Invasion of Canada

EagleSmack

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Towed 155's... talk about WWII!

Load bearing vests are nothing new. Load bearing is basically distributing the gear equally around your body. We had load bear vests and web gear in the 80's. Canteens at your butt with a first aid kit in between, ammo mag pouches in front. The bottom line is your shoulders bear the equally distributed weight.

Your boots are cuter than ours.
 

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Canadian Plan to Domainte the USA.

Ok surprise attack of most of our forces into NY state.. they'd never expect it. At the same time we'd have to have alliances with most of the nations around the world. While this is happening. Russia attacks Alaska and takes it no real problems and goes threw Canada to both defeand our border and to attack the cent and western states. Mexico pulls a Canada and attacks up into New Mexico and all the states which were annexed by the USA. Cuba would use it's sizable force (for it's size) and attacks florida. Then we all wait for China or India to send over at least another million troops for us as re-enforcements to help push the Canadian, Russian, Cuban Mexican armiries into American terrortory. It works, well at least in a Civ 3 mod I made once. =-D
 

Hank C

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Re: RE: Invasion of Canada

Mogz said:
from what I have read Australia depsite its significantly smaller population spends more money on their military than Canada does.......but I guess if we had a draft we would have more manpower.

That was once true, however since 2003 there has been a steady increase in the amount of money spent on the Canadian Forces. Last fiscal year (2005) the Canadian Government spent in the neighbourhood of $14 Billion on defence, while for the same period the Australian Defence Force only received $10 Billion. The Australians are planning to boost their annual defence spending to around $15 Billion, however despite talks no gears have been put in motion to realocate the funding. As for Canada, the CF has been allocated for the 2006 fiscal year a $5 Billion hike in funding, with an additional $7 Billion in the following year, placing Canada's defence spending at around $26 Billion by the end of 2007. This is a result of a renewed interest by the Canadian public in the welfare of it's soldiers, sailors, and airmen. Hopefully this trend will continue and additional funds will be funneled to the Forces. As for a draft I highly doubt our nation will ever see one of those put in to effect. We went through three major conflicts during the 20th Century and never instituted a draft/conscription (although plans were layed at the end of World War II).

The only reason Australia spends more money per capita is because they know what it is like to be invaded. Ever since Darwin was attacked they've been more aware of external threats.

As I pointed out above the CF currently receives more funding per annum than the ADF does. Granted this is a recent swing in the CFs favor. With regard to Australia being invaded/occupied, that wouldn't be such an easy task consideing:

A. How large their nation is
B. How spread out their major centres are

Yes a nation could invaded Australia, but could they occupy it? No.

Canadians love to put down their military, yet when plans are put into place to beef it up, we complain about the cost.

That trend is slowly changing for the better. Since we invaded Afghanistan in 2001 along with the U.S. people have gained a certain curiosity about our Forces. While support has always been large in the West, the East is now becoming more involved in the welfare of the CF. Take for example the new equipment Canada has been receiving since 2002, an entirely restructured fighting system that goes from new combat uniforms to load bearing vests (that the U.S. and Britain envy), to new boots (that are cammo), to an all gortex clothing system. Couple that with a new installment of weapons and vehicles; C7A2s, G-Wagons, M777 towed 155mm Howitzers, and Naylas and you've got the makings for an utterly reformed military. Yes people still poke fun at the Forces, but they base their jokes upon the ways things were in the late 90s. The CF is utterly reformed both in a physical and tactical sense.

New Canadian Forces CADPAT Boot

Thanks for the information, I was looking at stats from 2003 that showed Canada expenditures as under 10 billion. Know of any good websites?
 

EagleSmack

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Finder said:
Canadian Plan to Domainte the USA.

Ok surprise attack of most of our forces into NY state.. they'd never expect it. At the same time we'd have to have alliances with most of the nations around the world. While this is happening. Russia attacks Alaska and takes it no real problems and goes threw Canada to both defeand our border and to attack the cent and western states. Mexico pulls a Canada and attacks up into New Mexico and all the states which were annexed by the USA. Cuba would use it's sizable force (for it's size) and attacks florida. Then we all wait for China or India to send over at least another million troops for us as re-enforcements to help push the Canadian, Russian, Cuban Mexican armiries into American terrortory. It works, well at least in a Civ 3 mod I made once. =-D

This plan would work fairly easy. Especially the Cuban and Mexican part. The Cubans could build a massive fleet of floating 55 Chevys and land in Florida. The first target would naturally be Disney World as that is the center of US Culture and Learning.

