Indigenous groups disappointed by lack of invite to first ministers' meeting

taxslave

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I'm confused. So far as I know none of the native leaders are Premiers so why would they exspect to be invited to a first ministers conference?
 

bill barilko

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The simple fact is that while so called 'First Nations' concerns make for good television (a contradiction in terms I know) the problems of a small minority of ex stone-agers doesn't amount to a dry fart in a windstorm for the average Canadian-nor should they.
 

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I do know one or two things about Liberal gatherings,acess is not always for the working class,and evidently other sectors of our society as we are witnessing,I imagine Liberal gatherings are under the direction of old stock,who do not recognize it is a different world from the 1980's.To attend Liberal gatherings of any significance one must have alot of cash,a law degree or a meal ticket friend,I can imagine it would be even more difficult for recognition.
regardless,I think it was a smart strategic move for aboriginals to be present,name their agendas,and strut their stuff,this is what politics is all about,"let them all know before one arrives so the lobbying can begin".
Brillant move,great leadership,
possibly other repersentatives could make some smart strategic moves,such as the RCMP association
 

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I do know one or two things about Liberal gatherings,acess is not always for the working class,and evidently other sectors of our society as we are witnessing,I imagine Liberal gatherings are under the direction of old stock,who do not recognize it is a different world from the 1980's.To attend Liberal gatherings of any significance one must have alot of cash,a law degree or a meal ticket friend,I can imagine it would be even more difficult for recognition.
regardless,I think it was a smart strategic move for aboriginals to be present,name their agendas,and strut their stuff,this is what politics is all about,"let them all know before one arrives so the lobbying can begin".
Brillant move,great leadership,
possibly other repersentatives could make some smart strategic moves,such as the RCMP association


This isn't a "Liberal" gathering. It's a First Ministers Meeting. You do know what that is, right? Or are you, once again, showing your ignorance and commenting on something you don't have a clue about.
 

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JT should have just given them an e-mail address and paid their internet bill for a year by not showing up in person in an area with more loaded guns than people money would have been saved as I doubt we leave him in charge of that detail. He looked more comfortable with Indians in the clips I have seen that unemployed whitey from AB. A few words in front of the cameras does nothing as far as actually tackling some issue.
This is what 'uncomfortable' looks like.

I'm confused. So far as I know none of the native leaders are Premiers so why would they exspect to be invited to a first ministers conference?
The Court in Ottawa hears the last appeal in any Treaty case so that would make them under Federal authority when it is all said and done. Who picks up their legal fees would be another indication who has the last word. (the other party can be the monitoring one that sees the things are followed through on. There are no Canadians at the end of the tax year.
Does that help, it did fuk all except make me a bit dizzy. Maybe that is what it is supposed to do.
Come up with a plan to market the smoke house to a rich international clientele and it would make more money that legalizing medical pot would. Interesting, . . . I should probably say no more.
 

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I'm confused. So far as I know none of the native leaders are Premiers so why would they exspect to be invited to a first ministers conference?
Because resources and the environment are to be the hot topics. Both involve First Nations to great extent.

And letus no forget JT's promise of Nation to Nation.

I do know one or two things about Liberal gatherings,acess is not always for the working class,and evidently other sectors of our society as we are witnessing,I imagine Liberal gatherings are under the direction of old stock,who do not recognize it is a different world from the 1980's.To attend Liberal gatherings of any significance one must have alot of cash,a law degree or a meal ticket friend,I can imagine it would be even more difficult for recognition.
It's so nice when people who defend JT finally admit exactly what core Liberals stand for

This isn't a "Liberal" gathering. It's a First Ministers Meeting. You do know what that is, right? Or are you, once again, showing your ignorance and commenting on something you don't have a clue about.
A little bit of both, but shush, she's tearing apart the Liberals nicely, lol.
 

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Because resources and the environment are to be the hot topics. Both involve First Nations to great extent.

And letus no forget JT's promise of Nation to Nation.

It's so nice when people who defend JT finally admit exactly what core Liberals stand for

A little bit of both, but shush, she's tearing apart the Liberals nicely, lol.

If the FN groups got it together and lobbied the sh1t out of the UN for a decade or so, they could probably get a UN demand that Canada has to treat with them as independent countries. Canada might ignore it but for the most part, Canada has done what they are told by that body.
 

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If the FN groups got it together and lobbied the sh1t out of the UN for a decade or so, they could probably get a UN demand that Canada has to treat with them as independent countries.
The Six Nations tried that with the League of Nations, Britain used it's influence to pressure the Netherlands, Persia, Panama, Estonia and the Republic of Ireland who all supported formal consideration of their application, to remove their support. Leaving Duncan Scott free to make his case against their application, without the Haudenosaunee present to state their case or defend their position.

Which is why are all these years of doing the same at the UN, they're still in the same boat.

Did you that the Haudenosaunee used their own passport for international travel, until a few years ago, when new security measures made it unacceptable to the British?

Canada might ignore it but for the most part, Canada has done what they are told by that body.
Hmmmm, no, not really.
 

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This isn't a "Liberal" gathering. It's a First Ministers Meeting. You do know what that is, right? Or are you, once again, showing your ignorance and commenting on something you don't have a clue about.
oh excuse me,i guess i was providing an example that acess can be limited by design so very easily,i should have stressed that from the beginning,
access is all about the design.
 

gerryh

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oh excuse me,i guess i was providing an example that acess can be limited by design so very easily,i should have stressed that from the beginning,
access is all about the design.


Of course access is limited, it's a First Fu cking Ministers meeting. If they want a meeting with the various Premiers and the PM, then they can set that up. Whining about not being allowed into a meeting that no one is allowed into except the First Ministers and the PM (and their support staff)is absolutely asinine and shows their ignorance AND their agenda.
 

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Jorge Barrera reports on the Trudeau Libs' dishonest approach to First Nations, as they're publicly stating a commitment to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples while going out of its way to give effect to its terms.

Two months after Indigenous Affairs Minister Carolyn Bennett declared to the world that Canada was fully embracing the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the most senior official in her department told underlings the international document would not be guiding planned consultations with First Nations, Inuit and Metis, according to an internal email.

Indigenous Affairs deputy minister Helene Laurendeau told her senior adviser that the government “may not consult specifically on UNDRIP” during consultations with Indigenous groups and the provinces, according to the email obtained through the Access to Information Act by NDP MP Romeo Saganash’s office.

Saganash said the email reveals the Liberal government is playing a double game with UNDRIP, saying one thing publicly, but planning something differently internally. He said it shows the Liberals have no plans to implement UNDRIP.

“The Liberal government is like a double-headed beast speaking lies out of one mouth and their sleazy intentions out of the other,” said Saganash, who has tabled a private member’s bill to harmonize federal laws with UNDRIP.

The quoted passage from Trudeau’s speech referred to Bennett’s UNDRIP announcement at the UN from May 2016 along with prime minister’s announcement that Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould would lead the work on implementing the declaration.

Saganash said the Liberals persistent talk on consultation when it comes to matters of rights betrays their true intentions.

“As with the Charter, there is no duty to consult on whether to respect or not the UN declaration and the fundamental human rights it enshrines,” said Saganash. “These are stalling tactics from a government that lacks the integrity to make substantial and meaningful changes to colonial policies regarding Indigenous peoples.”