Ignore Dat Ass?

Tecumsehsbones

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Ski said something I found to be a fresh breath of ordinary wisdom. . .
When addressing or talking about the person, if I know their "preffered pronoun" in advance I will use it (unless it is they -- in that case I will use their proper name). If I don't know the pronoun I make an educated guess. If I get it wrong, I apologize and adjust. Life it too short to worry about pronouns or get offended by them.
Makes sense to me. If a person presents publicly as a male in dress, hairstyle, and all those identifying social cues, I'll call that person by masculine pronouns unless and until corrected by somebody who knows what they're talking about, at which point I'll apologize (not because I did anything wrong, but as a social balm) and switch pronouns.

But let's take that a step further. Is it wrong to assume that a person in a dance club in an ultra-short spandex dress is at least open to an advance with sexual overtones? Is it wrong to make such an advance, or is it only wrong to persist after having been told directly that person is not interested in your sorry ass?

Further nuance. . . a person in the grocery store in leggings that leave nothing to the imagination and an almost-illegally-brief crop top or sports bra. OK, if such a person is in the gym, that's functional and you should chill. But in the grocery store?

Clothing is, and has always been, far more about who and what you are and want than about protection from the elements or bumps and bruises. Even purely functional work clothing makes a statement if one is not at work. There are a million ways to "dress down" and make the statement that you're not trying to make a statement. And a billion ways to make your clothes a billboard with commonly-understood meanings.

If you dress in a way that says "I'm looking for a person to spend the night with" to the common cultural understanding, do you have any business being offended by a reasonably-polite-under-the-circumstances approach? At the moment, I'm only looking at the first approach. After that, the permutations explode into the trillions.

But just as Ski said, do you have any business getting "offended" at an honest and reasonable mistake? Are we now obligated to "assume nothing" in the face of a myriad social cues that have always had generally-understood meanings?
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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If you dress provocatively getting advances should be expected. It shouldn't be an issue for the first attempt. After that it becomes stalking. I also would say that they should not be offended by people looking even if they are not advancing. It's only natural. It's only an issue if your wife (or husband) catches you.
 

Ron in Regina

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Saturday as we where on our way to a Funeral, we passed a guy (let’s just assume that this guy self identifies as a guy at this point) on the sidewalk with a full bushy beard, a short dress (with flowers on it) and knee-high white socks with those Adidas stripes on them like 40 years ago.

At this point I can’t recall the footwear or the jacket, but I do recall thinking that was a pretty chilly way to dress on April 1st in Saskatchewan. It was April fools day…and about 1:30pm in the afternoon, and it was kinda nice out for Saskatchewan. I was still wearing longjohns under my dress pants.

As we passed this guy (again assuming, etc…), I commented to my significant other, “Well, that’s an interesting fashion statement” and she replied back, “Yes it sure is.” That was the end of the conversation about that. It’s only this morning that it dawned on me that it was April fools day at the time, and I have no idea if the date had a bearing on the uniform (if uniform is the correct term)?

It was as if someone was trying to dress a Scotsman on a budget from value Village, and couldn’t find anything plaid. Then we quickly forgot about the dude because the funeral started at 2 PM. These are some weird and interesting times we live in.
 

petros

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Saturday as we where on our way to a Funeral, we passed a guy (let’s just assume that this guy self identifies as a guy at this point) on the sidewalk with a full bushy beard, a short dress (with flowers on it) and knee-high white socks with those Adidas stripes on them like 40 years ago.

At this point I can’t recall the footwear or the jacket, but I do recall thinking that was a pretty chilly way to dress on April 1st in Saskatchewan. It was April fools day…and about 1:30pm in the afternoon, and it was kinda nice out for Saskatchewan. I was still wearing longjohns under my dress pants.

As we passed this guy (again assuming, etc…), I commented to my significant other, “Well, that’s an interesting fashion statement” and she replied back, “Yes it sure is.” That was the end of the conversation about that. It’s only this morning that it dawned on me that it was April fools day at the time, and I have no idea if the date had a bearing on the uniform (if uniform is the correct term)?

It was as if someone was trying to dress a Scotsman on a budget from value Village, and couldn’t find anything plaid. Then we quickly forgot about the dude because the funeral started at 2 PM. These are some weird and interesting times we live in.
I think we've seen the same person.

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Ron in Regina

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Different guy (assuming, etc…). The one I’m thinking about had head hair the same colour as his beard, looked more fit, and was down in the south end.

The guy we saw looked employable (assumably on the weekdays) as opposed to the one above, though the one you have a picture of is pretty interesting.
 
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Serryah

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As someone who has been mistaken for masculine often, that might be why to me, overall I don't GAF what pronouns are used for me. When people realize, or they hear my name and realize, they're apologetic but I shrug it off and tell them don't worry 'bout it.

