I don't think he considers Catholics are Christians. Too many burnings at the stake.
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I'm conflicted about the Bible. Will you discuss it with me?
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Whoa, slow down- you can't tar EVERYTHING with the same brush. Things like honesty, reliability, generosity, kindness don't go out of style! :smile:
So I've heard, the case is most strongly made in Romans and Galatians. The opposite case can be made from NT scripture too. Matthew 5:18, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Luke 16:17,"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Interestingly, the verse right before that latter one, Luke 16:16, makes the opposite claim, that the laws applied only up until the time of John the Baptist.
At least they shouldn't, but looking around at the state of the world lately I have to wonder a bit. But we don't get those from the Bible anyway, if those things weren't innate in human nature we wouldn't have lasted long enough for the Bible to be written, evolution would have taken us out long ago. Religious justifications for ethics and morality are just post facto rationalizations for existing conditions, not original ideas.
You can cherry pick scripture to make the case either way.
The flood story was also borrowed from the walls of Babylon that happened centuries before.
There were also previous civilizations that had fire stories and so on. The spiritual side of
people and the actual side of people are different.
The fact is religion has become and instrument of the State. It is a tool to keep people in line.
Even gangsters of old Italy believed in God and what might happen if they went too far.
Another thing that I have thought about is there are many really bad bastards out there that
do believe in God and if they didn't we would not be safe to sleep in our beds.
Stories, and legends were the illustrations of Christ's teaching. After all many who followed him
could neither read nor write so publishing texts for the masses would be pointless, and
unworkable. The core beliefs of honesty and so on are not limited to believers or any one
religion. They are the articles of a social contract we are supposed to share with one another.
I know many who don't believe in God who are very moral and honest and they would bend
over backwards to help anyone.
I also know some devout Christian folk who I wouldn't trust alone to park my car.
Religion is a personal thing, do I believe every world as fundamental fact? No Because it was
not meant to be. Do I believe there are some valuable things to be learned in the Bible? Yes
but one should not live by the book alone, live is to be lived not read about.
There were also previous civilizations that had fire stories and so on. The spiritual side of
people and the actual side of people are different.
The fact is religion has become and instrument of the State. It is a tool to keep people in line.
Even gangsters of old Italy believed in God and what might happen if they went too far.
Another thing that I have thought about is there are many really bad bastards out there that
do believe in God and if they didn't we would not be safe to sleep in our beds.
Stories, and legends were the illustrations of Christ's teaching. After all many who followed him
could neither read nor write so publishing texts for the masses would be pointless, and
unworkable. The core beliefs of honesty and so on are not limited to believers or any one
religion. They are the articles of a social contract we are supposed to share with one another.
I know many who don't believe in God who are very moral and honest and they would bend
over backwards to help anyone.
I also know some devout Christian folk who I wouldn't trust alone to park my car.
Religion is a personal thing, do I believe every world as fundamental fact? No Because it was
not meant to be. Do I believe there are some valuable things to be learned in the Bible? Yes
but one should not live by the book alone, live is to be lived not read about.
Who is "We?" Would We actually be you?
Torn? True agnostics can't remain agnostics for long? If they couldn't, then
maybe they weren't true agnostics, always questing and open to knowledge
from all directions, if they have to stop questing and being open to knowledge
after a short time. I'll have to think about that for another 40yrs or so and get
back to you on that one, as I haven't settled on an answer just yet.
Question their ability to reason (?) and they must be mental zombies (?) not to
button themselves down to one sect of one religion or belief system, if any at all?
No bias there Brother. I'm laughing with you, not at you. That was good. :lol:
Nope. My wife is agnostic and has been for some 30+ years. She's not torn, she's just undecided. That leaves her extremely open-minded and waiting for something conclusive.
How so?
My wife does tend to lean to the atheist side but again, she is simply uncertain about conclusions.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
agnosticism - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
I'm atheist. There is exactly 0 proof of gods. In the absence of proof, I lean on probabilities, and the probabilities of there being gods is extremely small and diminishing even further in the face of science. Oh, and BTW, I do believe in lots of things, just not the things that religions are based upon.
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Well, you could begin by responding to my views regarding Creation, Hell, Christ, etc. If you think I'm wrong about them, explain.
Excellent point Karrie, I consider myself Christian in that I TRY to do unto other as I would have done unto me. Now what I would say to them is he/she/they should mind their own business, keep their interpretations to themselves (after they've voiced it once, as no one likes to see sawdust resawn) and don't try to judge other peoples religious persuasions. And DON'T bother explaining the Bible to us, I had it explained to me 60 years ago.
And WHY would your views warrant explanation from us who DON'T give a rat's ass?
Religion is the favorite subject of both Atheists and religious nuts...(go figure):roll:
And I have yet to see either one change their view in a forum.....
Both keep dancing the same endless dance which seems silly to those of us that take faith as a rather personal thing :smile:
And I have yet to see either one change their view in a forum.....
Both keep dancing the same endless dance which seems silly to those of us that take faith as a rather personal thing :smile:
There is that saying that "People who do things over and over the same way and expect different results are idiots" :lol:
I did, and you ignored. So, I have you now placed you in the whining troll catagory.
Just for my own information, how many people do you meet that do not end up there? (out of every 10)