOT people to the US. Yet the US claims to be doing so much "good " for them. With that kind of good , who needs bad.??

easy there: the US freed the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator. And to show their strength and appreciation as a people, Iraqi's turned outin droves to choose their new leader depsite heavy threats fromthe insurgency

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC

well, then one has to assume you live in a cave.

everywhere one can think of .....US flags were flying together with CA flags ( at least in my corner of the world), school children were making ribbons for sale...and sending money to the relief fund.

donations were extensive .

People bought pins , and the money went to the Red Cross and other agencies involved helping the US.

People opened their homes willingly and happily for USers stranded on planes

and on and on.

(sorry, but your remark is totally offensive to both Canada and America )

 

[moghrabi]

Quote:I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

Where were you on 9/11. Asleep, dead or blind. Didn't Canada take all the planes in that were flying. Didn't we accommodate in out own homes these people. Didn't we send firefighters there.

 

[mattyaloo]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

What, are you in Canada? I myself, being an American, can tell you that Sept. 11th effected me greatly and just like every other American I felt very sad that day and still get sad and feel sorry for the people who died, but that also doesn't mean that it shouldn't be examined as to why it might have happened. Ignoring the causes of such a terrible event really wouldn't do justice to the dead I think.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But my point was that in Canada (and many other "anti US countries") the mouring was omitted and we went straight to the blame.

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

understand completely .......as I am sure mog does too.


The fact that hardly anything is mentioned about the Iraqis speaks volumes as to what the US really thinks of them as a people. Iraqis are just obstacles in the way so the US can move in and take over . They are NOT people to the US. Yet the US claims to be doing so much "good " for them. With that kind of good , who needs bad.??

Yep, although it matters who you talk to. I would say the average American though does care about people and would probably feel quite sad, maybe even cry at the misery that the Iraqis suffer if shown. As far as the partisan right feels though, I think Ann Coulter summed up some of thier viewpoints somewhat "We should invade thier countries and convert thier leaders to christianity." I think she said something like that, can't remember for sure. I think there is really no respect for thier culture. While they don't want Saddam, and taking Saddam and his government out could be looked at as just, the US now wants them to be a democracy and to have our values, which is imposing. If they want a muslim state, I think it would make the US look alot better in the middle east if we let them do so.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

understand completely .......as I am sure mog does too.


The fact that hardly anything is mentioned about the Iraqis speaks volumes as to what the US really thinks of them as a people. Iraqis are just obstacles in the way so the US can move in and take over . They are NOT people to the US. Yet the US claims to be doing so much "good " for them. With that kind of good , who needs bad.??

easy there: the US freed the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator. And to show their strength and appreciation as a people, Iraqi's turned outin droves to choose their new leader depsite heavy threats fromthe insurgency

repeating the words of bush as gospel .......ain't gonna cut it.

gosh, have heard that line so often,.......almost have it memorized too. :wink:

 

[moghrabi]

Matty: Are a dumb ass or an idiot. I really can't understand your fucking mind. You are pissing a lot of people here with your arrogant lies. Do not twist words around and change them to your liking so you can win an argument.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

If they want a muslim state, I think it would make the US look alot better in the middle east if we let them do so.

agree. and the US should show respect for their wishes now.

Image is very important to the US......and this would go a long way s to improve it.

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

What, are you in Canada? I myself, being an American, can tell you that Sept. 11th effected me greatly and just like every other American I felt very sad that day and still get sad and feel sorry for the people who died, but that also doesn't mean that it shouldn't be examined as to why it might have happened. Ignoring the causes of such a terrible event really wouldn't do justice to the dead I think.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But my point was that in Canada (and many other "anti US countries") the mouring was omitted and we went straight to the blame.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that. Anyone who didn't feel at least an ounce of feelings for those people died, at least in the west where we seem to understand each other somewhat, is not human. I have heard from plenty of Canadians who will put someone down who even makes a joke about Sept. 11th. Canadians are people, and for any normal person to not have a feeling for those people, especially with how Americans and Canadians relationships are, just doesn't seem true to me. Even people in Australia mourned for the people in Sept. 11th. The whole world was watching(while the people in the middle east might have danced in the streets in some ares, but largely the West, at least on Sept. 11th, was shocked I think and effected).

 

[mattyaloo]

and now you gettin it back...in spades

You are a sick son of a bitch. You seem happy if others are dying from the US cruise missiles but not the other way around. I hope you taste your own poision oneday.

-sorry board members for the inflamatory language, but this guy is sick.

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

I didn't see much sympathy on this side of the border for thousands of US civilians dying in the WTC. I saw bunch of idealogues trying to find a way to blame US foreign policy.

What, are you in Canada? I myself, being an American, can tell you that Sept. 11th effected me greatly and just like every other American I felt very sad that day and still get sad and feel sorry for the people who died, but that also doesn't mean that it shouldn't be examined as to why it might have happened. Ignoring the causes of such a terrible event really wouldn't do justice to the dead I think.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But my point was that in Canada (and many other "anti US countries") the mouring was omitted and we went straight to the blame.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that. Anyone who didn't feel at least an ounce of feelings for those people died, at least in the west were we seem to understand each other somewhat, is not human. I have heard from plenty of Canadians who will put someone down who even makes a joke about Sept. 11th. Canadians are people, and for any normal person to not have a feeling for those people, especially with how Americans and Canadians relationships are, just doesn't seem true to me. Even people in Australia mourned for the people in Sept. 11th. The whole world was watching(while the people in the middle east might have danced in the streets in some ares, but largely the West, at least on Sept. 11th, was shocked I think and effected).

Sure, the initial feeling was felt by all, but the day wasn't even over before we were getting that kind of commentary from our left leaning media...it is the truth.

 

[moghrabi]

To make the ME look bad, they pointed the cameras at a few kids in Gaza dancing. Don't you think the people of the ME (other than OBL and Iraq) felt the sorrow. Yes they did as much as any human being would feel at that time.

 

[mattyaloo]

Yep, it's the outlook that unless it's Americans dying, they really don't understand. People from other countries aren't as human as Americans, you know. I hope you sense the sarcasm.

understand completely .......as I am sure mog does too.


The fact that hardly anything is mentioned about the Iraqis speaks volumes as to what the US really thinks of them as a people. Iraqis are just obstacles in the way so the US can move in and take over . They are NOT people to the US. Yet the US claims to be doing so much "good " for them. With that kind of good , who needs bad.??

easy there: the US freed the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator. And to show their strength and appreciation as a people, Iraqi's turned outin droves to choose their new leader depsite heavy threats fromthe insurgency

repeating the words of bush as gospel .......ain't gonna cut it.

gosh, have heard that line so often,.......almost have it memorized too. :wink:

yea -- never mind that it's true