Then the 124 Mexican Armored Division ( nicknamed "The Hard Shelled Tacos"), 34th Special Forces Unit (aka The Supreme Nachos), the 54 Submarine Squadron (aka The Seafood Fajitas) would make quick work of all US Defenses.
 

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" I was looking at stats from 2003 that showed Canada expenditures as under 10 billion"

Don't forget to not equate quantity of spending with quality of return.
 

Mogz

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Towed 155's... talk about WWII!

Load bearing vests are nothing new. Load bearing is basically distributing the gear equally around your body. We had load bear vests and web gear in the 80's. Canteens at your butt with a first aid kit in between, ammo mag pouches in front. The bottom line is your shoulders bear the equally distributed weight.

Your boots are cuter than ours.

Towed arty is hardly WW II there Eagle. COnsider that the vast majority of South Koreas artillery defence is dug-in towed howitzers. We bought the towed 155s from the U.S. Eagle, a weapon system the use extensivly in Iraq...furthermore we have self-propelled 155s, the M109A4. However we aquired towed guns so we could dig them in as static gun emplacements. What makes more sense, digging in a towed gun or a tracked gun? Canada has 14 M777s dug-in at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan, something a lot more practical than flying over heavy, mobile, guns that have the same range with the intent of leaving them burried in dirt for 9 months.

I never have claimed load bearing vests were new. In fact this is our 2nd generation vest. Also I don't need a lecture on the dynamics of a tactial vest. The fact of the matter is that our vests are both more comfortable and multifaceted than U.S. or British equipment (as decreed by members of the U.S. 101st Airborne, and 45 Royal Marine Commando). Take in to account our load bearing vests have slots/pouches for:

4x Magazines
4x Grenades
2x Field dressings
1x C9 LMG Ammo box
2x Multi purpose pouches
Flashlight
Canteen
Bayonet
Maps


Those are the base pouches. With our smallpack system you can attach additional pouches to the sides/back of the best allowing you to carry more. In fact I have a pouch attached to the small of my vests' back in which I carry raingear (top and bottom), socks, gortex socks, foot powder, and has the room for 24 hours rations).

Lastly, the boot issues isn't about "cutenesS" it's about enhanced concealment. Believe it or not, a flatblack boot stands out in the woods, hence why nations (including the U.S.) have begun making extensive use of rifle cam to breakup the flatblack.

The whole reason for my post in regards to this equipment wasn't intended to deem Canada as having groundbreaking equipment. My point was to highlight the fact that finally we're getting the equipment we've been needing for decades.

Ok surprise attack of most of our forces into NY state.. they'd never expect it. At the same time we'd have to have alliances with most of the nations around the world. While this is happening. Russia attacks Alaska and takes it no real problems and goes threw Canada to both defeand our border and to attack the cent and western states. Mexico pulls a Canada and attacks up into New Mexico and all the states which were annexed by the USA. Cuba would use it's sizable force (for it's size) and attacks florida. Then we all wait for China or India to send over at least another million troops for us as re-enforcements to help push the Canadian, Russian, Cuban Mexican armiries into American terrortory. It works, well at least in a Civ 3 mod I made once.

In order for us to fire most of our forces in to NY State we'd have to relocate 1 CMBG from Alberta. However any attack directly on NY State would fail due to the presence of Fort Drum, the home of the U.S. 10th Mountain Division.
 

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I'm beginning to believe Mogz is in military espionage, either that, or I have just have fallen in love with his avatar and believe anything he says :p
 

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Well what pushes my buttons is when you say that the Canadian Vest has the US Military in awe. The bottom line is making the equipment that is on the load bearing vest lighter. We naturally can't make ammo lighter or water but all armed forces use load bearing equipment. May I ask what makes the Canadian vest superior than the American as far as load bearing?

The US has not used black boots for years. When I was in we were issued black boots but now they issue Gortex boots to all Marines. Black leather boots are history and good ridens to them as they were not efficient at all. When I fought in Panama we were issued Vietnam era Jungle Boots which were slightly better than all leather boots. The Gortex boots they use today are more superior. Plus you don't have to polish them and that was a pain when you were in garrison.

Maybe as a Marine I don't like the idea of digging in at all but I do see the need for static defense in certain situations. As long as you are not digging in for an extended period of time. Mobile arty is more self sustained than a fixed arty unit.
 

