In which reference frame the Higgs boson was found ?
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If you don't get the Higgs Boson, this link might helpful. It has an easy to understand example using George Clooney and lots of pictures...
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Physics World: Planning the world's next collider
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/2012/jul/26/planning-the-worlds-next-collider
Comment.
The Sad Truth
If you cannot resolve the vacuum energy crisis,
if you cannot explain the fine structure constant,
if you cannot identify the dark matter,
if you cannot predict the masses of fundamental particles,
if you cannot explain why galaxies exist, or come in radically
different flavors like ellipticals and spirals,
then you do not know diddely-squat about the cosmos.
High-energy physicists are making it up as they go.
Here's a nice example: If you cannot find a free quark,
make it a "law" that they are hidden inside other particles (just so!).
It's all Ptolemaic epicycles in high-energy physics,
no matter how vociferously they sell it to a credulous public.
Robert L. Oldershaw
Discrete Scale Relativity
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/2012/jul/26/planning-the-worlds-next-collider
Comment.
The Sad Truth
If you cannot resolve the vacuum energy crisis,
if you cannot explain the fine structure constant,
if you cannot identify the dark matter,
if you cannot predict the masses of fundamental particles,
if you cannot explain why galaxies exist, or come in radically
different flavors like ellipticals and spirals,
then you do not know diddely-squat about the cosmos.
High-energy physicists are making it up as they go.
Here's a nice example: If you cannot find a free quark,
make it a "law" that they are hidden inside other particles (just so!).
It's all Ptolemaic epicycles in high-energy physics,
no matter how vociferously they sell it to a credulous public.
Robert L. Oldershaw
Discrete Scale Relativity
‘ In which reference frame the Higgs boson was found ? ‘
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Comment by Gary
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Hi Israel,
THAT is an excellent question. As members of this board,
we understand that there is no absolute reference frame.
But quantum mechanics assumes there is. I believe QM
is wrong in that respect. If the Higgs existed in an absolute
frame, then rest mass would vary with its speed relative
to that frame because of the Higgs field.
The same problem exists with virtual particles. The average
momentum of all those particles popping in and out of existence
must be zero, yes? So how could an observer in another frame
see virtual particles with zero average momentum, too?
There aren't any easy solutions to these problems.
Gary
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Comment by Gary
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Hi Israel,
THAT is an excellent question. As members of this board,
we understand that there is no absolute reference frame.
But quantum mechanics assumes there is. I believe QM
is wrong in that respect. If the Higgs existed in an absolute
frame, then rest mass would vary with its speed relative
to that frame because of the Higgs field.
The same problem exists with virtual particles. The average
momentum of all those particles popping in and out of existence
must be zero, yes? So how could an observer in another frame
see virtual particles with zero average momentum, too?
There aren't any easy solutions to these problems.
Gary
Internet:
is higgs boson dark matter,
is higgs boson antimatter,
is higgs boson a graviton
Speculations, Speculations, Speculations , . . . .
I wrote my opinion about LHC in 2008.
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- The mad CERN’s way.
14 Sep 2008 16:14 GMT
by Israel Sadovnik Socratus
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project
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- The mad CERN’s way.
14 Sep 2008 16:14 GMT
by Israel Sadovnik Socratus
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project
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Why are you posting other forums here?
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Personally i think the whole Cosmological structure.. the 'Standard Model' of superstrings, multiple dimensions and universes, dark matter, dark energy, dark flow.. Higgs bosuns and all manner of exotic minutia.. and quantum mechanics itself.. will collapse sometime in the 21st Century.
You cannot name one practical technology that has developed from the standard cosmological model since the end of the WW2. It is all founded on elegant mathematical formulations.. far too aesthetically pleasing to be subject to empirical experiment. It's become a philosophy. Without technological progress.. science loses its fundamental inspiration.
