Iran's 'eye for an eye' justice

captain morgan

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Yup!

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  1. Time Almanac 2001, Page 774.
  2. "Memorandum to the U.S. Government on Religious Violence in the Republic of Georgia," 2001-AUG-29, at: http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/eca/
  3. Keston News Service, news release of 2001-MAR-28.
  4. "Focus on Faith," report on the Jehovah's Witnesses in Georgia; BBC World Service, 2001-AUG-7.
  5. "News Releases: Republic of Georgia," WTS, at: http://www.jw-media.org/
  6. "Will Georgia protect religious freedom?" WTS, at: http://www.jw-media.org/
  7. "Court in Republic of Georgia convicts victims of mob attack on Jehovah's Witnesses," WTS, at: http://www.jw-media.org/
  8. "European Parliament delegation condemns violence against Jehovah's Witnesses in Republic of Georgia," WTS, at: http://www.jw-media.org/
  9. "Mob Attacks Assembly of God Group in Republic of Georgia," Religion Today. Online at: http://www.angelfire.com/co/
  10. "Audiatur et alia pars: Comments on the Keston Institute's Recent Criticism of the Patristic Resistance Movement in the Georgian Orthodox Church," Orthodox Christian Information Center, at: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/resistance/
  11. Mikhail Vignansky, "Georgian Patriarchate Declares War on Sectarians," Human Rights Without Frontiers, at: http://www.hrwf.net/English/georgia99e.html
  12. Steven Lee Myers, "Attacks on Minority Faiths Rise in Post-Soviet Georgia," New York Times, 2002-AUG-17, at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/17/
  13. Douglas Birch, "Keeping the faith, forcefully: Doctrine: Georgian Orthodox worshippers are accused of violent attacks on members of other religious groups that have emerged since the collapse of the Soviet system," 2002-SEP-4, SunSpot.net, at: http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationworld/
Those are just against the JoHos....

I read throughthe bulk of the info, but I still did not see that these actions were perpetuated specifically in the name of Christianity. In fact, this quote appears to contradict that ideal:

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]The Georgian Supreme Court condemned the "acts of vandalism" perpetrated by Mkalavishvili, "and other expressions of religious extremism and intolerance..." The Court called on "all law enforcement structures to take appropriate measures against those persons who place themselves above the law and because of religious motives take it upon themselves [to] execute 'justice.' Such acts are not only illegal, but they also create a serious danger for the public and the State."

This excerpt appears to support the notion that the Georgian SC (and presumably the gvt) do not subscribe to a theological-style form of ruling the nation.
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CDNBear

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OH enlighten me
Here's two real simple ones, so you don't hurt yourself....WWI and WWII.

That's just the tip of the iceburg.

Your silly post only strengthens the opinion that you have so little actual knowledge. Especially about history. You should politely ask Colpy to help you with that.
 
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Here's two real simple ones, so you don't hurt yourself....WWI and WWII.

That's just the tip of the iceburg.

Your silly post only strengthens the opinion that you have so little actual knowledge.

I said that didn't involve racism....
Both those were extremely racist wars.
 

CDNBear

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I said that didn't involve racism....
Both those were extremely racist wars.
Ummm, no, here's what you really said and asked...

People are a bunch of racist morons, has there been a war not motivated by racism ? ?

Neither WWI nor WWII was motivated by racism.

Gawd damn you're funny.

They gave the church immunity.
I'm going to assume that you meant Georgia. Now can you quote me supporting them, that you claimed earlier?
 

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What exactly do you mean by equity? It can be an ambiguous term.
Sorry, my spell check made that word equity, I meant to say equality. And by that I would mean the the law is blind and we are all equal under the law. Or should be at least.

Yes they were.
The Nazi's believed their Aryan race superior which gave them allowance to trample all over Europe.
Seriously, ask Colpy for help, you need it.

These were the best wars you could think of ?
I didn't want to burn out your simplistic capabilities.
 
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The difference is the United States does
not have government issuing decrees to cut peoples faces etc.

That makes the state officially barbaric.
You must have missed all the sh*t at Abu Grahib, Guantanamo Bay, handing over prisoners in Iraq to people that will torture and maim, and even the 'official' position of the US that waterboarding is a good thing.

OK, so everyone but me has universally agreed that this kind of thing is wrong. I know you all want to have this "Islam vs. West" debate for the 100th time, so should I not bother hoping someone will try to explore the real question further? I don't see anyone explaining why an "eye for an eye" attitude towards punishment in unjust.

Because then most of the planet winds up blind or dead. It is also how we set ourselves against the criminals and cruel, immoral people.

No, because the preferred outcome would have been to take Osama alive and serve justice by deciding his punishment with due course. Once Osama resisted the orders were to kill him. Were not going to leave him there, and we're not going to wait for the Pakistani army to attack. Therefore killing Osama right then and there became the closest means of justice we could get for the 3000 people he cremated. Justice, not revenge.

So you believe that a 70ish, unarmed man who suffers from acute renal disease resisted arrest to the point they had no option but to shoot him 3 times in the head at close range? Are the navy seals that big a bunch of pussies that one old man can resist 24 young, well trained, special forces soldiers? You really need to look closer at the propaganda you are spreading and just how ludicrous it is.
Even Obama himself said at first it was a 'kill mission'.
 

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Because then most of the planet winds up blind or dead.

How do you figure?

Sorry, my spell check made that word equity, I meant to say equality. And by that I would mean the the law is blind and we are all equal under the law. Or should be at least.

OK, so equality, fairness and protecting individual rights. The first two are kinda the ways the justice should behave and protecting individual rights is what it should do. So how should the justice system protect individual rights?

I'm just trying to find out what your position is on this. I like to avoid assuming people's positions.
 

PoliticalNick

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How do you figure?

Well say someone kills my son and then in a revenge style of justice I, kill them. Would it not by your logic then be justice by revenge for their family kills me and my family kills them for that same revenge and so on, and so on.

Justice is not about revenge and retribution, that would only lead to anarchy of the worst kind.
 

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Well say someone kills my son and then in a revenge style of justice I, kill them. Would it not by your logic then be justice by revenge for their family kills me and my family kills them for that same revenge and so on, and so on.

Why would the third killing in your scenario be justice? I'm not seeing it, even though you claim it's my logic. Maybe it's your logic. Could you explain?
 

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Why would the third killing in your scenario be justice? I'm not seeing it, even though you claim it's my logic. Maybe it's your logic. Could you explain?
I interpret the eye for an eye mentality as justified retribution and view it as an entirely personal approach to justice. So even if a murder is state sanctioned through capital punishment there will still be reasons for personal retribution. It is not a pick and choose issue, once you start to allow the personal will of the victim into the law it becomes easily applicable to all. You will rarely find a family member of a capital punishment recipient that doesn't feel like they are a victim themselves and would therefore be justified in assuming they are entitled to retribution if that is what justice has become.