EagleSmack

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Re: RE: Invasion of Canada

Gerald24 said:
WoW, this must be whats left of the Has been Liberal Website.

I have noticed that in the past few months the air of Canadian Content has changed.

Does anyone know what brought on this change?

It does seem a bit more open to discussions without too much of the close mindedness that once permeated this forum.

I like the change and hope that I have not spoken too soon.
 

EagleSmack

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Re: RE: Invasion of Canada

I think not said:
EagleSmack said:
I have noticed that in the past few months the air of Canadian Content has changed.

Does anyone know what brought on this change?

Link

That was a great read.

Thanks ITN.

It is so incredible to have moderators that are unbiased. I remember being threatened with banishment and being told that the Rev gets more consideration (leeway) in his posts than I will.

I left for a bit and came back to this NEW and GREAT forum.

Thanks to the New Moderators and you have my support and admiration.

JOB WELL DONE
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Re: RE: Invasion of Canada

EagleSmack said:
I left for a bit and came back to this NEW and GREAT forum.

Thanks to the New Moderators and you have my support and admiration.

JOB WELL DONE

Well, thank you EagleSmack, and welcome back to the forum. I look forward to your participation. :D
 

Hank C

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Re: RE: Invasion of Canada

EagleSmack said:
I have noticed that in the past few months the air of Canadian Content has changed.

Does anyone know what brought on this change?

It does seem a bit more open to discussions without too much of the close mindedness that once permeated this forum.

I like the change and hope that I have not spoken too soon.

yes, it has changed for the better. Before a few "ultra-liberals" controlled who was in and who was out. Actually I was kicked 3 times before I was outright banned. To this day I still don't know exactaly why I was banned but I have forgiven and forgotten.
 

Mogz

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Well what pushes my buttons is when you say that the Canadian Vest has the US Military in awe. The bottom line is making the equipment that is on the load bearing vest lighter. We naturally can't make ammo lighter or water but all armed forces use load bearing equipment. May I ask what makes the Canadian vest superior than the American as far as load bearing?

The US has not used black boots for years. When I was in we were issued black boots but now they issue Gortex boots to all Marines. Black leather boots are history and good ridens to them as they were not efficient at all. When I fought in Panama we were issued Vietnam era Jungle Boots which were slightly better than all leather boots. The Gortex boots they use today are more superior. Plus you don't have to polish them and that was a pain when you were in garrison.

Maybe as a Marine I don't like the idea of digging in at all but I do see the need for static defense in certain situations. As long as you are not digging in for an extended period of time. Mobile arty is more self sustained than a fixed arty unit.

*Sigh* another American out of his element.

Ok, first off, I didn't deem this vest better. I personally love it, but the people who did deem it better are members of your military Eagle. They deemed it better for two reasons they listed to me:

1. Greater carrying ability as opposed to their own vests
2. Adjustable ribbing that allows load weight to be removed from the shoulders and evenly dispersed across the whole torso. This reduces both shoulder pain and lower back stiffness.

Other than that I have no idea why the Americans I worked with liked it so much, perhaps it looked prety to them? I will admit fine, I embellished, perhaps not all Americans are in awe with it. I'm sorry for exagerating.

Yeah uh Eagle every U.S. soldier I have ever seen (not in a desert capacity) wears black boots, regardless of the style.:



In regards to gortex, yeah we've got them too...they're black.



As for your last point, we have both towed and self-propelled 155mm howitzers. As I mentioned we aquired towed for our expanding role in 'Ghan. They're not a World War II era weapon, they're still widely used and in some cases more effective than self-propelled.
 

Mogz

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Thanks for the information, I was looking at stats from 2003 that showed Canada expenditures as under 10 billion. Know of any good websites?

Sorry, missed this Hank. I snagged my info from the CBC website, try doing a search there. Also you could try wikipedia, but i'm sometimes dubious of data contributed by the average joe :)
 

Mogz

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I'm beginning to believe Mogz is in military espionage, either that, or I have just have fallen in love with his avatar and believe anything he says

Espionage? Hardly, i'm a ground pounder. As for my avatar, that was my plan all along bud. Show up one day with a 1/2 naked avatar and bend everyone to my will ;)
 

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Hahaha!

Seriously though, in terms of an invasion of Canada, I would doubt that it would ever come to that; how could they possibly justify such an invasion on the world stage? Liberate us from our pesky democratic Parliament? Save us from the tyranny of the Governor General? What possible excuse could they have?