But other people aren't so forgiving when it comes to pronouns, especially if they're 'fought four' as it were.

If I had seen Ron's person on the street myself, my instant thought for 'pronoun' is "They". Hell, there's someone in my town that dresses (dressed? don't know if they're here anymore) in dresses and in heels, but looked masculine.

I do know there are some heterosexual guys who dress in dresses cause why not, it's comfortable or it's just cause (or it's to shove it into the face of the gender police).

To TB's point, I'm sure this is where I lose claims to support feminism.

If you are dressing to flaunt it, do not get pissed if you get what it seems you want. We, as a society overall, understand that if you're wearing a skirt that leaves nothing to imagination, you're not wearing it "just cause".

But a woman also shouldn't have to be punished, as it were, if she does wear it. If that first presumption is acted upon, and the person says "no" then bud, step back because there's your answer. Take the L. Do not keep pushing the fact she got your dick hard and now you think you're entitled to her goods.

"Clothing is, and has always been, far more about who and what you are and want than about protection from the elements or bumps and bruises. Even purely functional work clothing makes a statement if one is not at work. There are a million ways to "dress down" and make the statement that you're not trying to make a statement. And a billion ways to make your clothes a billboard with commonly-understood meanings."

Absolutely. The issue is in the push to equalize men and women, the whole "Women can wear whatever they want" has turned a lot of that on its head.

"But just as Ski said, do you have any business getting "offended" at an honest and reasonable mistake?"

If the person does, they're an asshole. Unless of course the person who made the mistake truly didn't know.

"Are we now obligated to "assume nothing" in the face of a myriad social cues that have always had generally-understood meanings?"

Honest answer? Absolutely. In the end, it's safer to assume nothing and see the person in front of you as just a person, unless you know them.
 

petros

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As someone who has been mistaken for masculine often, that might be why to me, overall I don't GAF what pronouns are used for me. When people realize, or they hear my name and realize, they're apologetic but I shrug it off and tell them don't worry 'bout it.
Absolutely. I get called a man almost daily and I just shrug it off even if I was identified as male at birth due to biological standards.
 

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Absolutely. I get called a man almost daily and I just shrug it off even if I was identified as male at birth due to biological standards.
Just can't get anyone to believe you are a giraffe. I think you should sue the government for $10million. Plus costs
 

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gotta share an idea I first thought of long before my time on this forum.

the following however was part of a fb messenger group dialogue maybe a year ago now, and this guy Justin was looking for porno comic ideas. Now I always figured porno would be a lot more entertaining if they lampooned tv commercials of the day 'n stuff, ya know? throw in a comedic element here and there. So I thinks it's kinda pertinent to the thread here, cuz sometimes it's just hard to ingore dat ass, or in this case camel toe! I gotta be honest, as a 'rigid member' I love 'em! but I understand that rights and laws being as they are, there's really not much you can do but ogle the fuckin' things!

anyway, on with it:



speaking of... hey Justin how's the cartoon porno coming along?
if yer still looking for ideas I might have one

Justin
Im listening lol

You sent

well I was just trying to find it looking through past email, because it would save me from having to write it all out again

it's a spoof on vince the slap-chop guy

"yer gonna love my nuts!" ?

yeah, him

what were his other products... sham-wow and?

oh yeah, playing with your shticky... can't remember wtf that was lol

so... new product: the no-toe! just let your imagination run wild while I try to find that email lol

well, damned if I can find it. gonna try searching an old phone. it must be in a texting history somewhere.

well dammit, can't find it anywhere. was hoping I could just copy and paste lol now I gotta S P E L L I T O U T grrrr​

ok the gist of it is Vince does another commercial to flog his latest gimmick, the no-toe. It's basically a composite, like a flexible sturdy insert for women's under-thingies such that it would render their lovely camel toes indiscernible. let's go with kevlar, they may as well be bullet-proof too! lol

So, opening scene, this hot scantily clad babe, camel-toe leaving zero to the imagination... striding past various construction workers and the like, who are all quite understandably hooting and hollering suggestive and flattering or unflattering comments, depending on your perspective I suppose, along with rude gestures, grabbing their crotches with "I got what you need, right here!", or "hey, come sit on this!", wolf-whistling and cat calling in her genital direction lol and now she's offended at this unwanted, if warranted, attention??

Enter our hero, Vince: "ladies, if you want respect get the no-toe"

lol next scene, same broad, same outfit, same group of workers this time unfazed due the her now sporting the no-toe... and they're all like, "how do you do, ma'am" "lovely day" "top of the mornin' to ya, miss" lol and Vince restating "want respect, get the
no-toe!"

can I get a amen?

tough crowd