It in fact closely resemble Oswald Spengler's prediction (in Decline of the West) that science in disintegrating civilization would increasingly assert itself'number forms'.. abandon their proofs and utilities.. and manifest boundless belief systems.
You cannot name one practical technology that has developed from the standard cosmological model since the end of the WW2. It is all founded on elegant mathematical formulations.. far too aesthetically pleasing to be subject to empirical experiment. It's become a philosophy. Without technological progress.. science loses its fundamental inspiration.
It in fact closely resemble Oswald Spengler's prediction (in Decline of the West) that science in disintegrating civilization would increasingly assert itself'number forms'.. abandon their proofs and utilities.. and manifest boundless belief systems.
Superstrings, multiple dimensions and multiple universes are not standard physics. They are highly speculative and frowned upon by many serious scientists. The evidence for dark matter is overwhelming, dark energy is merely the missing energy which is needed to explain the shape of our universe. You cannot have a functioning computer without quantum mechanics being correct: semi-conductor based transistors are wholly linked to quantum physics.
Literature doesn't produce practical technology either, since the beginning of time in fact. Does that make it worthless? As for the rest of your allegations: you are wrong, and what can be asserted without evidence can so be denied.
You might as well deny that gravity exists. Not that I expect any of this to get through to you.
Quantum Physics cannot collapse.
It is correct.
The practical technology success shows its correctness
and importance in our life.
But the Philosophy of Quantum Theory is abstract.
Why?
Because the basis is wrong.
If we take for basis T=0K then the Quantum Theory
became clear and logical.
T=0K eh? You should read up on the third law of thermodynamics. You are going to love that one.
I like these quotes:
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" The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
/ Paul Dirac ./
2.
The most fundamental question facing 21st century physics will be:
What is the vacuum? As quantum mechanics teaches us, with
its zero point energy this vacuum is not empty and the word
vacuum is a gross misnomer!
/ Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg /
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Although we are used to thinking of empty space as containing
nothing at all, and therefore having zero energy, the quantum
rules say that there is some uncertainty about this. Perhaps each
tiny bit of the vacuum actually contains rather a lot of energy.
If the vacuum contained enough energy, it could convert this
into particles, in line with E-Mc^2.
/ Book: Stephen Hawking. Pages 147-148.
By Michael White and John Gribbin. /
4.
‘ All kinds of electromagnetic waves ( including light’s)
spread in vacuum . . . . thanks to the vacuum, to the specific
ability of empty space these electromagnetic waves can exist.’
/ Book : To what physics was come, page 32. R. K. Utiyama. /
5..
Vacuum -- the very name suggests emptiness and nothingness –
is actually a realm rife with potentiality, courtesy of the laws
of quantum electrodynamics (QED). According to QED,
additional, albeit virtual, particles can be created in the vacuum,
allowing light-light interactions.
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2006/768.html
6.
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-of-everything
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It was several years ago, but i read a book called the The Big Bang Never Happened.. by a physicist and contrarian aimed at a general readership.. which made a pretty powerful case against a lot of the Cosmological structural beams.. which have become ever more complex and bizarre as gaps appear in its pristine simplicity. In fact, some were discarded completely, allowing for 'inflation' and all kinds of unseen elements.. without ever going back and questioning the original premises.
The author was looking for other explanations like Hans Alfvens proposals of a filamentary universe. Not being a scientist.. or in anyway science oriented myself.. i still see huge problems when theories are floated the can NEVER be proven.. such a multiple dimensions and universes.. or such concepts as 'uncertainty' or 'progression' of time. Those things really do move into the realm of philosophy.. and i would propose.. fantasy. Certainly if the Big Bang never happened.. then the scientific framework of Dark Matter and related theories collapses.
The overriding characteristic of modern physics is it is based on mathematical speculation, not observable phenomenon.
And i'm not sure Quantum Mechanics is responsible for the computer.. it seems to me practical experimental electronics (not to mention chemistry and metallurgy).. has had a separate development from Physics.. since the latter half of the 20th Century.
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